The siege on our Capitol

[Destroyer]

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Originally Posted by Destroyer

“ never rude lewd or crude “ says destroyer .
Hahahahahah you’re very comfortable lying .

Me I’m not comfortable to lie - never have been.
Just feels wrong - like you are - just plain wrong

Again with the personal insults.

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[bgreene]

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Originally Posted by bgreene

Again with the personal insults.

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Siege on our Capitol - attempt to stop certification of the next duly elected President of our United States of America . Encouraged by the former President and his lawyer .

A historic event in our history that may lead to the undoing of our great democracy .
Like the fall of the Senate on the Roman Empire - when a single Pharaoh took over.
A democracy is fragile and must be upheld or it falls to tyranny.

Donald Trump wants to rule our nation - to run it as part of his own business kingdom.
To slowly eliminate non supporting entities - in our government , our businesses, our media and our people. Only those of strongest character can face this truth, speak up, and vote against it .

[Destroyer]

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Originally Posted by Destroyer

Siege on our Capitol - attempt to stop certification of the next duly elected President of our United States of America . Encouraged by the former President and his lawyer .

A historic event in our history that may lead to the undoing of our great democracy .
Like the fall of the Senate on the Roman Empire - when a single Pharaoh took over.
A democracy is fragile and must be upheld or it falls to tyranny.

Donald Trump wants to rule our nation - to run it as part of his own business kingdom.
To slowly eliminate non supporting entities - in our government , our businesses, our media and our people. Only those of strongest character can face this truth, speak up, and vote against it .

A historic event? Hardly. There have been many many demonstrations at our Nation's Capital. But I will agree this was one of the more newsworthy.

The Egyptians had Pharaohs. The Romans had Consuls

I totally agree with you that a Democracy is a fragile thing and must be upheld. That's why people are so much against the Democrats right now, because they see what is happening to their freedoms.

I agree that Mr. Trump wants to rule our nation, as president. We disagree as to if he wants to run it as part of his business empire. He is constrained by the Constitution on what he can and cannot do.

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[bgreene]

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Originally Posted by bgreene

A historic event? Hardly. There have been many many demonstrations at our Nation's Capital. But I will agree this was one of the more newsworthy.

The Egyptians had Pharaohs. The Romans had Consuls

I totally agree with you that a Democracy is a fragile thing and must be upheld. That's why people are so much against the Democrats right now, because they see what is happening to their freedoms.

I agree that Mr. Trump wants to rule our nation, as president. We disagree as to if he wants to run it as part of his business empire. He is constrained by the Constitution on what he can and cannot do.

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Hah constraints on what he can do . Spin destroyer ! Spin !

[Destroyer]

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Originally Posted by Destroyer

Hah constraints on what he can do . Spin destroyer ! Spin !

You disagree that the Constitution places constraints on presidents? Interesting

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[bgreene]

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Originally Posted by bgreene

You disagree that the Constitution places constraints on presidents? Interesting

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Trump doesn’t care about constitutional constraints

[scook]

Neither does Biden, e.g. admitting that the Supreme Court had ruled on eviction mandates, but attempting to ignore it. The constraints still applied, as they did often with Trump. His executive orders were often successfully challenged or at least delayed & modified in court.

Regarding controlling the media, Trump was the subject of constant, incessant and often flagrantly dishonest attacks from the majority of the media and couldn’t/didn’t silence them.

The constitution is very much at work constraining presidents and if, as you suggest, Trump wants to become a dictator, there is zero chance of his being able to make it happen.

The statist nature of European governments, including disarming of their populations and lack of constitutions that declare individual rights, rather than privileges granted by the governments, made Hitler’s takeover possible.

Where Trump was at all similar to Hitler was in stirring national pride in our exceptional (while not without its problems) country and showing respect for those of us who actually work and produce goods and services. He never vilified any ethnic group or tried to shut them out of our prosperity - exactly the opposite.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

Neither does Biden, e.g. admitting that the Supreme Court had ruled on eviction mandates, but attempting to ignore it. The constraints still applied, as they did often with Trump. His executive orders were often successfully challenged or at least delayed & modified in court.

Regarding controlling the media, Trump was the subject of constant, incessant and often flagrantly dishonest attacks from the majority of the media and couldn’t/didn’t silence them.

The constitution is very much at work constraining presidents and if, as you suggest, Trump wants to become a dictator, there is zero chance of his being able to make it happen.

The statist nature of European governments, including disarming of their populations and lack of constitutions that declare individual rights, rather than privileges granted by the governments, made Hitler’s takeover possible.

Where Trump was at all similar to Hitler was in stirring national pride in our exceptional (while not without its problems) country and showing respect for those of us who actually work and produce goods and services. He never vilified any ethnic group or tried to shut them out of our prosperity - exactly the opposite.

Based on all trumps comments and behaviors I very much disagree - he lost the election by large margin then tried to stop our democratic transfer of power.
The LACK of credible evidence otherwise proves this out.

[scook]

I know we don’t agree on the likelihood of significant voting irregularities, but an important point is that he was not successful in getting the voting integrity thoroughly examined and wasn’t able to get the outcome changed. I’m not convinced of the fairness of the process (potential fraudulent ballots, not necessarily fraudulent counting), but the system prevented any attempt to change the result.

My concern with your narrative is that I think you have too little faith in how the founding fathers set up the system - congress and the courts frustrated Trump’s attempts to do some things and have done the same with some of Biden’s. I just don’t think there’s a viable path to dictatorship in the US.

That said, I’m very concerned about the far reaching and long lasting effects of the radical left’s permissiveness, allowing rampant crime to spread. I think it could lead to some very serious conflict with some very bad consequences.

[bgreene]

FACT - trump lost the election
FACT - his audits re confirmed he LOST