Going to check out a '93 tomorrow

[reelapeelin]

Nah... at least the first winter, he'll either be workin' on it or sleepin' in it like I did w/mine :D

[chesapeake724]

NADA and BUC are in general agreement about the hull. It's somewhere in the $6-$6300 range, and I'm very confident it's as structurally sound as it looks. There isn't a flex, bubble, or hollow sound to be found anywhere, and the unpainted bottom isn't hiding anything. I didn't even see any superficial gelcoat/spider cracks, and no they haven't been painted over. The trailer is in good shape as well, so let's say that's $1000 for a tandem w/ brakes and tires in decent shape. Replacement, would be $1600.00 minimum. So, we're up to $7-7300 for hull and trailer. Big picture-wise, I would pay $10k for this hull with reliable power and little to no risk of further investment.

I'm thinking of pitching $8300 to the salesman. If he knows the engine's worth more than $1-1300, then the onus would be on him to prove it to me with hard evidence before we finalize the number to the owner. That's when he has to earn his brokerage cut by giving up some more proof on the mechanicals. I know he has to make a buck, but he's not going to make it off me by selling a boat with a bum motor. Everything is contingent upon sea trial, so if it idles rough, has a hard time shifting, runs hot, won't pee, etc. then even without an intensive mechanical exam, I can still decline.

SK, While I've been looking for my first Steplift, this isn't my first boat. I know that your investment is year round and enjoyment is 8 or 9 months. I been through a worse situation: putting a boat up for sale in late Spring and having it not sell by Fall. Carrying that payment through the winter so you can sell in the Spring is a greater torture than paying the note on a boat you intend to keep. ;)

I'll probably call the guy tomorrow to see what he says about my figure. I can't take off to formalize an offer until Friday, so we'll see if I even have to make the trip.

[bigshrimpin]

Chesapeake,
I'm certainly no model for negotiations, but $8300 seems too high for a boat with a "blown powerhead" ;) (use those words)

Tell him you've consulted a yamaha mechanic and the compression results indicate that the power needs to be rebuilt.

If he says that it's just a head gasket tell him what seakindly said "if it was just a head gasket you'd have already fixed the problem"

Tell him that your still interested in the boat if he's willing to drop the price significantly to reflect the blown powerhead and you'd like him to recalculate the price based on the average price of a rebuilt powerhead (including labor).

From iboats:

http://www.boatmotors.com/motorparts...disp=&cyl=

endor 107 :
HP CYL Description Price Core **S&H Subtotal
150-200 V6 Rebuilt, Rebuilt $3625.00 $400.00 Call Us $4025.00 View
Vendor 2 : For over 17 years we have been dedicated to providing our dealer network with the highest quality sterndrive and outboard components known in the industry.

HP CYL Description Price Core **S&H Subtotal
200 6 Rebuilt $3047.06 $500.00 $136 $3683.56 View
200 6 Rebuilt, Prov200 $3047.06 $500.00 $136 $3683.56 View
Vendor 3 : After 17 years of continual growth, we have achieved recognition in the industry for excellence in quality of workmanship and product integrity.

HP CYL Description Price Core **S&H Subtotal
200 V6 Rebuilt, 3.544 bore, 4 post, large crank $3432.19 $750.00 Free $4182.19 View
Vendor 4 : After more than 10 years supplying marine customers with more than 50,000 high-quality remanufactured engines we have become a world leader in two-stroke engine remanufacturing

HP CYL Description Price Core **S&H Subtotal
175-200 V6 Rebuilt $3373.75 Core First Free $3373.75 View
200 V6 Rebuilt $3373.75 Core First Free $3373.75 View

[bigshrimpin]

EDS Marine Superstore Prices:

http://www.edsmarinesuperstore.com/yard_sale_motors.htm

4 stroke Johnson 225 => $9999

CPK,

6300 - hull
1000 - trailer
7300 - total

Offer him 7000 to get it started. Pay more based on what you feel the motor is worth.

If you offer 8300, you have nowhere to go but up or home.

[bigshrimpin]

I'm probably repeating myself here . . . but

I think your best negotiating stance will come from presenting the broker with all the information (quotes, blown motor, etc. ) and letting him come up with a number.

v21 in "superclean" condition boat, motor, trailer = $9800

we now know that the engine is blown and needs to be rebuilt.
(present him with the quotes for a rebuild from iboats)

given all this information . . . . ask the broker what he thinks is a fair price for the rebuild.

This way your negotiating for the value of the boat based on the price of a rebuild - which is something you can get quotes for . . .

Keep in mind that the rebuild prices on iboats don't include labor.

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also if you do buy this boat . . . . you might consider a new 150 yamaha 2 stroke from eds for $6200 . . . . b/c you have all the controls, gauges and rigging, prop.

Nah ... too much work.

I'd offer him 7000, citing the blown powerhead not being worth crap. And if the broker disagreed, I would tell him to save me the trouble and take it off himself.

[chesapeake724]

Didn't call the guy today, got too busy at work. I'm hot on the hull, but I'm with you guys: the more I think about the motor, the lower my bid for the whole rig goes. During our first discussion, he said someone offered $6800 and he said that he didn't even bother the owner with bringing that figure to him. But then he didn't substantiate why the motor is worth something. Now that I've calmed down a bit about the boat, I think the best way is to start low and have a little fun with the show the salesguy puts on.

The adventure continues...

Friday is October 1st.

Time is on your side. 8)

[bigshrimpin]

At least you know your highest bidder and in the ball park with your offer. 7k can buy a nice v20 with a working engine . . . . just something to consider.