Va Beach v20 project

[Destroyer]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:Words are not necessary.

[Kracker Jack]

I mocked the cap up today. Boat looks awesome with the gunwale supports and the cap on. Really has that custom look to it.

[reelapeelin]

I mocked the cap up today. Boat looks awesome with the gunwale supports and the cap on. Really has that custom look to it.
The wide gunwale tops really DO IT!!...I like the old CCs, but yours looks much cleaner and at least appears to have lost some weight...:clap:

[jasoncooperpcola]

Looking good Kracker! I love the looks of the wide gunnel caps.

[Kracker Jack]

I FINALLY FOUND MY POWER TRIM AND TILT BRACKET!!!!!:sun: For only 50 dollars. this was the last item need to put this huge puzzle together.

[Destroyer]

I FINALLY FOUND MY POWER TRIM AND TILT BRACKET!!!!!:sun: For only 50 dollars. this was the last item need to put this huge puzzle together.

Whoot....grats!!!!:clap::clap::clap:

[RidgeRunner]

Looking great.

[bradford]

Love the cap man... She's gonna be SWEET!:beer:

[Kracker Jack]

Love the cap man... She's gonna be SWEET!:beer:

Bradford, yea shes a v20 but a little different!! I cant wait to put her in the water.

[Kracker Jack]

I sanded my cap pieces down today and hot coated and glassed the bottom side. I figured if I glassed most of bottom now it would save me a back ache glassing it in the boat. The next plan of attack is to rough in the returns (Carling,Coaming) on the inboard side of cap, I plan on putting coaming pads all the way around the boat so how low should i make my returns? 4"? 3 1/2"? whats the measurement on the factory returns? or in boat building terms the carling. or some call it the coaming.

[Curapa]

We call them coaming pads, never heard of carling. I would say 5" would be sufficient for most coaming pads. Have you looked into the Seadek pads? I would go that route if I were adding pads to my boat. I have been thinking about adding a pad between the leaning post and console.

http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=79929&pdesc=SeaDek_Coaming_Bolster_Pad_Set&aID=506E3&merchID=4006

[jasoncooperpcola]

I dont know what the heck they were called, but on my 250 Sportsman they were six inches. Thats i plan mine to be when i start the rebuild. I will tell you Kracker watching your build has me itching more and more to start on mine. But i dont want to start cutting until i get a couple loans paid off. I dont want to get ahead of myself. Are you planning to make your own coaming pads? Also why not abort the returns and run open gunnel caps? I seen several boats like that and i liked the look. But if you have to run wiring down the gunnels it can become unsightly. Just a thought.

[Curapa]

If there is any offshore fishing happening on the boat coaming pads are like heaven! The most uncomfortable boat I have ever fished was a 25' Pro Sport, not only were there no pads but but the liner angle was so severe that when you hooked a big fish it felt like it was going to pull you overboard. The knees can only take so much.

[Kracker Jack]

Yea I'm doing my own pads, actually my buddy with Petty Marine is doing them. I'm running LEDS lights and other stuff under my cap so open cap is out of the question. A Carling in marine terms is the horizontal structual band that wraps the inboard side of the cap. The coaming is non structual horizontal "trim band". I had to look it up in a boat building dictionary so don't let seem like I'm some proffesional!!!!! Lol!! Jason wish you lived closer!! Because we would be wacking and jacking on that boat already

[Curapa]

Good to know! Most of the pads I have seen were in the 5-6" range.

[Blue_Runner]

I found some pads on eBay that were a perfect fit for the V21. They say "Palm Beach" on em but I could not care less. Think I paid $53 total including shipping for the pair brand new. They are between 4 & 5 inches. Consider where the pads will be placed and find pads that fit or if you build them then obviously custom fit them.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MBv6Evorz2I/T6Pju3RqsUI/AAAAAAAAAdI/IHac9WilbuQ/s576/0503121836.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

here are some pics from yesterday of me setting up the to cap and structual rail.

[jasoncooperpcola]

Closer and closer every weekend Kracker.

Stopped by a shop and got a quote on the fabric to build my own coaming pads. $35 per yard which is 36''x54''. Does that sound right?

[Kracker Jack]

Closer and closer every weekend Kracker.

Stopped by a shop and got a quote on the fabric to build my own coaming pads. $35 per yard which is 36''x54''. Does that sound right?

What kind of material did you get a price on?

[jasoncooperpcola]

I cant remember the name. But it was heavy marine grade vinyl. Next time i hit Subway for lunch i will drop by and get the name for it as they are next door.

[Kracker Jack]

Ebay has some really good deals on marine vinyl and sunbrella and canvas material.

[bldgengineer]

Just spent the passed 3 and half hours going through your build. Hell of an inspiration!

[Kracker Jack]

Just spent the passed 3 and half hours going through your build. Hell of an inspiration!

I started out not knowing a whole lot about doing a boat build. I have done some soft deck repairs in the past and thats about it. It goes to show that with alot of research and asking questions will get you a long way. The cool thing is that I know enough now to be able to help others onn this site now when in the beginning I was almost lost!!!! lol!!

[bldgengineer]

I've got a bunch of locals pointing me in the direction of some V20s in my price range. I might be asking you a whole lot of questions soon lol ;-) I am hoping for something that's not as big a project though

[Kracker Jack]

I've got a bunch of locals pointing me in the direction of some V20s in my price range. I might be asking you a whole lot of questions soon lol ;-) I am hoping for something that's not as big a project though

Yea I took this one on knowing it was gonna be a huge project and a one of a kind. I simply wanted to challenge myself. I am gonna finish this one up and then start on redoing my 20 ft pontoon boat.

[bldgengineer]

I wish i had that much time and patience for that much of a project. Thats why i commend you on yours!

[Kracker Jack]

Well fellas Im back from my cruise and had a blast!!!!! I got home this morning around 7 am and started working on the V around 10 am. My Old neighbor came came out and said "Dam boy! you get off one boat and get right back on another!!! LOL!!. I took it easy today and just cut out my cloth patterns for my structual inner rail.

[Kracker Jack]

well Im finally gonna be doing some glassing on the boat today. Its been a couple weeks since I have worked on her. Im getting ready to move and have been working alot so my time has been needed elsewhere.:beer:

[tartuffe]

Congrats on getting back at it. You're in the home stretch now! Looking forward to seeing your progress.

I finally finished my stringers and flipped the hull today to start on the hull, prepping for paint and flipped the cap ready for working on rotten spots on the deck. Time to fire the grinder back up.

[Kracker Jack]

Here are some pics of my inner rail that I glued yesterday. Yes I had to cut relief cuts in it to get it to comfortably conform to the contour of the lines of the boat. All relif cuts will be soaked with reduced resin and then filled with thickened resin and covered with one layer of 1708. It will then recieve another layer when i wrap the cap core. The gunwale supports are 4 foot on center and even with no glass on the rail and with the relief cuts i can stand on it with no structual issues. the last picture is of that proud bow that I stared at for an hour while drinking some beer yesterday, couldnt help but take a picture of it.:beer:

[Destroyer]

:clap::clap::clap:

[Kracker Jack]

Does anybody know what the dry weight was on a 1974 steplift? would love to get everyones opinion on wether Ive lost or gained weight on the boat? Using 3/4 ply on the floor,mostly 1708 on all my glassing, double 2x6 for gunwale supports, 2x4 for inner cap rail, and 3/4 ply for my cap, I have to ask myself if this boat lost weight after the conversion? What do you guys think?:head:

[tartuffe]

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/Cat_1974/scan0021_Medium.jpg

From this site under the history tab. Probably close to this (1920 LBS) but my guess is that weight was added. I know mine is than new but not significantly more than when restoration started with all the water-logged foam.

[RidgeRunner]

Think about the production line workers with the company looking over their shoulders/teaching their labor to save on materials where they could. You added more glass here and there because you wanted it heavy duty. They used a chopper gun for some of the liners, you hand-laid every piece and have done a great job IMO. So probably a little heavier than it was.
BTW- Kudos to you. Your progress is amazing, mine took forever. I must say I really like the ribs, one off cap and T-top. They make yours truly custom. AND
What power are you going with again??

[Kracker Jack]

Ridge I have a family owned 135 hp evinrude that im only the third owner of its a 1979 evinrude with extremely low hours. Me personally thats gonna be enough power to get me thru a year or two. I then want repower with a 150 or better. Im basiclly dealing with what I have for now.

[Kracker Jack]

Fellas so what do you think about me runnin a 135 hp evinrude on this build? I want it to get me by atleast a year or two. Im not expecting a ocean racer its a fishing boat. What is the projected mph with this motor? Has anybody on this forum run a v20 with with 135? 135 seemed to be pretty popular on the v20 back in the 70's. once again as always thanks for the help guys.

[jasoncooperpcola]

I would think at least 30mph for a 135 in good running order.

Kracker are you using 1708 with a mat backing or without and where are you purchasing it?

[Kracker Jack]

I would think at least 30mph for a 135 in good running order.

Kracker are you using 1708 with a mat backing or without and where are you purchasing it?

It has the 3/4 ounce stitched backing. In multiple layer layups I've been changings the directions of the of the next layer for added strength. It's some beautiful stuff!!!!!! Kind off a pain to wet out but not to bad. I'm getting my material from Eastern Burlap of Norfolk. They are about 10 minutes from my house. I'm getting some fresh high end poly from them for 25 dollars a gallon with Gardner and my 1708 for $9.25 a yard. I go there for the convinience and decent prices.

[jasoncooperpcola]

Thanks Kracker. I cannot find biax here local. Next best price is US Composites.

I have found 5 gallons of MarPro Polyester Resin for $125 local.

[Kracker Jack]

I worked on my console tonight. Im basiclly glueing and glassing some ply inside the console in certain spot so I can beef it up for the t-top. I did learn a new trick tonight!!!!! when trying to get cloth to wrap a fairly tight outside radius you can mix your resin then pour some pre catalized resin in another container and add just a little cabosil to it to create a paintable paste, then paint the paste on your radius and the cloth stays perfectly while you wet out your cloth with no bubbles. Just an idea.:hi:

[tartuffe]

Another tip to consider if you have air bubbles that you just cannot live with that form after you go to bed, you can go to any pharmacy and buy a hypodermic needle with a 16 guage needle that will fill em up nicely.

Are you still using the 1708?

[draglink]

You are looking great Kracker! Do you have power yet?

[Kracker Jack]

I actually have power. I'm starting to think its a little small for my build. It's a 1978 family owned 135hp evinrude it has low hours and runs awesome. But oddly enough I called today about a brand new Suzuki 175 4 stroke. I hear these suzukis are pretty good motors. Some of the local crabbers swear by them. Any comments on Suzuki?

[draglink]

My dad had a Suzuki 140 years ago....that motor was a workhorse, never missed a beat. The only draw back seems to be service, around here the closest dealer is about an hour north. Yamaha most popular, Merc and E-Tech right behind.

The 175 would be a great motor I'll bet....new power...Im jealous!!:beer:

I've got that little 70 Mariner I'm putting on my sons V, hope to get around 25 mph or so.....he's only 11 so its all he needs. I'm kinda keeping an eye out for a good, cheap older 115-150 though

[Kracker Jack]

[QUOTE=draglink;191000]My dad had a Suzuki 140 years ago....that motor was a workhorse, never missed a beat. The only draw back seems to be service, around here the closest dealer is about an hour north. Yamaha most popular, Merc and E-Tech right behind.

The 175 would be a great motor I'll bet....new power...Im jealous!!:beer:

I've got that little 70 Mariner I'm putting on my sons V, hope to get around 25 mph or so.....he's only 11 so its all he needs. I'm kinda keeping an eye out for a good, cheap older 115-150 though[/QUOTE

Man I just sold my other 135hp. I have a 1978 115 I will sell ya. It has great compression and runs awesome the only down fall is that it has manual trim bracket. If intrested let me know

[Curapa]

My buddy has a Zuki 140 on his Seapro and has not had any problems out of it besides the starter going out. He's had it for over 10 years. Corrosion seems to be an issue on the older ones at least, his has some on the powerhead but nothing serious.

I feel my boat is underpowered with the 130 and it's an 18'. I top out around 38mph with the t-top, before it I would hit 41-42mph if the conditions were right. If it is in the budget I would go bigger. When mine bites the dust I will go with a 150 minimum.

[draglink]

[QUOTE=draglink;191000]My dad had a Suzuki 140 years ago....that motor was a workhorse, never missed a beat. The only draw back seems to be service, around here the closest dealer is about an hour north. Yamaha most popular, Merc and E-Tech right behind.

The 175 would be a great motor I'll bet....new power...Im jealous!!:beer:

I've got that little 70 Mariner I'm putting on my sons V, hope to get around 25 mph or so.....he's only 11 so its all he needs. I'm kinda keeping an eye out for a good, cheap older 115-150 though[/QUOTE

Man I just sold my other 135hp. I have a 1978 115 I will sell ya. It has great compression and runs awesome the only down fall is that it has manual trim bracket. If intrested let me know


I'm going to keep you in mind! I really want trim/tilt, I dont think he would be able to budge the motor

[Kracker Jack]

Guys I'm just gonna have to be honest, its been to freaking hot to work on the V. We are also moving into our new house on the 1st of August. So I've been working my @$$ off getting the new and old house together. I will resume work soon!

[jasoncooperpcola]

Well there is a 300 post thread limit. After that YOU have to PAY US to read it! Looks like you only got one post left after my post. :nut:

Good luck with the moving Kracker, don't get to hot out there. Hopefully the new house has space for the V20????

[Kracker Jack]

300 lol!!!

[Kracker Jack]

301

[Kracker Jack]

Jason I thought you were serious!! Lol!!! I was testing her out. I should get my free v- 20 tee shirt for all the views I've gotten!!!! Lol!!!!

[jasoncooperpcola]

MJ we need a facepalm smilie!! And Kracker you ought to know better than taking what i write seriously :you: All in good fun. All in good fun. :fight: Holy crap over 6100 views!!












I have a confession to make. Over half the views are from me.....

[Kracker Jack]

I'm moving into my new house tomorrow. All the big things are already moved in we just need to unpack ( what a pain in the @$$!!!!!!!). And I told the ole lady that I'm fishing all weekend so I will start working on the boat here in the next week. I can't wait to get started back on it

[Blue_Runner]

Sounds like you have your priorities straight. Also props for "telling" the ole lady you are going fishing. Too many wussie guys these days "ask" their ole lady. :fam:

Good luck on the move!

[Kracker Jack]

Sounds like you have your priorities straight. Also props for "telling" the ole lady you are going fishing. Too many wussie guys these days "ask" their ole lady. :fam:

Good luck on the move!

Blue thanks for the well wishes on the move. We are now officially moved in,we went to Lucky Oyster tonight for half off raw bar and then stopped at my brothers who 4 miles from me. It's good to be close to my family and also enjoy some old hang outs!!!!! I will start working back on the V on Friday, so pics to follow soon!

[reelapeelin]

Sounds like you have your priorities straight. Also props for "telling" the ole lady you are going fishing. Too many wussie guys these days "ask" their ole lady.


Oh..Mr BIG BALLS, HUH??...OH WAIT...yes...looking toward Lex...I can see 'em from here!!...:nut:

Kracker...I haven't been on a whole lot lately...yer comin right along, specially w/a MOVE in the mix...yeoow!...you've added some weight, I imagine, cuz like Ridge says, beefed up to YOUR specs and that's a good thing...Propping is gonna be most important to gettin' all there is to get from the 135...do you know the max RPM range OMC spec'd on that motor...your prop should allow that RPM w/a light load and no wind for best performance and fuel economy...she sure lookin' GOOD!!...

[Kracker Jack]

Well I got itchy tonight fellas!!!!! Did some grinding on the gunwale rail getting it ready for glass. I'm gonna be glassing the rail Friday afternoon. Not to many pics I can take that you haven't already seen. I'm ready to get her done and ready for striper season! Blue you coming up to fish this year? Hopefully we will get that giant bluefin run again.

[Blue_Runner]

I sure hope so....but I must admit tho my regular crew has become weary after a couple of poor catching trips over the last 2 seasons. We got real spoiled there for about 6 or 7 years of wearing out the pigs. One of my friends who normally does the trip with us says he's not going back. Gonna be playing it by ear this season.

[Kracker Jack]

If you want you can leave the boat at home and just come fishing with us on the Albemarle.

[reelapeelin]

I sure hope so....but I must admit tho my regular crew has become weary after a couple of poor catching trips over the last 2 seasons. We got real spoiled there for about 6 or 7 years of wearing out the pigs. One of my friends who normally does the trip with us says he's not going back. Gonna be playing it by ear this season.


Gimme the BALL Coach!!...:party:

[Blue_Runner]

Alright Matt.....looks like it is gonna be me and Ozzie this year. Better warn all the fish and women of VA Beach!! Me n Oz are comin....and HELL'S COMIN WITH US!! :beer::you:

[tartuffe]

Well I got itchy tonight fellas!!!!! Did some grinding on the gunwale rail getting it ready for glass. I'm gonna be glassing the rail Friday afternoon. Not to many pics I can take that you haven't already seen. I'm ready to get her done and ready for striper season! Blue you coming up to fish this year? Hopefully we will get that giant bluefin run again.

I hope you have a place out of the rain. At this pace I'm never going to get done. Raining every frickin day.

[Kracker Jack]

Alright Matt.....looks like it is gonna be me and Ozzie this year. Better warn all the fish and women of VA Beach!! Me n Oz are comin....and HELL'S COMIN WITH US!! :beer::you:

Bring it on fellas!!!!! We would have a blast. But blue I do understand what your saying about the fishing, 4 or 5 years ago the fishing was insane. You would catch your limit in no time.

[Kracker Jack]

I hope you have a place out of the rain. At this pace I'm never going to get done. Raining every frickin day.

Yea rain has been relintless here also. I have truelly been waiting for the temperature to change to get back working on her. Todays temps were perfect!!!! I'm am over that hot weather 100 degree temp with sweat and grinding on fiberglass is not my cup of tea.

[Kracker Jack]

I got a lot done this weekend. I got my outboard running this weekend for some reason it didn't want to start.
I also got my 3/4 ply for my cap all shaped up and fine tuned and also glassed 2 layers of 1.5 csm on the bottom of the cap ply. I'm getting really excited to get this boat finished!!!

[reelapeelin]

I got a lot done this weekend. I got my outboard running this weekend for some reason it didn't want to start.
I also got my 3/4 ply for my cap all shaped up and fine tuned and also glassed 2 layers of 1.5 csm on the bottom of the cap ply. I'm getting really excited to get this boat finished!!!


I can see why...you've done a reall craftsman job starting w/a very seaworthy hull...a labor of love to be sure...you've done the proper courting...now it's time for you and the lady to get down to BIDNISS!!...:love:

[Kracker Jack]

I got a great deal on a parts bin from a guy on Craigslist. It had some dual morse controls,1- 2000 gph rule bilge pump,1100 gph rule pump,rechargeble marine grade spot light,2 sea dog halogen spreader lights, water muffs,led brake lights for trailer and led amber fender lights,aftco fighting belt,. And a bunch of other doo dads! All for 30.00 dollars!!!!! Can we say score!!!! It was all brand new in box.

[reelapeelin]

I got a great deal on a parts bin from a guy on Craigslist. It had some dual morse controls,1- 2000 gph rule bilge pump,1100 gph rule pump,rechargeble marine grade spot light,2 sea dog halogen spreader lights, water muffs,led brake lights for trailer and led amber fender lights,aftco fighting belt,. And a bunch of other doo dads! All for 30.00 dollars!!!!! Can we say score!!!! It was all brand new in box.

:clap:SCORE...for shore!!...:clap:

[Kracker Jack]

Grind ,grind,grind,drink beer,grind grind,drink beer!!!!!! Sorry I have no pics lately, we still haven't gotten our new wireless router so I have no internet only my smart phone, and for some reason i can't put pics on this site from my phone. THT let me post pics so there are updated pics on my build thread over there. Hope everyone had a good weekend!!!

[draglink]

Grind ,grind,grind,drink beer,grind grind,drink beer!!!!!! Sorry I have no pics lately, we still haven't gotten our new wireless router so I have no internet only my smart phone, and for some reason i can't put pics on this site from my phone. THT let me post pics so there are updated pics on my build thread over there. Hope everyone had a good weekend!!!


COME ON CRACK, POST SOME PICS FOR US HERE!!!

I stay away from THT...update us!!

This was the 6th rainy weekend in a row for us up here:sad:

[jasoncooperpcola]

Congrats on the parts score. I know how it feels. I have been on craigslist and hitting the fleamarket every weekend. Paid off good. Got hydraulic steering for $75, needs a couple parts. Got a crapload of csm and a big roll of woven roving for $50. Now I am looking for trim tabs! Sounds like you made good progress on your hull work. Keep us posted and get some pics up!

[Union Laker]

I started out not knowing a whole lot about doing a boat build. I have done some soft deck repairs in the past and thats about it. It goes to show that with alot of research and asking questions will get you a long way. The cool thing is that I know enough now to be able to help others onn this site now when in the beginning I was almost lost!!!! lol!!


Kracker your the reason I landed here with my Franken V Project you do some good work. I am a painter as well never rebuilt a boat as far as your VA - V.

I cant wait till we get some spare time to pull the engine &out drive to get after her. Keep up the goodwork I am where you were @ the beginning.

[Union Laker]

Fellas so what do you think about me runnin a 135 hp evinrude on this build? I want it to get me by atleast a year or two. Im not expecting a ocean racer its a fishing boat. What is the projected mph with this motor? Has anybody on this forum run a v20 with with 135? 135 seemed to be pretty popular on the v20 back in the 70's. once again as always thanks for the help guys.


Glass Up That transom Put a sea drive on it you have 2 perfectly good 135 Rudes' with all the work & strength you have added she would fly.....:clap:

Kinda nice to out run a squall in open water... I was contemplating a sea drive & a single 300 on mine...:hi: But there I go thinking again.....

Great job once again just got thru the whole thing.... almost...

Edit: I see you sold off the other Rude' But you got the Dual controls.

[macojoe]

old sea drives are a dyeing thing, they were a good idea at one time but parts getting hard to find!
Brackets are the way to go now!

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/album91/Picture_024.sized.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

Glass Up That transom Put a sea drive on it you have 2 perfectly good 135 Rudes' with all the work & strength you have added she would fly.....:clap:

Kinda nice to out run a squall in open water... I was contemplating a sea drive & a single 300 on mine...:hi: But there I go thinking again.....

Great job once again just got thru the whole thing.... almost...

Edit: I see you sold off the other Rude' But you got the Dual controls.

UL I thought about doing a seadrive in the beginning but decided not to due to the guys on this forum. The added "dead weight" and lack of accesible parts steered me away. With the experience and confidence I have gained from being apart of this forum I'm not scared to do a bracket in the next couple years. But for now I'm gonna stick with my single 135 and a traditional outboard setup. By the way welcome to the forum!! These guys on here are awesome and will give you a wealth of knowledge. There truelly are no stupid questions on this forum, just ask and somebody will help.co

[Union Laker]

old sea drives are a dyeing thing, they were a good idea at one time but parts getting hard to find!
Brackets are the way to go now!

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/album91/Picture_024.sized.jpg


MJ is that a sea drive or a.bracket? The one in the picture is what I was thinking of. Thought the extra couple feet would be more stable

[Union Laker]

UL I thought about doing a seadrive in the beginning but decided not to due to the guys on this forum. The added "dead weight" and lack of accesible parts steered me away. With the experience and confidence I have gained from being apart of this forum I'm not scared to do a bracket in the next couple years. But for now I'm gonna stick with my single 135 and a traditional outboard setup. By the way welcome to the forum!! These guys on here are awesome and will give you a wealth of knowledge. There truelly are no stupid questions on this forum, just ask and somebody will help.co


Thanks KJ with your skilled work I figured just grab a micro
lam beam and have one fabbed up in a few days.

So what is the difference in a bracket vs. A sea drive. It was back in the 90.s since I was out on my buddies 25 Dusky. He had 2 Black Max 225's on what I thought was a sea drive. Might have been a bracket. Either way it flew in the back country down in the Keys.

The extra couple feet back there made a big difference out off shore.
Made a nice swim platform for snorkeling, good to keep everything out back and out of the way.

Thanks for the welcome.

Let's see what your ideas are for a bracket. I found a Black Max up here for a bracket. I had thought you still had the twin 135s . For as heavy a boat a 135 better suited for a 17' Checkmate. JMHO.

Check my photo bucket for a video of a 64 Tempest with a 600hp 383 stroked we built. I will get a link. Up in Caseville on lake Huron.
Wish I had the V up here with me. Just picked up a 69 Mach I.

[draglink]

UL - the above picture is a 'Stainless Marine' bracket on a V.

A Sea Drive was built by OMC for a few years. It has the "bracket" built into the lower part of the motor

SeaDrive:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/draglink/imagesCAKYT72Y.jpg

[Union Laker]

UL - the above picture is a 'Stainless Marine' bracket on a V.

A Sea Drive was built by OMC for a few years. It has the "bracket" built into the lower part of the motor

SeaDrive:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/draglink/imagesCAKYT72Y.jpg

Right I thought the Brackets were sea drives .I hate those Bracket only way to go I thought the bracket was the sea drive. I like them can't believe I thought for the last 25 years Brackets were sea drives..

Thanks for the old schoolin...

[Union Laker]

Hey Kracker you ready for some primer yet? I jjust got a 2 gallon kit from SPI

Barry has free shipping 2 part Epoxy 1-1 mix. I will let ya know how she lays down.

Now what all is the best top coat?.....What were you thinking , :beer:

[Kracker Jack]

Hey Kracker you ready for some primer yet? I jjust got a 2 gallon kit from SPI

Barry has free shipping 2 part Epoxy 1-1 mix. I will let ya know how she lays down.

Now what all is the best top coat?.....What were you thinking , :beer:

Union, there's a lot of DO IT YOURSELF paints out there. The sides of my outer hull are gonna be Interlux perfection in a fighting lady yellow color, my bottom is gonna be a interlux VC performance EPOXY, My inner hull I'm tossed up on but I'm leaning towards rolled on gellcoat, giving the boat a work boat finish inside. I have 2 gallons of interlux epoxy primer already. I'm working on the boat Saturday and Sunday I have been working 70 hour weeks lately so I've been kinda busy at work.

[Kracker Jack]

Finally working on the boat today. I really wanted to go fishing,the puppy drum are snapping right now. I set and glued the last part of my inner rail today and I'm gonna glassind them up tommorow. Next will be glueing and setting the top cap and then glassing over the whole cap to rail structure. Im really looking forward to fairing and slicking her up.

[Kracker Jack]

By far the most challenging layups I've done so far!!! Tight radias with multiple inside corners and tabs. I can't wait till these inner rails are done.

I also recieved a bonus today, I traded some spreader lights for a vhf radio and a raymarine rc420 chartplotter today!!!!! It was one of those situations were my buddy wanted spreader lights and he had what I needed, he's happy and I'm very very happy with the trade.

[draglink]

Come on Kracker, youre holding out on us....give us some PICTURES!!!

[Union Laker]

:time:For some picts. Devil is in the Details...


Come on Kracker, youre holding out on us....give us some PICTURES!!!

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0095_zps1c88675a.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

It worked!!!!!!!! I can do pictures!!!!! Wooo hoooo!!!! Game on.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0102_zpsefa792b5.jpg

As you can see I had to cut relief in the inner rail to get it to conform to the lines of the boat. Before I glassed the inner rail I'm hotcoating and letting it gel,then I come back with thickened resin and filling in the relief cuts and then applying my cloth and all wet on wet. This I thought would bring back the structual integrity of the wood.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0094_zpsd0e33c04.jpg

More pictures.

[jasoncooperpcola]

Looking good Kracker! I really like the rail. Good thing on the relief cuts without them its possible to pull the boat to fit the wood rather than vice versa, and that is not good. Dont forget you can always come work on mine. :hide: I cannot wait to see yours done. :clap:

[jasoncooperpcola]

Kracker, I just had an idea. How about extending your gunnel cap 3" past the outside of the hull with a 2" downward carling? Like the Carolina Skiff and the big Cape Horns. Should help with spray and give you more piling protection.

[Blue_Runner]

Boat is coming right along....lookin real good man....keep it up.

[draglink]

Shes damn sexy already!!

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0043.jpg

Here's one from lastweekend when I was dry fitting and fine tuning the cap ply.

[draglink]

You are doing some excellent work there! The devil is in the details and you get 'em licked! Love the pics!!

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0040.jpg

[draglink]

Kracker, the more I stare at your pictures, themore I want it! You are getting me motivated to get my sons V project going again!!

[Kracker Jack]

Drag, its been a long itchy road to get her to this point. And I still have a long way to go. But its gonna be a cool boat.

[Union Laker]

Drag, its been a long itchy road to get her to this point. And I still have a long way to go. But its gonna be a cool boat.

She is coming out great we had our first frost up here looks like 4 weeks of Indian summer in store for us up here in MI.

With the budget are you going to paint her or Gel coat her?
I am getting my Epoxy Primer today we will see how it goes.

Nice work on the pictures KJ :pic:

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0110-1.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0107.jpg

[RidgeRunner]

"Your eat-up with that boat aren't you?" ROFLMAO at that comment your neighbor made a while back. Excellent fortitude to press on my good man.

[Kracker Jack]

Ridge,I'm just ready to get her done and get her wet!!!!! I'm motivated at this point so I'm gonna gonna take advantage of it. I took a break there for a while to move into new house which is good because I was getting burnt out on the boat. Now I'm ready for round 2!!!!!!

[Union Laker]

Ridge,I'm just ready to get her done and get her wet!!!!! I'm motivated at this point so I'm gonna gonna take advantage of it. I took a break there for a while to move into new house which is good because I was getting burnt out on the boat. Now I'm ready for round 2!!!!!!

Looks like your in the home stretch, almost ready for Tuna Time!

[Kracker Jack]

Is it bad that I passed up a wreck fishing trip tomorrow to work on my boat? Even my buddy looked at me today and went "are you serious!!!!! You ain't ever passed up a fishing trip before"

Tomorrow I am going to build the last piece of inner rail which is the inner radias of the forward piece of cap. I'm gonna fabricate the rail in the morning then glass in the after noon.

I have also decided I'm going flush mount my fishfinder and chartplotter in the console. Meaning I have to build up a dash on top of my console. So I will be pondering around with that tomorrow.

[Destroyer]

Is it bad that I passed up a wreck fishing trip tomorrow to work on my boat? Even my buddy looked at me today and went "are you serious!!!!! You ain't ever passed up a fishing trip before"

Tomorrow I am going to build the last piece of inner rail which is the inner radias of the forward piece of cap. I'm gonna fabricate the rail in the morning then glass in the after noon.

I have also decided I'm going flush mount my fishfinder and chartplotter in the console. Meaning I have to build up a dash on top of my console. So I will be pondering around with that tomorrow.

Keep at it dude.. you're doing great!!!:clap:

[jasoncooperpcola]

Git r done Kracker! I am still in the denial stage of mine.....

[macojoe]

get her done then there's plenty time to fish!! then they will want to go with you all the time!

I did a starboard thing for my flush mount, I know you must have a better way but its a idea, works for me.

I have the black plex glass for it but have not added it yet, it will have a bar going across it with a lock, keep honest people honest.

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/MJ-hide/008_G.sized.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

MJ wow!!!!! That is one heck of a unit!!!!

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0120.jpg



Here's my bow cap temperally put up on so I can mock up my inner rail. I do a lot of wreck fishing and in shore live baiting while anchored up so as you can see I made the bow as narrow as possible so I can drop anchor from the step up platform. One thing I can't stand is when its a little snotty and you have to get up on that freaking bow deck to throw anchor. My brother said " your taking away from that Carolina boat custom look by not having a big deck up front" so looked at him and laughed and said looks ain't everything!!!!!

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0128.jpg

Here's another petpeev that I can solve while I'm at this point. Every factory boat I have ever owned has had a hole in the anchor rope locker that is only like 1/4 to 1/2 inch in diameter. And get easily blocked and clogged by debris and ultimately filling rod locker up with 3 or 4 inches of nasty a$$ water. So I drilled mine out 1 1/2 inches and then filled edges with thickened resin and milled fibers to waterproof upper level deck core.

[macojoe]

Kracker Jack MJ wow!!!!! That is one heck of a unit!!!!

Thanks!! But I not sure 10" screen is big enough??

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/MJ-hide/022_G.sized.jpg

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/MJ-hide/023_G_001.sized.jpg

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/MJ-hide/025_G.sized.jpg

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/MJ-hide/027_G.sized.jpg

who really wants to look at 3 screens at a time??

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/MJ-hide/029_G.sized.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

MJ, is that touch screen also? I look at some of these new units and think back to the loran c searanger days and laugh. Some of these units now even have engine gauges on them now meaning all you need is the monitor on the dash!!!! Unreal and very very cool.

[macojoe]

this is the 4000 series, you need to go with the 5000 series for touch screen. I did not want the touch because i commercial fish alot and did not want fish gut hands on the screen all the time! :sick:
IA remember fishing with nothing and it was something to get a corpus! then the loran, and my first gps was a handheld, no charts, we have come a long way!!
this unit was $2000 at the boat show a few years back, with radar, sounder, and gps. I an very happy with it!!

[Union Laker]

MJ, is that touch screen also? I look at some of these new units and think back to the loran c searanger days and laugh. Some of these units now even have engine gauges on them now meaning all you need is the monitor on the dash!!!! Unreal and very very cool.

I remember the old dayz too.

I found some old rolls of paper from my old SITEX Graph Depth finder. There were some nice marks on there from the old Salmon Slammin dayz

[Kracker Jack]

I remember the old dayz too.

I found some old rolls of paper from my old SITEX Graph Depth finder. There were some nice marks on there from the old Salmon Slammin dayz

yea my dad had an Seaking paper graph bottom machine. It was high tech for that day and time.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0188-1.jpg

So I decide if I'm gonna do this boat then I'm gonna do it right the first time. Even though the hull is built like a moose I also decide to recore the half rotted core ply on my console. I cut from the top because I'm gonna glass over the whole top anyway. Iwill then flip it over and patch those steering and control holes from the bottom with some progressive patchs of CSM.

[RidgeRunner]

On the glassing of the console/recore, sounds good to me. I need to do the exact same thing with my raised casting deck.
BTW - It does get interesting trying to stand up there while trying to anchor.
Love the anchor locker drain too. Small details make all the difference. Whaler's anchor locker drain was like 3/16" inside diameter, it stayed plugged up. On the Wellcraft, I stepped up to a 1" drain with the Perko Chrome vent over the top.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0198.jpg

Hot coated the pre cut core material and thickened the left over resin to fill voids around the top of console (always take advantage of what you have mixed,it will save you a lot of resin in the long run)

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0199-1.jpg

I then let the hot coat kick then mixed my thickened resin and applied with 1/4 inch notch trowel.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0201.jpg

I then put my core ply inplace and smushed it around to get an even layer of thickened resin between the ply and console skin. A big mistake I've learned is squeezing to much resin out of the bonding surface. Always keep a thin layer of resin in there or you won't get a good bond.

[draglink]

Kracker she is looking GREAT!! Keep the pics coming! I think Im going to Frankenstein my sons console this winter.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0208.jpg

Well kinda mocked her up so I can take some measurements so I took some pics.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0207.jpg

Here's another pic. I can't wait to put this boat together for good.

[jasoncooperpcola]

Stupid question, have you replaced the bow eye yet? I have yet to own an old boat that did not eventually need one. Plus that will bug the crap out of you being the only hardware that wasn't replaced....

[Kracker Jack]

Stupid question, have you replaced the bow eye yet? I have yet to own an old boat that did not eventually need one. Plus that will bug the crap out of you being the only hardware that wasn't replaced....

Yea I already have a new one. A buddy of mine recomended me to replace it. Thank you for the heads up.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0210.jpg

Here she is all glassed up with a single layer of 1708. If you look closely at the opening on the console you will see a 3/4 ply band that that wraps the opening I did this to create shear strength in the console for the purpose of the t-top getting bolted to it. The console orginally was just a mold and really had no horizontal strength. I'm also gonna glass a piece of 3/4 ply 12"x16" to mount fuse panels and battery switches and other electrical knick knacks

[Curapa]

Coming along nicely!

I always make a point to wipe off the dripping resin with a rag with some solvent on it. Makes it a lot easier than sanding it off.

[Kracker Jack]

Hey guys I need some opinions. I'm thinking of glassing my console down to the deck and not using screws or fasteners. What's yalls opinions on this. I see a lot of guys on other forums doing this.

[jasoncooperpcola]

Kracker, I say get your console exactly where you want it then glass it down. If properly done, you will have a much more solid connection. Less vibration too. I am glassing the cap to my hull when it goes back together for these reasons.

[macojoe]

Sounds like a idea, but were is the gas tank, and other stuff?? If need to get down in that area you will have a B***h of a time if its glassed down! How about weight distribution? Are you sure ts going were its going?? If you need to move it forward or back to get the boat level in the water, its going to be easy to adjust before mounting. But if all is well, and clear then go for it, like stated it will be nice, and stable.

[reelapeelin]

Hey guys I need some opinions. I'm thinking of glassing my console down to the deck and not using screws or fasteners. What's yalls opinions on this. I see a lot of guys on other forums doing this.

As long as yer SURE there's never a reason to get under it...why not?...

[Kracker Jack]

There would be no reason I would have to move it after glassed in. I just want it to be solid and also less holes to drill in the floor. And it would also Carry my t-top a little better.

And also a guy on another website made the comment that the t-top is not good enough for the boat anymore due to all the work I've done to the boat.? I don't quite understand his comment.

[macojoe]

Maybe he just means you should have a nice new custom made one to show off, cause the boat will be all new!!

Are you sure on the location as far as weight distribution on the boat? To far forward or back will make a huge difference!!
Lots has been changed on that boat (for the better) to change the weight already, so just be sure!

[Kracker Jack]

Maybe he just means you should have a nice new custom made one to show off, cause the boat will be all new!!

Are you sure on the location as far as weight distribution on the boat? To far forward or back will make a huge difference!!
Lots has been changed on that boat (for the better) to change the weight already, so just be sure!

MJ what's the best way to figure out the balancing act? The console now is 16 inches forward of where a stock earl 70's v20 would be. I'm almost postive that she is not to much weight forward.

[tartuffe]

The weight of the console versus the overall boat will not make a difference if it is a foot farther forward or back. I would put it as far back as you can for the smoothest ride while leaving all the room you would want for fishing off the back. When we would tie up at anchor on my boat everybody (usually 6-8 people) always sat on the front gunnel at the bow.

Personally I wouldn't glass it down, just as soon as you do there will ultimately be something no one ever thought of that will require you to take it off for access. Keep the boat as customizable with as little effort as possible.

[Kracker Jack]

The weight of the console versus the overall boat will not make a difference if it is a foot farther forward or back. I would put it as far back as you can for the smoothest ride while leaving all the room you would want for fishing off the back. When we would tie up at anchor on my boat everybody (usually 6-8 people) always sat on the front gunnel at the bow.

Personally I wouldn't glass it down, just as soon as you do there will ultimately be something no one ever thought of that will require you to take it off for access. Keep the boat as customizable with as little effort as possible.

Tartuffe those are awesome words of advice,thank you . You put it in a different perspective.

I have set the console up with that in mind. I've set the boat up numerous times and have had my fishing buddies in it with me just to mock room needed. It's actually been kinda numerous with us in it at times.

[macojoe]

I agree, but you stated way back about putting a larger or a 2nd gas tank? Thats going to change things also. If going as far back as you can, and you want a heavy 4 stroke the scuppers are going to be under water all the time.
Thats another good reason not to glass it, different engines at some point.
As to your question, unless you weight all stuff removed and stuff added, there is no way of telling till you get it to the water and float it. I would not glass it!!

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0236.jpg

The tank forward is an 18 gallon external gas tank.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0237.jpg

Here's another pic. This tank would only be used on certain days.

[jasoncooperpcola]

I say hang the engine, and take her to the ramp on a slow day. Bring buckets to fill with water to mock fuel weight. Then start moving stuff around. You have done so much to her that there is no telling how she will sit. :nice:

[reelapeelin]

Consider the amount of weight of a cuddy cabin and how far forward that is...keeping in mind the cuddy and the CC are carried by exactly the same hull...in a cuddy, if I need to lift the bow, it's easily done...If were mine I'd be looking to put some working room AFT of the console...leaving room to get from port to starboard and back at the whim of your prey...

[Kracker Jack]

I originally thought the same thing Reel did. It having so much weight forward with the cuddy on it I thought I would be fine with console placement.I am not glassing it down though.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0235.jpg

Here is the 3/4 inch ply I'm putting around the door acess of my console. It has really stiffend up the console

[jasoncooperpcola]

Looks good Kracker. The console for the 18 Fish I have needs that. Its a flimsy mess. Funny you are putting plywood in and I am ripping it out. :haha:

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0265.jpg
I worked on the V today. I finally mocked up the arch for the bow cap and what a pain in the @$$. I will glue the 2 pieces together in place and let it kick off then I will remove it from the boat and radius the bottom edge then glass it up. After its glass up I will then glue and screw it back on the boat and glass it in place.

[jasoncooperpcola]

Good to see it coming along. The arch looks to add a nice finishing touch.

[Kracker Jack]

Now that I sit back and look at my boat there is not much I would change because the design is going to be about as simple as it gets and when it comes to fishing simple is the best way to go. But I would change one thing....compsite material and epoxy!!! Man I wish it was affordable for us poor folks. I would run this boat the rest of my life if I used composite material. Oh well.....back to my bloody Mary drink.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0280.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0281.jpg

Here's a pic from today. Fine tuning forward bow cap and inner rail arch on the front. The arch is gonna be glassed in some time this week then I will glass the cap ply in the next couple weeks. But what you see here is my set up with the "coffin" style mounted cooler up front.

[jasoncooperpcola]

Kracker the cap looks great. The ONLY improvement I could suggest is close that transom off, install a bracket and continue your rail around the transom.

[macojoe]

Great work!!! :clap:
I also agree with the closing of the transom and use of a bracket, nothing like a full transom to keep the water out!! At least if its not a 25" transom you can make it one now for more motor options.

[Kracker Jack]

Guys trust me I would love to close her in!!!! I would love to bump up to a 25 inch transom. I just don't have extra money to buy another motor. I'm gonna run this motor I have to get me by for now. This is not a boat that's gonna be used all the time and only in ideal conditions with nice weather Windows. She will have a solid transom before I die! But it won't be for another 2 or 3 years. Trust after all that I've learned on this build I'm not scared to cut into a boat and start doing some surgery! Lol!!! I actually called about a bracket today but still my motor is only a 20" inch shaft and she would be swimming most of the time with a bracket plus when I do the solid transom it will be with a new 25" inch motor. All in due time fellas.

[tartuffe]

Looks good Kracker! Looks like your almost out of the fabrication phase and onto the fine tuning for finish. Way to stick with it.

[Kracker Jack]

Looks good Kracker! Looks like your almost out of the fabrication phase and onto the fine tuning for finish. Way to stick with it.

I can't wait for the fine tuning and fairing stage!!! That's were I'm gonna excell. I'm a perfectionist or atleast try to be. Yea I can't wait to slick her up and prime her. I have a buddy of mine who's a true genius when it comes to painting and he is insisting on painting this boat. He's gonna spray the VC performance epoxy on the bottom of the boat and paint the outside the boat "fighting lady yellow". I also have a cousin in Fayetteville,North Carolina who owns a auto/marine paint store and she is basiclly gonna give me the 3 quarts of Imron for the outside the boat. The inside is gonna be rolled gelcoat in a workboat style. I saw a boat today that inside was painted at the beginning of the summer and it already looks like poop!!! So gelcoat it is.

[Union Laker]

Well I have mine closed in so time for a bracket. Just have to plug the hole from the I/O. I just picked up a 25" Zuk 200 for the battle wagon.

What kind of Bracket do you reccomend, Designwise if we make one.
Looks like mightr need a spool gun for the MIG.

I/O is nice but the water is going away up here in the Great Lakes cant use the launches with I/O any More:nut:

Let me know on your Bracket research KJ

[macojoe]

My I/O convert, a flotation bracket is a must!! http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/album91

[Union Laker]

My I/O convert, a flotation bracket is a must!! http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/album91

Thanks MJ looks like a plan. Sorry bought the hijack Kracker.u
Still chime in if you found current info. Off the deep end....

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0441.jpg
Wow! I haven't posted on this thread in a while! I worked on the v today. Glassed last of the inner rail up forward at the bow. I plan on glassing the bow arch tomorrow and maybe glueing a screwing it in place. I also cut my recesses or access channels in my guwhale supports today which I have pictured, this is gonna allow me to run my 2 16 foot led shots from bow to stern and any other future wiring. Hope to have her done soon,it shure did feel good to work on her today.

[Union Laker]

Looks good man keep us a little more updated. Last one was before the end of the world. Glad they postponed it. Got my new DT200 ZUK

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0442.jpg
Precut cloth and let it relax and get some memory before I glassed it.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0443-1.jpg
Had to get my little sidekick to help me today seeing how I can't get any of you guys to give me a hand!
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0444.jpg
All wetted out and ready to be glued and screwed and then tabbed .

[Curapa]

Good idea on the recesses for the led's. Looking good.

[Destroyer]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0443-1.jpg
Had to get my little sidekick to help me today seeing how I can't get any of you guys to give me a hand!

Naaaa....It's not that we don't want to give you a hand, it's just that we didn't want to be shown up by her.

[Union Laker]

Naaaa....It's not that we don't want to give you a hand, it's just that we didn't want to be shown up by her.

Well you said it best, work on the small details
GOD will take care of the rest....

Keep the build over board. KJ like Big E....:sly:

[Kracker Jack]

Well you said it best, work on the small details
GOD will take care of the rest....

Keep the build over board. KJ like Big E....:sly:

Union are you talking about edwardPic on THT?

[Blue_Runner]

Man the boat sure is looking nice. What is even nicer is all of the room you are going to have in that thing. That's one of the things I liked about my old V20. It didn't have the molded in bait well and fish box which gave it a lot of room. Don't get me wrong tho, I like the molded boxes on the V21 because I use one for beverages and the other for fishies without having to take the cooler. I also bring along a fish bag for those lunkers that won't fit in the fish box. But I've only had to break out the bag once and that was for a fat YFT. Fish that won't fit in the box = an awesome problem to have IMO....

[Union Laker]

Union are you talking about edwardPic on THT?

Yes that guy is pretty crazy. Now I know where you get it from.
I am learning quite a bit from you guy's.

Embarking on another build need more room for TUNA. Doing a CC Bertram 25. When is rockfish season I will come down for a splash.

Now if we get some temps that will be condusive to glass.....:party:

Keep up the good work. Spring getting closer and closer.

[Kracker Jack]

Yes that guy is pretty crazy. Now I know where you get it from.
I am learning quite a bit from you guy's.

Embarking on another build need more room for TUNA. Doing a CC Bertram 25. When is rockfish season I will come down for a splash.

Now if we get some temps that will be condusive to glass.....:party:

Keep up the good work. Spring getting closer and closer.

Me and big E have a lot in common. He just has nicer tools and toys to work with. My build is in the true fashion of a shadetree,makeshift restoration.

[Union Laker]

Me and big E have a lot in common. He just has nicer tools and toys to work with. My build is in the true fashion of a shadetree,makeshift restoration.

Yes that is what makes it fun, trying to do everything perfect for a budget minded restoration. I am taking notes on both of you guys. Both of do great work, he sure has the right tools. those molds come out nice.


When the V is almost next in line. We can have out right materials lined up. Need to find a set of DT200 ZUK controls, and find a bracket.

Then the floor repairs. She looks like a snow girl out there. Under the Shade tree with the engine hanging from the Gantry. Keep up the good work. Looks like a nice warm spell for you down there.

We can almost drive the Disco on the ice!:oh: come on spring...:happy:

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0456.jpg
Here is my project for tomorrow. I'm gonna be glueing and screwing and the tabbing this bow arch in place. This will be my last structual piece that I put into place. As you can see 2 inch course thread stainless screws will hold it in place on the port and starboard side and 6 1 1/2 coarse thread stainless screws hold it in place under the anchor rope locker. I can't wait to get this piece done and move on to the cap. She not glassed in yet and she is solid as a rock!!!!!
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0457.jpg
For some reason this picture makes the bulkhead look like its not level and out of wack to the rest of the boat. But its not.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0522-1.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0523-1.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0521.jpg
So I really liked the look and function of draglinks sprayshield on the "natural light" boat I saw pictures of. So I made one today for my console. I also milled some starboard trim for my console opening.

[draglink]

Now thats ironic right there......I just downloaded those pictures bc thats what I want to do with my sons console on HIS V. I hate the old '73 console....want a smaller one and that spray sheild LOOKS AWESOME!!.......and my Natty Light was the inspiration for it!!

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0530-1.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0527.jpg

Well I've come up with another backyard scrap wood idea. I wanted a leaning post behind the console but don't feel like paying the big money for one and then I would lose lots of storage area. So I took my old bench seat and have built a 12 inch tall box on top of it, and by cutting a large lipped hole on the back side I can keep life jackets in the bottom of the bench seat and make a starboard covering board that will be bottom of my upper opened storage area. I will incorporate 4 or 6 rod holders in the back ( black magic marker pictured) and right below the rod holders on the back will be that upper tackle storage(black magic marker drawn on the back). I will then get my buddy to make me a low profile pad for the front. I keep my same foot print of the cockpit with added storage. And like Emeril would say "BAM"!!!!!!!

[Kracker Jack]

Now thats ironic right there......I just downloaded those pictures bc thats what I want to do with my sons console on HIS V. I hate the old '73 console....want a smaller one and that spray sheild LOOKS AWESOME!!.......and my Natty Light was the inspiration for it!!

yea she was inspiration. I asked you about that sprayshield in the very begining when i first started my build. When i saw your pic i knew i was gonna incoporate one.:party:

[jasoncooperpcola]

I like the ingenuity there Kracker. That will look nice when done. Heck I just realised that I can start building my console and leaning post if I go ahead and shorten my cuddy and get it glassed.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0532-1.jpg

Well here she is fellas. I improved my storage added a leaning post and a rocket launcher all in one piece. All I needed to do now is glass her up. As you can see I made the hole big enough to were I can remove and acess the lower storage and still have upper storage for tackle and knick knacks.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0531.jpg

Here's laila grey doing her thing!!!! She said "daddy I can't wait till we paint this boat, because I'm really good at coloring and painting" lol!!!!! Im gonna let her paint something under the console with some acrylic.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0539-1.jpg

I glassed up my spray shield on my console today. Tomorrow I will glass on my box on my bench seat. But here is my basic foot print of the console and leaning post.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0541-1.jpg
I put 2 layers of CSM on those under the cap acesses for my lighting.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0543-1.jpg
I also glued and screwed and glassed my bow arch in today. I will be glueing my cap ply on tomorrow. I'm getting very excited at this point. Everything seems to be coming together as planned.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0542-1.jpg
Here's the inside view. Ran the 1708 14 inches past each joint on either side.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0545.jpg
Here's a view under the cap showing the Chase holes that's gonna be used to run my 16 ft strip lighting and future wiring. The inside corners under the cap will simply tabbed in with a strip of 1.5 CSM.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0551.jpg
Good glassing weather here in va beach

[Curapa]

Suck to be you:haha:

[draglink]

Pic from a couple hours ago in Gloucester.....couple inches now!! I was out cruising in my old Grand Wagoneer

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/draglink/2013-01-25_155717_zps0d89c2b8.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

Hey drag, was wondering about you guys up there. We got a about 3 inches here. Were loving it out here in the county. Already took the 4 wheelers out here at my buddys.

[draglink]

Hey drag, was wondering about you guys up there. We got a about 3 inches here. Were loving it out here in the county. Already took the 4 wheelers out here at my buddys.

Hey Kracker, we got about the same....wish it was a little more(and then melt by Monday)!!

Had a ball last night....loaded up a cooler and went riding on my '56 Allis Chalmers!!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/draglink/2013-01-25_203941_zpsc402b29d.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

Cold cold go away...so I can glass on a warm day!!!! Over this weather boys!!! This boat is ready to snap together.

[draglink]

Cold cold go away...so I can glass on a warm day!!!! Over this weather boys!!! This boat is ready to snap together.


I FEEL YOUR PAIN KRACKER!!!

My sons project V is just waiting under a tarp for some decent weather. She might go in the garge this weekend so we can get this project going again. Really need to find a console. Gonna hit budget boats one day this week. I called them, they said they had a few laying around.

[Kracker Jack]

If you go to budget boats give me a shout. I will meet ya for a beer. Or come out and check my v20 and get a beer.

[draglink]

If you go to budget boats give me a shout. I will meet ya for a beer. Or come out and check my v20 and get a beer.

Thanks for the invite Kracker!!

Actually I snuck out of the office for a couple hours today and ran down there. Found a nice solid one with doors for $100!!

Side note: They had a nice late model V20 center console there. Needed cleaning and repower. Saw it on my way out and didnt ask them about price....looked like they might have just got it

[Kracker Jack]

Did it have Orange color pin stripping on it?

[draglink]

Did it have Orange color pin stripping on it?

No, neither the console I bought or the V20 I saw had orange stripping

[Kracker Jack]

there a older 70's v20 cuddy up there for 500 dollars.

[draglink]

I should call them and see what the deal is...its prob a late 80's CC that I saw

[Kracker Jack]

I talked to the owner today at the boat show. They havent priced the one you saw.The cuddy thats on the website he said he will sell for 200 bucks. he also has a old mckee craft like a 16 footer he will sell for 250 bucks. There are some projects up there to be had. I might go grab that mckee craft.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0610_zps71da835b.jpg

Here's the teak helm style pod I've been talking about. It's in the rough in stages. It will get a couple coats of epoxy,sanded then some alwgrip clear.

[draglink]

WOAH!! Man that is nice looking!!

Hey where do you get your resin and glass supplies??

[Kracker Jack]

I get all my glass and resin from Eastern Burlap in Norfolk. They are awesome!!! Its one of them places you go into and not feel uncomfortable. I ask alot of questions when I go in there and they answer them like there your buddy. They were at the boat show this weekend and I talked to them for about an hour, there just a great group of guys.

[draglink]

I get all my glass and resin from Eastern Burlap in Norfolk. They are awesome!!! Its one of them places you go into and not feel uncomfortable. I ask alot of questions when I go in there and they answer them like there your buddy. They were at the boat show this weekend and I talked to them for about an hour, there just a great group of guys.

Thanks! I am going to need some supplies to finish up my sons boat and I remember you praising your supplier! I will check them out!

[the daydreamer]

karcker love the console!!!! how are you going to place gauges? and what kind of shifter and placement. is it going to be a single lever with seperat trim switch? cant wait to see finished:sun:

[Kracker Jack]

karcker love the console!!!! how are you going to place gauges? and what kind of shifter and placement. is it going to be a single lever with seperat trim switch? cant wait to see finished:sun:
It's gonna be a single lever with seperate trim and tilt switch. I will have only a single rpm gauge, all other gauges on this boat to me are useless( I will have a audible over heat alarm). The lever is a top mount and will be placed on the right handside of the wheel. I'm still deciding weather I'm gonna build an electronics box for the t-top or mount them to the console.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0624_zps4f394f44.jpg
Pic of the boat before getting her motor fitted.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0619_zps67fa3525.jpg
One from the stern

[Curapa]

Nice bus!

[Kracker Jack]

Nice bus!

Yea its pretty cool!! It's my dads. He paid like 200 dollars for it and drove it home. He has trails he drives the grandkids around on it on his property. His crazy @$$ wears a sailor hat and sings "pawpaw the sailor man" to the kids . He's a nut!!!

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0633_zps60bdc051.jpg
And this proves that my dad is a nut!!! This pic was taken Like 10 minutes at my daughters birthday party!!!

[Destroyer]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0633_zps60bdc051.jpg
And this proves that my dad is a nut!!! This pic was taken Like 10 minutes at my daughters birthday party!!!

Naaaa... Just proves that your dad has his priorities in order. :party:

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMG_0956_zps54b86e4b.jpg

And here's me with a princess hat on also. These are my 2 girls pictured. Time flys, I can't believe laila is 6 years old

[Blue_Runner]

"Papaw the sailor man....."

:fam:

[Kracker Jack]

"Papaw the sailor man....."

:fam:

Lol!!!! He's a trip!!! If you come up to fish with us you will meet him!!!!

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0670_zps85565a45.jpg
Ripped down material on table saw
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0671_zps373c4bf5.jpg
Predrill and counter sink screws,I'm screwing it on just to shape it,it will be removed and then glued and screwed back on
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0675_zps8667d3be.jpg
Here it is routered with 1/2 inch turn down
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0676_zps337423e9.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0690_zps2dfa6a19.jpg
Doing some more dry fitting today. Set up the steering and binnacle. Fine tuned and routered starboard hatch cover. Just a little to damp for me to lay glass today.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0712_zps08572d8b.jpg
So I decided that I've built everything else on this boat then why not build my own switch panel. Well here it is,made out of aluminum its gonna primed with aluminum primer and epoxy primed and then finish painted white. I also cut the hole out for my tach gauge
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0713_zps2781a4d7.jpg
Here's how my console will be setup unless I make an electronics box for the t-top. I prefer to keep all electronics close to the power source for maintenance and wiring purposes.

[Blue_Runner]

Dayum....I love it. Keep on keepin on Matt....:clap:

[Destroyer]

I prefer to keep all electronics close to the power source for maintenance and wiring purposes.

Smart move. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that snaking wires thru the pipe to the T top is a real pain, especially if you do it a few at a time as you add electronics. Your panel looks awesome. Nice job Kracker.

[reelapeelin]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0712_zps08572d8b.jpg
So I decided that I've built everything else on this boat then why not build my own switch panel. Well here it is,made out of aluminum its gonna primed with aluminum primer and epoxy primed and then finish painted white. I also cut the hole out for my tach gauge
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/IMAG0713_zps2781a4d7.jpg
Here's how my console will be setup unless I make an electronics box for the t-top. I prefer to keep all electronics close to the power source for maintenance and wiring purposes.

Normally I lean toward flush mounting electronics...but I REALLY LIKE the way that sets up!!...and yer switch panel's ROCKIN'...:party:

[Kracker Jack]

Thanks everyone for the kind words. I told myself in the beggining this boat was gonna based off simplicity and function with minimal creature comforts. I bought all 6 of my switches on eBay for 8 dollars delivered to my door.

[Kracker Jack]

I sold my t-top yesterday, I sold for 50 dollars more than what I paid for it so im in good shape. The top just wasnt what I was looking for anymore. Plus its one less thing I have to work on at this point. Im gonna be picking up 3 more gallons of resin on Friday and some more 1708 to glass over the covering boards/gunwales. I just cant wait till this glass work is over. Switched all the wood accents over to mahoghony and fabricated the steering wheel base and outrigger bases.:hi:

[Kracker Jack]

I did some gelcoat yesterday. I dont understand the big hub bub about applying gelcoat? I did the easiest of application by rolling it. After consulting with my supply house they said simply apply 3 coats with pre waxed gelcoat they said like waxed resin you can apply second and third coat wet on wet with out sanding. I gelcoated my anchor rope locker and some other hard to reach areas that cant be painted once cap ply is glued. will have pics up later.

[Kracker Jack]

So at this point i have 2 restorations going, besides my boat Im also restoring this 1975 135 hp evinrude with 130 psi in three cylinders and 128 in the other, it is a family owned motor since new. I ve stripped the motor down of all trim and tilt parts,badges off the cowel, transom pivot bracket and lower unit im replacing all the seals, water intake screen,water pump housing and impellor kit. Im gonna also etch prime all bare aluminum and paint the motor all white. LIFE IS BUSY!!!!

[Curapa]

I am glad you decided to sell that top. The boat is turning out nice and that top was fugly.

The repairs I have done with gelcoat were not too bad but I could not imagine doing a whole deck with the stuff while aiming for perfection. Every little spot of peel or anything else would drive me crazy. The sanding would never be done. I have been impressed with bildgekote for things like anchor and under deck storage but I wouldn't hesitate to apply gelcoat in those areas either.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/V20%20VABEACH/P1010826_zps32b300ac.jpghttp://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/V20%20VABEACH/P1010827_zps91cc675c.jpghttp://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/V20%20VABEACH/P1010825_zps0f0ffeb9.jpg

Finally worked on the boat today. Glued the wash rail down and then glassed the whole cap from inner rail and into the exterior of the hull 1 1/2 inches.

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/imagejpeg_7_zps93ccf9ba.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/sandbridgeco/media/imagejpeg_7_zps93ccf9ba.jpg.html)

I glued the bow cap on today and the wash rail. I will be prepping the cap and getting it ready to glass in the whole thing on sunday. getting closer boys!!!!

[Kracker Jack]

I figured out a little trick today for prolonging the life of your fiber disks on your grinders. I catch myself throwing them away after they get loaded up with wax. Today I soaked one for about a minute in acetone and then stroked it with a wire brush and it came out like brandnew. Im sure this has been thought of before but I figured I'd share.

[tartuffe]

Do you have a target date for splash yet?

[Kracker Jack]

no not really. just taking it one step at a time. I have alot going on. Im hoping to have it done in about 2 months.

[reelapeelin]

no not really. just taking it one step at a time. I have alot going on. Im hoping to have it done in about 2 months.


I think that's wise...a target date as priority instead of what you want to get done is a self-imposed SQUEEZE...you're on course to have a really nice CC once yer done...and that'll happen in it's own good time...I've really enjoyed watching the progress you've made!!...:beer:

[Kracker Jack]

Thanks REEL, I am ready to fish this thing!!!

[Kracker Jack]

Thanks rain!!! Thanks alot!!! 20% is now 100%!!!!

[Destroyer]

I think that's wise...a target date as priority instead of what you want to get done is a self-imposed SQUEEZE...you're on course to have a really nice CC once yer done...and that'll happen in it's own good time...I've really enjoyed watching the progress you've made!!...:beer:

X2. This is one of the longest running threads on this board and I cannot tell you how impressed I've been with your skill and determination. I just wish we lived closer so I could personally see this dream coming to fruition. Hang in there and do what you can when you can. Don't set a target date, just keep plugging along. It will happen, I promise. :clap:

[Kracker Jack]

glassed 8 more feet of the covering boards yesterday. Each little bit of work i do gets me closer to finish. After all the glass work is done I will have help fairing the boat out and painting it. will have pics later

[Kracker Jack]

well I am happy to say that all the structual glass work is done!!!!!:sly: Its a skim and sand game now. Im gonna be rolling gell coat on the top side of this boat, 3 coats wet on wet and a 4 final coat all coats will be with waxed gelcoat. It will be gelcoated in sections, the cap will be done and completed then the the side walls of the liner will be completed and then the floor. I just dont want to paint the inside,Its a pain in the @ss and the gelcoat will be alot more durable. I also have decided im not vc performance epoxing the bottom. The gelcoat is in pretty good shape and some spots will need some attention with some matching gelcoat. I will be matching and blending my own, I wanted to learn how to do this anyway. Can I call wellcraft and get a gelcoat match from them? 1974 is a long time ago! lol!

[reelapeelin]

well I am happy to say that all the structual glass work is done!!!!!:sly: Its a skim and sand game now. Im gonna be rolling gell coat on the top side of this boat, 3 coats wet on wet and a 4 final coat all coats will be with waxed gelcoat. It will be gelcoated in sections, the cap will be done and completed then the the side walls of the liner will be completed and then the floor. I just dont want to paint the inside,Its a pain in the @ss and the gelcoat will be alot more durable. I also have decided im not vc performance epoxing the bottom. The gelcoat is in pretty good shape and some spots will need some attention with some matching gelcoat. I will be matching and blending my own, I wanted to learn how to do this anyway. Can I call wellcraft and get a gelcoat match from them? 1974 is a long time ago! lol!


Back in 1999 when I was redoing my '74 I called wellcraft and had a good, informative conversation w one of their techs...I would think they will be able to provide color numbers for you...if not I recall seeing "Wellcraft White" on a list of available colors...well lookie here what googled up

http://www.iboats.com/Wellcraft-2008-2009-Off-White-VAL-Color-Boat-Gel-Coat-Gallon-Spectrum-Color/dm/view_id.834133?cm_mmc=Google_Main-_-Mall+Product+Listings%3AGoogle-_-+%3AMall+Product+Listings%3AGoogle-_-Spectrum+Color&kw={keyword}&gclid=CKH1xN-xnbcCFU1o7Aod6CoAJg

This is obviously for later models, but might be what yer looking for...you'll have to check it out for yourself...good luck and let us know...and HEY!!...whaddabout them PICTURES??...:drool:

The LINK isn't coming up...Google Wellcraft White or copy/paste the above into your address bar see what comes up...

[Kracker Jack]

thanks for the info reel. I dont understand why guys dont fair with gelgoat? its cheap,feathers and sands beautifully and can be thickened to your liking. at 40 dollars a gallon I ccould roll 3 coats on and still have to sand just as much if i was using a fairing compound!! gelcoat is very easy to work with it seems so far

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/GELCOAT3_zpse79597a6.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/sandbridgeco/media/GELCOAT3_zpse79597a6.jpg.html)

all glassed up and roughly blocked in.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/GELCOAT4_zpsd586143e.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/sandbridgeco/media/GELCOAT4_zpsd586143e.jpg.html)
as you can see the floor penatration have been hotcoated then one strip of CSM around the perimeter and 3 coats of gelcoat.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/GELCOAT5_zpsee08f3e5.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/sandbridgeco/media/GELCOAT5_zpsee08f3e5.jpg.html)

all holes that go thru the core ply are hotcoated and 3 coats of gelcoat are to follow. the key is to seal up all wood properly. all holes holes in the transom are treated the same. the holes on the transom are over drilled by a 1/2 inch then refilled with a fiber reinforced thickend resin then 2 layers of CSM are glassed on like patches on both sides. I then redrill my holes and its protected by a 1/4 inch ring of glass. then i put 2 coats of gelcoat on the holes. Its completely overboard but I just want to protect my core ply

[Kracker Jack]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/BEER_zps35608d73.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/sandbridgeco/media/BEER_zps35608d73.jpg.html)

Takes alot of beer to grease this wheel!!!!:you:

[draglink]

Lookin good Kracker! That console really gives that custom look!

You also have EXCELLENT taste in beer my friend, nothin' beats an ice cold Fatty Natty!!

[reelapeelin]

I like the way yer sealin' those holes!!...why go to all the trouble you have and NOT overkill sealin' the core...gotta be the number 1 cause of transom failure...plus it LOOKS KILLER!!...:clap:

[Kracker Jack]

I actually have 2 projects in 1 happening on this boat. Im also astetically restoring my 1975 135hp evinrude. The whole lower end is getting new seals and painted. the trim and tilt bracket was sand blasted and shown here is etch primed as of today. the whole motor will shot with epoxy kote and then painted Evinrude White. heres some pics of the process.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/OUTBOARD_zps705fff41.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/sandbridgeco/media/OUTBOARD_zps705fff41.jpg.html)http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/OUTBOARD1_zps7050ba78.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/sandbridgeco/media/OUTBOARD1_zps7050ba78.jpg.html)
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/sandbridgeco/OUTBOARD2_zpsbca355f3.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/sandbridgeco/media/OUTBOARD2_zpsbca355f3.jpg.html)

[reelapeelin]

You do some GREAT WORK, Kracker!!...just me, but if I's paintin' motor and boat, I'd paint 'em same color instead of two different whites...like I said...just me...I can't wait to see it if it PINK!!...lol...:party:

[Kracker Jack]

You do some GREAT WORK, Kracker!!...just me, but if I's paintin' motor and boat, I'd paint 'em same color instead of two different whites...like I said...just me...I can't wait to see it if it PINK!!...lol...:party:

reel the boat is gonna rolled with gelcoat and not painted. I might just paint it with a brightside interlux white

[tartuffe]

Nice to have it all coming together at the same time! I'm going to have to wait a season to fix my cowling up. I wish you would go ahead and shoot it with some pearl white so you can tell us how you ended up with great results and save me some reading and sanding. Pearl white with new decals sure would look sharp reflecting those under-gunnel lights

[reelapeelin]

reel the boat is gonna rolled with gelcoat and not painted. I might just paint it with a brightside interlux white


Setting aside the process...I just always thought boat color and motor color when the same looked pretty cool custom...;)

[Kracker Jack]

Setting aside the process...I just always thought boat color and motor color when the same looked pretty cool custom...;)
I completely agree with you on the motor color and top side color. Im gonna try and get the color as close as possible. I have a new product Im researching now. I have an engineer at work getting some info on a rubber roof coating that is the same material used to coat fiberglass tanks and industrial equipment. They just used this product on a job and it costs 30 dollars a gallon and is uv stable comes in white,grey and light green. we will see!!!

[Kracker Jack]

well my ultimate goal for finishing my deck was to use a bedliner type/kiwi grip style coating for the floor and deck cap and anchor lockers and other areas. Well after many days of research I have found alephatic product that meets my specs. Its a SRC Tempco roof coating!! thats right a roof coating, its doesnt say MARINE or WEST MARINE on it. Thats because its the same product spec but just in a roofing application. I happen to find a local vender here in va beach who sells this product and he happens to have an account with my work. So after a couple minutes of talking to this rep he is amazed that my application is gonna be on a boat because he has been begging this company to market it for the marine industry. He told me its amazing that an ole country boy like me from pungo would be the one to research this product and drive the nail home as to why it should be used for boat decks. Anyway he is giving me a 5 gallon bucket of this stuff for FREE!!!!!! Yes free!!! he wants me to help him get this on product on boats. This could not only end up being good stuff for my boat but also a buisness adventure!!! So it official, all my top side will be done in a alephatic bedliner type non skid, color will be white.:sly:

[draglink]

Hey Kracker, let us more know about this stuff. I will be putting a new floor in my sons V soon!

[Kracker Jack]

Hey Kracker, let us more know about this stuff. I will be putting a new floor in my sons V soon!
I will. Im picking it up on Friday and will be doing some tests on some things throughout the weekend and hopefully rolling it on the boat by monday.

[reelapeelin]

I will. Im picking it up on Friday and will be doing some tests on some things throughout the weekend and hopefully rolling it on the boat by monday.

Nice goin'!!...my only concern is ADHESION...in a roof application, what material is it typically applied to?...will it bond to the present gel coat surface on the floor deck of yer boat?...

[Kracker Jack]

Nice goin'!!...my only concern is ADHESION...in a roof application, what material is it typically applied to?...will it bond to the present gel coat surface on the floor deck of yer boat?...
The problem is going be to much adhesion!!! once applied it will take c-4 to remove it!!. they apply this stuff over rubber membrane,masonary,plastics,frp (fiberglass), epoxy and even some asphalt applications. There is gonna be no problem with sticking. This is actually the same alephatic compound as kiwi grip or gorrilla grip just doesnt have the chunky chips in it. Its a smooth surface. comes out finished with a 35 mil. thickness.

[draglink]

Could I have used a similar product on my motorhome roof? If so, that's awesome stuff....I've used it for numerous applications around the house. What color does it go on? The stuff I use is white, sold by gallon or 5 gallon

[Kracker Jack]

The only way I can explain it is that its a polyurethane sealant coating. kinda like 3m 5200, but 5200 is a aromatic witch is not very uv stable and not very color retentive (5200 chaulks up after a while and yellows). this compound is a aliphatic witch was made for top coating aromatics. Being aliphatic makes it a super coating which is highly uv stable and holds its color retention for a very very very long time. Theres only one down fall to this stuff, If i decide to take it off one day its gonna be impossible!!!! lol!!!

[Kracker Jack]

Well the day is good!!! the rep. for SRC drove literally 30 minutes to my house just to give me a free 5 gallon bucket of this coating. he is very anxious to see how my application comes out. He also mentioned if this works out the way he expects it to that he is willing to want to start trying to market this stuff for the marine industry. Kinda exciting thing to be a guinne pig. should be doing some testing on saturday afternoon over raw glass and gel coat. My liner will and side of my cockpit will be primed and painted with perfection but all my imediate deck and cap with rolled with this product.

[Destroyer]

Kracker, is this stuff like RhinoLiner for truck beds? If it is than I put similar stuff on my V21's boat deck 2 years ago and it's amazing how nice it is. And yes, if you ever have to remove it you're gonna hate it.

[Kracker Jack]

Kracker, is this stuff like RhinoLiner for truck beds? If it is than I put similar stuff on my V21's boat deck 2 years ago and it's amazing how nice it is. And yes, if you ever have to remove it you're gonna hate it.

Yes its the same stuff but doesnt have as much solids in it than rhino liner has. meaning its not as agressive as rhino lining. Its very feet friendly

[Kracker Jack]

Heres a prime example of a company that put a marine label on the roof coating im using on my boat. Notice it say E.P.D.M chips in it? what do you think rubber membrane is on flat roofs? you got it EPDM. Same $hit just in a different sack.http://www.tuffcoat.net/wordpress/ and did i mention the stuff im using is fire resistant, so if she catches fire were good!!!!! lol!!!

[Destroyer]

Yes its the same stuff but doesnt have as much solids in it that rhino liner has. meaning its not as agressive as rhino lining. Its very feet friendly

I didn't use Rhino Liner per sec. I just used that name cause everyone knows the product. For the life of me I cannot remember the name right now and I'm too lazy to look up the thread here where I talked about the product I used and it's name. The product I used is very soft on bare feet. But I can tell you that it goes on easy and once on it will take an act of Congress and the will of God to remove it. It was recommended to me by a friend that owns a marina. He told me they use it on boat decks, the floating docks and the areas around them as a non skid surface. Claimed it was better than anything else they had tried. I'm betting that you're going to be very happy with the results.

[Kracker Jack]

I hope so because it will be on there for a while like you said. This product im using has no aggregate in it so its gonna be nice and comfy on the bare feet.:beer: