This spells it out

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Blue_Runner

Which part makes it racist? Using the name Jose?

Bingo. Give that man a Ceeegar

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

But it wasn't. It was Joe and Jose. Jose is exclusively a Spanish name and that made the post racist.

I don't disagree with you about your comments on voting blocks or anything else, just take out the racism and make it Joe1 and joe2 and you got my vote.

That's splitting hairs and taking political correctness to far IMHO. So lets call them Jose legal and Jose illegal. No change, but it makes it PC. As for the math, I'm not going there. After having my wifes income cut in half this year with the new taxes and BS they stuck teachers with in our district this year, and me not able to bring in much money raising our son. I know the money crunch all to well. And it REALLY boils my blood knowing all those ILLEGALS that were in teh hospital popping out anchor babies when my wife gave birth were covered 100%, meanwhile we ended up shelling out close to $10K last year for medical even with her platinum lined Blue Cross state policy.

[willy]

And there it is, Destroyer I get your point but frankly I feel that being politically correct is not my thing.
So a definition from a book can be stretched to make basically any discussion racist and thus we have the leftist use of PC speech to silence thought and discussion.
So, do we currently have a huge problem with millions of thief's in the night stealing across our border from JAPAN. No we don't, we have 11 to 18 MILLION illegal immigrants and yes, Jose and Juan is a common name amongst them.
So the politically correct version would be to refer to them as undocumented persons.
To me they are illegal aliens, they have committed crimes against our nation and in spite of that our people, you know the RACIST people have been footing the bill for them for decades.
So Jose is different from Joe. And this being America, Joe is going to point that out and not be silenced or muffled by the PC Police.
Jose is different not because he speaks spanish or the color of his skin. Jose is different because he snuck across the desert, in the middle of the night and dug a tunnel under the border and is now sitting in our country illegally and mean while millions of people from other nations in the world have been doing it legally to emigrate to the U.S. but can't do to the small numbers we can let in here. Do you know why? Because of all the Jose's here which are already living off the system.
There, I said it.
Racist me.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by willy

And there it is, Destroyer I get your point but frankly I feel that being politically correct is not my thing.
So a definition from a book can be stretched to make basically any discussion racist and thus we have the leftist use of PC speech to silence thought and discussion.
So, do we currently have a huge problem with millions of thief's in the night stealing across our border from JAPAN. No we don't, we have 11 to 18 MILLION illegal immigrants and yes, Jose and Juan is a common name amongst them.
So the politically correct version would be to refer to them as undocumented persons.
To me they are illegal aliens, they have committed crimes against our nation and in spite of that our people, you know the RACIST people have been footing the bill for them for decades.
So Jose is different from Joe. And this being America, Joe is going to point that out and not be silenced or muffled by the PC Police.
Jose is different not because he speaks spanish or the color of his skin. Jose is different because he snuck across the desert, in the middle of the night and dug a tunnel under the border and is now sitting in our country illegally and mean while millions of people from other nations in the world have been doing it legally to emigrate to the U.S. but can't do to the small numbers we can let in here. Do you know why? Because of all the Jose's here which are already living off the system.
There, I said it.
Racist me.

Oh really? So you will condem and lump in the millions upon millions of LEGAL Spanish immigrants (and there are far more of them than the illegal varity) with the illegal Spanish immigrants? I'm not being pollitically correct. Don't you dare try and hang that label on me. I don't speak PC. Ya, there are tons of Juans and Jose's living off the system, but there are also tons of LEGAL Juans and Joses paying INTO the system. They are legal and they pay their taxes and they complain about the illegals just the same as we do. All I'm saying is don't condem them because of the actions of some of their countrymen. If you use an exclusively Spanish name then you are targeting a particular race of people, and that makes it racist. Don't you see that?

Look, I have no patience with illegal immigrants. It took me 10 years and over $20,000 dollars to get my second cousin here from Poland. (And she was a registered nurse with a college degree). So I'm the last person in the world that tollerates people that come here illegally. But I WILL NOT condem an entire race of people for the actions of a (relatively speaking) few.

The post was inaccurate and racist, and it has no place here. We're better than that.

[RidgeRunner]

Subscribed. -I already have an opinion. I really don't like system, or the folks that abuse it. Whatever your race, shame on you for playing the race card when someone is just trying to illustrate how working the system pays better than working a real job.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

That's splitting hairs and taking political correctness to far IMHO. So lets call them Jose legal and Jose illegal. No change, but it makes it PC. As for the math, I'm not going there. After having my wifes income cut in half this year with the new taxes and BS they stuck teachers with in our district this year, and me not able to bring in much money raising our son. I know the money crunch all to well. And it REALLY boils my blood knowing all those ILLEGALS that were in teh hospital popping out anchor babies when my wife gave birth were covered 100%, meanwhile we ended up shelling out close to $10K last year for medical even with her platinum lined Blue Cross state policy.

No, using "Jose" is what makes it racist. Use Joe or Bob or Bill or John or whatever generic name you want and I'm with ya all the way. Just don't use somethig that is exclusively tied to one particular race.

Look, I'm NOT condoning the actions of the illegals. If it was up to me I'd put them all in jail, make them work to pay off their debt to our society, and then ship them all back to whatever country they came from. Condoning them has never been my position. All I'm saying is that there is a huge population of legal immigrants, from the same countries that the illegals came from, that do not deserve to be lumped into the same pot with the illegal varity. Doing so is wrong. It's not being politically correct, it's just being correct. As far as the subject of voting blocks, money cuts, anchor babies, etc., etc., goes I'm with ya. I don't like it any more than you do. My wife also works for the state, and I also have seen the pay cuts just like you have. But I'm just not going to condem my friends because their names happen to be Spanish in origin. I think Hitler did that a few years ago with anyone who's name's happened to end with Stein or Berg etc. I'm not going there.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

No, using "Jose" is what makes it racist. Use Joe or Bob or Bill or John or whatever generic name you want and I'm with ya all the way. Just don't use somethig that is exclusively tied to one particular race.

I know we don't agree on this, but this statement is the DEFINITION of PC run amuck. So in the interest of "fairness" lets make it habib legal, and jose illegal, or any other HUNDREDS of names that would make it more PC. Simply because they chose names that would relate easier to people in NO way makes it racist.

[RidgeRunner]

No winning the debate, just a steaming hill of the days BS to stir the masses. It really doesn't matter at the end because nobody has accomplished anything to correct what is wrong.
Arguments of illegal immigration are riddled with emotions because the first step taken by any illegal immigrant was to break the law. For that the taxpayers are expected to hand over the best health care, SS benefits, and govt. housing. No wonder the country is in the toilet and massively in debt. Paying out benefits to anyone that hasn't contributed should be illegal. I am not talking about Latinos Destroyer. I was referring to Obama's Kenyan auntie. The one that refused to leave the country after two Immigration judges ordered her to do so. Still living in govt. housing in MA receiving SS and still as worthless and even more dependant than ever on the system. Sorry, there are too many native-born tax-paying Americans that could use a leg up for this to be occuring. Good folks that try hard, work for a living and contribute to the system are tired of watching the illegals stealing the tax dollars from the system.
Ferman, I paid approx $6k this past year in co-insurance alone plus the premium on our 90/10 plan. They definitely have not fixed what is wrong with health care.
God bless anyone that seeks to be a citizen the legal way. If I were one, I would do just about anything to better my position, through hard work..

[willy]

Nobody lumped illegal aliens in with legal aliens, that was your leap.
My statement specifically spoke to the illegal alien.
And it most certainly PC speech police to not able to pick two common names from the two groups referred to in that piece.
Fuzzy math is one thing, even though I am willing to bet it is not as fuzzy as you think.
In fact I am dealing with apartment complexes here in NJ where hundreds of the apartments are filled with illegal Hispanics. Between Federal aid and state and township aid they are living rent free. I know they are because the only time they get evicted is when one of the agencies does not come through for some reason.
The school system is full of their children, they are not paying property taxes to cover that. I am.
They get free medical care, they are not paying for that, I am.
They work jobs in which they get paid in cash, and they have cash. No income taxes.
They shop at local Bodegas that have sprung up all over town, do you know why? Because the Bodegas do mostly cash business and don't charge taxes on a lot of items.
They get food stamps out the kazoo and the bodegas let them use them for anything. Including calls home to Honduras or Mexico or where ever. They do a lot of internet calls at these stores and get paid in food stamps.
How do I know these things, cause I see it and hear about it all the time. Been going on for more years than I can count.
There is now a whole industry in this country involving illegals getting over.
Go talk to the people in L.A, that city has a major problem with sales tax. Why? Because they have a huge underground economy based on cash in their majority Hispanic community. Their schools are filled with these kids whose parents are not paying taxes for, One reason is you have four families living in one rental,
You should see what we have going on in Flemington NJ< I go into the apartment with the landlord, One guy rents the apartment, they have the rooms with two by four and plastic walls nailed up and triple bunk beds on both sides of the room. They have twelve of fourteen people living in there.
This is going on all over this country. Trillions of dollars spent.
And we got moron politicians who base their power base on these poor people.
It is a national disgrace what we have allowed to happen in our country.
I will be damned if I am going to be PC about it.
and let me tell you, two of my brothers married beautiful Colombian girls and you want to hear some outright pissed of Hispanics, ask these two women what they think of the illegals after what their families went through to come here legally. Juan and Jose would be chewed up and spit out by these ladies.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by willy

Nobody lumped illegal aliens in with legal aliens, that was your leap.
My statement specifically spoke to the illegal alien.
And it most certainly PC speech police to not able to pick two common names from the two groups referred to in that piece.
Fuzzy math is one thing, even though I am willing to bet it is not as fuzzy as you think.
In fact I am dealing with apartment complexes here in NJ where hundreds of the apartments are filled with illegal Hispanics. Between Federal aid and state and township aid they are living rent free. I know they are because the only time they get evicted is when one of the agencies does not come through for some reason.
The school system is full of their children, they are not paying property taxes to cover that. I am.
They get free medical care, they are not paying for that, I am.
They work jobs in which they get paid in cash, and they have cash. No income taxes.
They shop at local Bodegas that have sprung up all over town, do you know why? Because the Bodegas do mostly cash business and don't charge taxes on a lot of items.
They get food stamps out the kazoo and the bodegas let them use them for anything. Including calls home to Honduras or Mexico or where ever. They do a lot of internet calls at these stores and get paid in food stamps.
How do I know these things, cause I see it and hear about it all the time. Been going on for more years than I can count.
There is now a whole industry in this country involving illegals getting over.
Go talk to the people in L.A, that city has a major problem with sales tax. Why? Because they have a huge underground economy based on cash in their majority Hispanic community. Their schools are filled with these kids whose parents are not paying taxes for, One reason is you have four families living in one rental,
You should see what we have going on in Flemington NJ< I go into the apartment with the landlord, One guy rents the apartment, they have the rooms with two by four and plastic walls nailed up and triple bunk beds on both sides of the room. They have twelve of fourteen people living in there.
This is going on all over this country. Trillions of dollars spent.
And we got moron politicians who base their power base on these poor people.
It is a national disgrace what we have allowed to happen in our country.
I will be damned if I am going to be PC about it.
and let me tell you, two of my brothers married beautiful Colombian girls and you want to hear some outright pissed of Hispanics, ask these two women what they think of the illegals after what their families went through to come here legally. Juan and Jose would be chewed up and spit out by these ladies.

Willy I agree with almost everything you spelled out here. I've never said that illegals were any good, or that the system that's sprung up around them was anything but a crock of sh!t spawned by politicians that are using these pieces of filth for ther own advantages, at the cost to you and I.

But you touched ever so gently on my point, even though you probably don't realize it. You mentioned your two brothers. You said they married beautiful Columbian ladies and that they are as pissed off as anyone else about the situation with the illegals.

BUT THE POST ABOUT JUAN LUMPED THEM RIGHT IN WITH EVERY ILLEGAL, simply because they are Spanish. The implication was that all Spanish people were illegals. Don't you see that? This isn't about whether the illegals are good or bad (they are bad) This is about whether ALL Spanish peoples are good or bad. By calling the illegal POS in the post Juan that's exactly what happened. And that's what I'm trying to point out. NOT every Spanish person is a POS illegal. Most are decent, law abiding citizens that work hard and pay their taxes just like the rest of us.....and I don't want to see them tarred with the same brush as the illegal peoples.