Opinion of the President

[TheTinMan]

From the NY Times today:

"The personal savings rate of Americans has fallen below zero for the first time since the Great Depression."

[bigshrimpin]

Man . . . do I wish it was 1999 again.

[willy]

It would be the same problem, picking the lesser of two evils. Even so we definetly got the lesser of the two evils, by a good margin. I truly cannot imagine how much worse our plight would have been, I know some can't see that but I know in spite of the defieciencies he has we are very very lucky Mr. Internet is not there.

[bigshrimpin]

A few weeks ago, I was fishing by the old mothball fleet (graveyard for decommisioned battleship). Fishing was slow and I started to think about the size of the ships and the work it must have taken just to design and assemble just one ship. Men come up with the most amazing creative contraptions with no other purpose than to kill each other. We utilize so much of our resources building battleships, bombs, tanks, guns, planes, missles, and a million other leathal devices . . . rather that trying to resolve or differences. Asserting dominance over another group of people and forcing them to give up resources and live a certain way does not resolve any of the underlying issues.

The UN was set up for the purpose of maintaining peace and resolving conflict b/w countries after ww2.

I strongly believe Bush should be prosecuted for war crimes . . . especially since the reasons he gave for going into war were bull****. We've killed 30,000+ inocent iraqi civilians for reasons that turned out to be untrue, violated the UN charter, and people are still defending this ****head president.

When the world trade center buildings fell and 2000+ americans died . . . how many people in this country we're touched in someway . . . a friend of a friend, someones uncle, an old classmate, or a close relative. How upset were you? Hell . . . stupid people in this country attacked anyone that looked like an iraqi. That was only 2000 people.

Imagine what it's like in Iraq. 30,000 uncles, mothers, sisters, brothers, relatives are dead b/c of our *** hole president and some greedy oil companies. How do you think they feel about our country? especially being occupied.

Why do we toletate this and defend Bush?

Besides taking away our freedoms, spending all the surplus funds, and taking a big **** on our country . . . why do we still defend him?

[Franco]

Hey Big, Thats an insughtful position. I am sorry for what we have wasted, our resources, our dignity, our ability to lead by positive example. We wasted lives of our children, regardless of nationality. We always will have differences, but we could respect and embrace those differences. This country is a melting pot of differences. We are only 232 years old as a country, we are still evolving as a culture. Many of the people we have a "problem" with have centuries of culture and customs behind them. I just hope Bush isn't our Nero fiddeling while our Rome burns. You run and I'll vote for you.

P.S. Just read it to my wife, she would vote for you also.

Bigshrimpin... very insightful. Johns Hopkins did a comprehensive study last year on the amount of innocent Iraqis killed, since the Rumsfeld's Pentagon does not track it. Their estimate was over 90,000 Iraqis. That's one and a half times the number of US killed in Viet Nam. No wonder why we are so hated all over the world.

[willy]

BS I agree that it certainly would be a wonderful world if our resources were put to advancing the human condition. In fact along with a few other countries this country has contributed untold billions to advancing that condition all over the world.
But the problem is this world is not like a John Lennon song. It is full of humans of ill intention and evil goals.
Those big ships you are fishing around probably have engines in them that men like my father, a merchant marine engineer installed in them. Those ships were built, those planes were built and those rifles etc. were built to ensure freedoms for us and they have done so very well indeed.
Thank God.
A number has been quoted here of 30,000 dead in Iraq. Because of G.W! That is so preposterous that I will not even comment on it. That is pure political diatribe and quoting info, or for that fact obtaining any info as fact that comes out of a major University is like baseing your opinions on what Pravda reports to its people, in fact they are almost always the same. Interesting!
In one 2 hour long attack on his own people with a toxic nerve gas (WMD) Saddam killed over 70,000 of his own people, intentionally, with purpose.
Mass graves are turned up every day, mass brutal rapes, butchering of children slaughter of unarmed civilians by the hundreds of thousands was the norm while that wonderful world entity the UN stood by and debated and toyed with what to do for over a decade while facilities to build nuclear weapons were pursued and that wonderful group of nations were involved in a world fraud to provide him with weapons and money to further his goals in the name of oil for food programs.
Are we perfect BS no not by a long shot, but to refer to our actions as criminal and world dominating is so far off kilter that I really don't know what to say.
I remember that picture of John Lennon wearing those cute little rectangular glasses he was famous for wearing. Did you ever notice the color of the lenses Rose.
I hope we remain strong, I hope we can make things better in the world but until they elect you King BS and you outlaw evil men we will need all those trappings you and many others find distastefull.
We would also do well to step back from political motives and look at the great things this country has done for the world and how so much better it is than anything else the good Lord has allowed to flourish in the history of this planet . I to dream of a day when I don't have to worry about my sons going off to war, have to sweat a draft and watch their friends die like I had to. But I will not stick my head in the sand and pray the UN will save the day or my butt. And if Jaque Chirac or Chancellor Kohl or Putin or Saddam and the latest Shiek or Mullah has a problem with my attitude that tells me I'm (we) are doing something right.
So next time you leave the left coast and want to have a beer and talk about it let me know, got room in my V20 for everyone.

[willy]

Ok I'm done, no more political stuff, going back to boating and fishing. Only things that seem to make sense anymore ;D

[TheTinMan]

Originally Posted by willy

In one 2 hour long attack on his own people with a toxic nerve gas (WMD) Saddam killed over 70,000 of his own people, intentionally, with purpose.

Willy, I think these stats are way off. The town was Halabja, which had a population of 70,000. There was an estimated 3200-5000 Iraqi's gassed. Still quite a tragedy but not 70,000 dead.

I am in no way supporting that whacko Saddam, just trying to keep the facts straight.


http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...02/0828gas.htm

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

[TheTinMan]

Oh.............................................BS FOR PRESIDENT!!!