cop question...

[tsubaki]

Those camera's really get up my butt, however come to find out the ticket is NOT a moving violation.
I know there is some talk the camera's are unconstitutional because you can't face your accuser. Yet they are still on the poles and people are paying the tickets. :P

[randlemanboater]

Originally Posted by Kajun

does a cop need probable cause to pull over someone? or can he pull people over at just cause he wants too?

The standard in the US for making a stop, (vehicle or otherwise) is that you must have "reasonable suspicion" (RS) that a person has or may have committed a crime. *This rule came from the US Supreme Court in "Terry v Ohio".


An example of "RS" would be that a cop see's a person behind a building downtown at 3 am. *He can detain the person to see what he is doing because it is "reasonable" to believe a person behind a building at 3 am may be getting ready to or may have committed a crime (breaking and entering for example). *Now if the cop stops the person and he finds that he is carrying a bag full of loot and has a prybar, now there is "probable cause" to arrest the person.

If the person had IDed himself as the cleaning person for the business who was on a smoke break, and it proved to be so, then the "RS" goes away and the person may no longer be detained.

To make a charge or to arrest, the officer must have "probable cause".

However, some cops who are charged with enforceing certain laws such as Federal Commercial Motor Vehicle laws, or boating laws, are allowed to stop people at random. There will be specific statutes spelling out exactly what type of vehicles they can stop without RS.

Hope this helps.

[tsubaki]

I was reasonabily stopped at 10:30PM in Richmond Hill because it was "suspicious" that I had a refrigerator and dolly in the back of my pickup (helping my cousin move). I was so "suspicious" that I was given a breathalyser test, when I asked after the fact what was going on the polite officer said "I thought it was odd having a refrigerator in the truck at night" and about the breathalyser "well most people moving furniture will refresh themselves, especially with friends".
Probable cause my *** (my a$$). They exercise as many ways around the laws as what we do and I don't hold it against them.

[tsubaki]

Oh I can go on and on.
The same cousin I helped move was ticketed for speeding, (this was once he wasen't). The Officer in court explained to the judge after being questioned how he asertained said defendant was speeding "I heard him". The judge said excuse me? The officer repeated "he sounded as if he was going fast". The judge looked at my cousin and said "dismissed and sargent (forgot his name) I need to speak to you in private".

[tsubaki]

I especially love (not just like but love) the ability of the military police. They can disassemble your vehicle at the drop of a hat searching for contraban. I hunt and fish on a military reservation and if you ain't got your ducks in a row you shouldn't be there.
If more rights were given (back) to the regular police force in the name of public safety I would have no problem with it.

[tsubaki]

And let's get into the subject of "weaveing". This is the act of moving left and right with your car inside of the yellow and white lines. In Georgia there is no such probable cause for pulling people over without crossing over either of these lines in the road. Yet it has been the common practice to stop people for said weaveing. At a party I had the opportunity to hear a retired policeman tell of a rookie he chastised for pulling a driver for it. The reason for the correction was, if it went to court it could possibly thrown out because there is no law against "weaveing" inside the lines.

[tsubaki]

Allright, I'm beating a dead horse.
The main distinction is "can" or "cannot" or "may" or "maynot".
He "maynot" be able to pull you over without "probable cause", but he "can".

[parishht]

Ok, isn't an unmarked police car entrapment?

I like this one,
about 15 years ago, I was on vacation with my family
in Ohio. I was driving past Wright Pat Air Force base
and doing about 75 in a 65, keeping with traffic.
I look up in the air, and there is a small plane painted camo. I think must be a pilot on maneuvers.
5 miles down the road, there is a state trooper
standing in my lane pointing at me to pull over.

All I can say to him is camo plane, he says you got it.
Luckily they took credit cards at that time.

[msbhammer]

I just got off duty this morning, so I'm pleading the 5th here. ;D

[tsubaki]

Don't go to South Carolina if you don"t like unmarked cars.
They have the best of everything to stop you with even if it was on the Autobahn, tinted windows,dual exhaust,some sleepers (cars that don't look fast but are faster than fast).
I love traveling thru SC and recognising these cars.