How to defeat Russia….without nucs….

[bgreene]

Game plan to to cause so much economic pain to Russia the people ( and Oligarchs )turn against Putin.
“ everything was fine till you invaded Ukraine “
That’s what we want …..

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/04/u...s-ukraine.html

[scook]

The question is whether the oligarchs have the influence to move him, or failing that, the wherewithal to take him out. He’s a KGB guy and has proven to be able to survive pretty well. Then if he’s taken out, who’s coming up behind him is a big unknown to us (hopefully not so unknown to our intel people).

Another question is whether he’s so deranged that he’ll turn to nukes when backed into the corner.

I agree that squeezing him is the only reasonable option, but not entirely sanguine about the outcome.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

The question is whether the oligarchs have the influence to move him, or failing that, the wherewithal to take him out. He’s a KGB guy and has proven to be able to survive pretty well. Then if he’s taken out, who’s coming up behind him is a big unknown to us (hopefully not so unknown to our intel people).

Another question is whether he’s so deranged that he’ll turn to nukes when backed into the corner.

I agree that squeezing him is the only reasonable option, but not entirely sanguine about the outcome.

Agreed

[scook]

We should, however also be supplying them with all of the weaponry they can use effectively against tanks, planes and infantry, etc. to slow and stop the advance.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

We should, however also be supplying them with all of the weaponry they can use effectively against tanks, planes and infantry, etc. to slow and stop the advance.

Agreed 2X

[scook]

And it just occurred to me that Russia probably has pretty sophisticated satellite imaging to spy on the Ukrainian military - I hope we’re sharing our intel with them. That could be a real game changer

[bgreene]

Russian super rich “ Oligarchs “ may be turning AGAINST Putin because sanctions and public anger is turning AGAINST them.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/man-p...224248695.html

[scook]

I don’t know how sensitive they are to public anger (unless it affects their businesses) but I bet losing their yachts, fancy luxury apartments, money frozen in non- Russian banks and travel privileges is pretty annoying to them. I saw a YouTube of a few of the yachts - that’s got to be getting their attention.

I hope the guy mentioned in the link, who put the $1 million bounty on Putin, is watching his back.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

I don’t know how sensitive they are to public anger (unless it affects their businesses) but I bet losing their yachts, fancy luxury apartments, money frozen in non- Russian banks and travel privileges is pretty annoying to them. I saw a YouTube of a few of the yachts - that’s got to be getting their attention.

I hope the guy mentioned in the link, who put the $1 million bounty on Putin, is watching his back.

Agreed….and nations of free world have to INCREASE the pressure on Putin and his corrupt clan .

[scook]

This is where negotiation skill is important. Squeezing Putin personally increases the likelihood of him lashing out even more irrationally. Squeezing the oligarchs increases the likelihood of him being taken out internally.

It looks like we’re dealing with someone who’s gone around the bend and is best dealt with by his own people - they’ll be inclined to do it if they’re squeezed enough.