Poacher got busted today

[parishht]

I've read the thread a couple times through and I am still confused.

Is it just the charter and commercial guys that have to worry about
the three miles or is it everyone?

and if it is everyone, how does one find out about these laws?

[THEFERMANATOR]

EVERYONE has to worry about these rules. I know here in FLORIDA the top of our state regulations list's how far out that there waters apply. Beyond that you have to refer to the appropriate GULF or SOUTH ATLANTIC recreational rules and regulations as well as closed areas and parks. Not to mention they are now allowed to revise the rules and regulations monthly now, and it is the fishermans responsibility to check before going fishing. There out to take the fun out of fishing.

[Stillrunning]

Originally Posted by parishht

I've read the thread a couple times through and I am still confused.

Is it just the charter and commercial guys that have to worry about
the three miles or is it everyone?

and if it is everyone, how does one find out about these laws?

Its everyone because after three miles its federal waters and there are federal restrictions on stripers. It is listed with all the other rules about striper fishing and reads like this.

Federal water striped bass regulations: Atlantic Ocean waters beyond the 3 mile limit are closed to the taking and possession of striped bass all year.

[garagenc]

The Poacher said he got a ticket inside the 3 mile line but did state that he had gone outside the 3 mile limit while running to hthe area he wanted to fish. The coasties looked at his GPS and verified he had run outside the limit but he argued he did not stop and fish.

Here's his story I copied from his web site:

Fishing was slow with all the slick calm and 70 degree weather and I was headed up towards the Eastern shore when some bait was spotted and a few birds. I stopped to check it out and nothing,trolled around and came up without a bite, again I state NOTHING.....The whole time this was going on a helicopter had been flying all over the ocean,we saw him but what the heck we're setting there eating nabs and drinking cokes,no worries. So I move on and a buddy tells me about some bait and a few gannets hitting so I set out there. We start whacking them,doubles,singles set back out another double-it was getting good. Then about an 45 minutes goes by and here comes a boarding officer-WE HAVE 2 STRIPERS ON WHEN HE PULLS UP! He acknowledges that we are 2.5 miles off the beach and in legal waters but we take our lines in-all 9 of them. He asks me what I was doing in the EEZ earlier and I say looking for something to catch which didn't happen and it's not illegal to be in the EEZ as long as you don't have stripers. While this is going on several boats in the area are still catching stripers,again in legal waters-right inside of me. 3 hours later after who knows how many phone calls he gives me a ticket for Possession of striped bass in the EEZ,but I was boarded in state waters while engaged in fishing-I WASN'T IN THE EEZ! How can you get a ticket for possession of striped bass in the EEZ when you are not in the EEZ and have possession while fishing in state waters! I asked if it was illegal to be in the EEZ and was told no,so what did that have to do with me fishing in state waters-I don't get it!
Any way they gave me a ticket and took the striped bas,at least they feed the homeless-life goes on.

So the morale of the story is: when you leave Rudee heading for Cape Charles,a 1 mile out straight line will take you several miles into the EEZ while crossing the bay. If you are seen stopping, later that afternoon while fishing off Cape Henry you could get a ticket for possession in the EEZ even though you are in state waters, just based on a hypothetical situation that you may have landed some earlier with no proof.

[parishht]

3 miles is nothing.

What about the commercial guys,
why don't they get boarded and searched for illeagle by catch?
I don't mean commercial charters, I mean the huge boats with drag nets.

[garagenc]

I agree parishht, they should be .

[THEFERMANATOR]

They should be held liable, but bull$hit and politics rule the world. And the commercial fishing guys have the money and bull to keep it going there way for the most part.

[Stillrunning]

Originally Posted by garagenc

The Poacher said he got a ticket inside the 3 mile line but did state that he had gone outside the 3 mile limit while running to hthe area he wanted to fish. The coasties looked at his GPS and verified he had run outside the limit but he argued he did not stop and fish.

Here's his story I copied from his web site:

Fishing was slow with all the slick calm and 70 degree weather and I was headed up towards the Eastern shore when some bait was spotted and a few birds. I stopped to check it out and nothing,trolled around and came up without a bite, again I state NOTHING.....The whole time this was going on a helicopter had been flying all over the ocean,we saw him but what the heck we're setting there eating nabs and drinking cokes,no worries. So I move on and a buddy tells me about some bait and a few gannets hitting so I set out there. We start whacking them,doubles,singles set back out another double-it was getting good. Then about an 45 minutes goes by and here comes a boarding officer-WE HAVE 2 STRIPERS ON WHEN HE PULLS UP! He acknowledges that we are 2.5 miles off the beach and in legal waters but we take our lines in-all 9 of them. He asks me what I was doing in the EEZ earlier and I say looking for something to catch which didn't happen and it's not illegal to be in the EEZ as long as you don't have stripers. While this is going on several boats in the area are still catching stripers,again in legal waters-right inside of me. 3 hours later after who knows how many phone calls he gives me a ticket for Possession of striped bass in the EEZ,but I was boarded in state waters while engaged in fishing-I WASN'T IN THE EEZ! How can you get a ticket for possession of striped bass in the EEZ when you are not in the EEZ and have possession while fishing in state waters! I asked if it was illegal to be in the EEZ and was told no,so what did that have to do with me fishing in state waters-I don't get it!
Any way they gave me a ticket and took the striped bas,at least they feed the homeless-life goes on.

So the morale of the story is: when you leave Rudee heading for Cape Charles,a 1 mile out straight line will take you several miles into the EEZ while crossing the bay. If you are seen stopping, later that afternoon while fishing off Cape Henry you could get a ticket for possession in the EEZ even though you are in state waters, just based on a hypothetical situation that you may have landed some earlier with no proof.

You need to read what he said in the first three sentences of his statement. He clearly states that he stopped and fished over three miles but without a bite. He knows that is illegal and just because they did not catch any fish does not change the law. It says its illegal to target stripers out side of the three mile and from what I have read he does not deny this he just states that he did not catch any stripers.

[Stillrunning]

Originally Posted by parishht

3 miles is nothing.

What about the commercial guys,
why don't they get boarded and searched for illeagle by catch?
I don't mean commercial charters, I mean the huge boats with drag nets.

Well the nets that they are using in our area have holes large enough in the nets for the stripers to swim through and they are mainly catching sharks at this time. Now the menhaden boats are allowed a certain amount of bycatch but they cannot target stripers and I'm not sure if they can go over the tree mile line.

[Blue_Runner]

How ironic that the name of the boat is:

Poacher