Liz Chaney for President ?

[Pipe_Dream]

Originally Posted by scook

I read that article and found no substance in it. It cites mainly one unnamed Canadian political scientist who makes claims about “Trumpism”, with no real specific support for the claims.

It blames right wing ideologues for fomenting unrest, even civil war, when the violence and threat of civil war that has spread around the country is clearly sourced in far left ideology.

Claims of rampant police abuse, even accusations that cops are hunting down people of color to murder them; immediate claims (even by Joe Biden), supported by the very left of center mainstream media, that ANY time a person of color is killed in a police shooting it’s a racist murder, regardless of the facts; mandatory police trainings where the presenter starts the lecture with, “you are all racists” and “we all know that police officers want to put all black men in prison”; protestors marching with signs that say “ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS” and much worse; a far left official (Seattle) actually opening a police precinct to allow “protesters“ in to ransack and occupy the building while their riot was killing and injuring people and then denying access by medical responders to help them. BLM (discovered to be a very corrupt organization) not speaking out against the notion of murdering cops, pushing Marxist ideology (which has pretty thoroughly been shown to be a completely failed system and always run by the dictatorship you are concerned about; ANTIFA unapologetically calling for completely tearing down our established systems, to be replaced by, they have no idea what and causing MASSIVE destruction, it goes on and on.

NONE of the rhetoric pushed by the far left is supported by the data, except that there is a severe separation between the very rich and the very poor. Their solution is to destroy the “stagnating” middle class, disproportionately people of color, burning and looting their businesses, bankrupting hardworking families, promoting lawlessness resulting in skyrocketing murder rates (I think we’re at an average of two per week here in Portland, a relatively small “large” city.

Yes, there is threat of civil war, promoted openly by the far left. The supposed far right is mostly the reasonable right, people who have had more than enough and demand some respect and to be left alone to work (produce rather than tear down), raise and enjoy their families, have the benefit of what they EARN. Sure there are a VERY FEW unreasonable far right people, but not remotely comparable in numbers to the violent far left.

That article is an extremely biased, unsupported opinion piece, that lays the blame very much on the wrong end of the political spectrum. If a college student wrote a paper (unless it supported the far left nonsense taught now in colleges) with that complete lack of data, they would be laughed out of the classroom.

I concur. Here's the original opinion column that Newsweek cites:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...-must-prepare/

Read it only if you're into ultra-left wing apocalypticism. Of course, some people thrive on that sort of thing.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream

I concur. Here's the original opinion column that Newsweek cites:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...-must-prepare/

Read it only if you're into ultra-left wing apocalypticism. Of course, some people thrive on that sort of thing.

Pipe - democracy is fragile. It requires the Will of the People, and the integrity of leadership to maintain.
Democratic process can be chipped away a bit at a time - not just by sudden coupe.
Trumps election LIE is a very significant step against our democracy.
You may not like me, what I write, and my political preference but this is all true.

[Pipe_Dream]

Originally Posted by bgreene

Pipe - democracy is fragile. It requires the Will of the People, and the integrity of leadership to maintain.
Democratic process can be chipped away a bit at a time - not just by sudden coupe.
Trumps election LIE is a very significant step against our democracy.
You may not like me, what I write, and my political preference but this is all true.

Liberty is chipped away a bit at a time. This is what the democratic party has been doing for decades, and why Trump was elected. This is true and you ignore it at your peril.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream

Liberty is chipped away a bit at a time. This is what the democratic party has been doing for decades, and why Trump was elected. This is true and you ignore it at your peril.

What liberties have you lost over decades due to democratic leadership ?

[scook]

A pretty good isolated example is their assault on the 2nd amendment with laws that aren’t in any way effective at reducing gun crime and leaves people who obey the laws, however ill conceived, unarmed and defenseless. Gun-free zones are more accurately called self defense-free zones. The liberals in Oregon have removed state preemption with respect to gun laws, so municipalities, even schools can create “gun-free zones” and a mother who has a concealed carry permit, can become a felon for dropping her child at school while carrying her weapon.

That is a perfect example of losing a freedom, one with potentially fatal consequences if she’s unarmed when a murderer drops by school and starts shooting people and she could have stopped it, or she’s parking downtown and attacked in the parking structure. That’s just one absolutely clear example of democrat leadership taking liberties, and for very stupid, non-effective reasons. Well, maybe effective in pandering to their ideological, ignorant base and their own ignorant “we know what’s best for you stupid rednecks” mentality.

[bgreene]

Liz Chaney seems interesting as a potential candidate for the Republican Party.

[scook]

Here’s another example of your 100% lack of responsiveness. I responded to your question directly with a clear example and your reply is, as usual, to make a completely unrelated comment.

Once again you demonstrate a complete inability to engage in intellectually honest conversation, or that you know you are full of baloney and are simply dishonest.