What would make a V ..." better " ?

[phatdaddy]

I think bs is referring to the 19' al boat in the second article. Wish they had shown a better picture of it.

I guess we all have different ideas of wave measurement. Here on The gulf coast, our waves are primarily wind driven. When its 2-3 here, it's miserable. I cant imagine going out in a 20 ft boat in 3-5. The only time we get a nice smooth ground swell in during a hurricane.

[bigshrimpin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Looking at the pics of the Seablade I have to say truthfully that I'm not in the least impressed. First, it's an ugly boat. Second, it's a 35' boat. That's NOT in the same class as a 20 or a 21 or a 23 or even a 25. Third, it's powered by two (2) 300 hp engines. Good for ppl that can afford that kind of power, but realistically it's way outta the league of most of the people that are driving 20-25's. As far as the hull itself goes, whoopti-do, it can hit 60. Hell with twin 300's I can strap them on just about any 20-25 that can hold them and hit that speed with ease. Then there's the mention in the article about how the boat is really 3 hulls... a main hull and 2 side hulls called Amas'. The article goes on to state that " The stabilized monohull design has a slender center hull with two stabilizing amas, which form entrapment tunnels between the main hull and amas." I wonder if they ever looked at the Wellcraft Airslot which did almost exactly the same thing. (Except they called the outside hulls "Sponsons"). I can tell you from recent experience with my little 16.5 Airslot that it's remarkably stable at speeds and I can handle chops and snot a lot larger than anything I ever could in some of my previous boats of that size. Granted, it's never going to be able to handle 4' chop, but then again, it's only 16.5 feet long verses the 35 foot length for the Seablade.
Now, to get back to the title of this thread which is "What would make a V better" ....... Certainly making it into a 35 footer and adding twin 300 hp engines would make it a better boat... but then again, it would also make it into something other than a V20/21. So lets start being realistic about what would make a V a better boat. Some of the answers, like getting rid of the wood, taller cuddy, etc are pretty good. Lets all try to stay on subject and not go off on wild a$$ daydreams, shall we?

Originally Posted by bgreene

Exactly........

Use google ;) How lazy and judgemental can you possibly be? You can't even type in http://sea-blade.com/ to see there are 16 - 40 versions. no one ever said function and performance were good looking (evinrude g2). It's time to close your mouth and open your minds. The hull might resemble an airslot, but all that means is that dick cole was onto something :) Just b/c they look the same to you, does not mean they are remotely similar.

BG - Take note of Destroyers comments and understand that people buy boats on their looks (what looks good to them . . . shiny gelcoat, traditional shape and style) and NOT their performance. People are lazy by nature, so if there's a HUGE education component to selling, the masses aren't going to be swayed (just cause one boats ride is marginally better than another). The marketing expense to educate buyers is going to bankrupt the unicorn boat company.




Here is Kama II which is just one of the experimental 25 Seacrafts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln3Y1A_RNCM

[bigshrimpin]

Exactly like an airslot :)

http://sea-blade.com/sea-blade-hull-...seakindly.html

[Destroyer]

[QUOTE=bigshrimpin;233853]Use google ;) How lazy and judgemental can you possibly be? You can't even type in http://sea-blade.com/ to see there are 16 - 40 versions. no one ever said function and performance were good looking (evinrude g2). It's time to close your mouth and open your minds. The hull might resemble an airslot, but all that means is that dick cole was onto something :) Just b/c they look the same to you, does not mean they are remotely similar.



Oh really? So now I'm lazy and judgmental because I followed YOUR link and read the blurb that YOU posted? I was commenting on what you were saying, not about anything else. Not about how many different styles they tried before they came up with the Seablade, not on how many different lengths the Seablade comes in, not anything except what YOU posted and the link that YOU provided. So if following YOUR post's link makes me lazy and judgmental then so be it. Personally I thought it just made me polite to follow your link. As to my mind being closed and my mouth being open, may I remind you that I was merely trying to get this thread BACK onto it's track, after it had become derailed with this silly and useless chatter about other boats. So let's stop with the sarcasm and the insults. You lower yourself when you engage in such drivel. STAY ON TOPIC OR RISK HAVING THIS THREAD DELETED.

PS... and if you look at the pics that you posted of the various Seablade styles, in the top left corner is a pic of the 16 foot Seablade. Compare that pic to the pics of my 16.5 foot Airslot that I posted in "A funny thing happened" here in the General section of the Forums. Tell me that they don't look almost exactly alike. Do an internet search for pics of a 24 foot Airslot ... same thing. So that proves that Richard Cole was onto something when he designed the Airslot and Steve Loui just wasted 10 million dollars trying to improve on it. Understand, I'm not saying that the Seablade isn't a good design using modern materials. It is. I'm just saying that credit for the hull design should be given to the person that actually designed it way back in the 60's....Richard Cole.

[bgreene]

Shrimp - did you jump in based on my private message to you on the Seacraft site sharing that we're talking V boat related improvement ideas ?
This posting is for fun.....ideas.......and sharing among boat lovers, and V enthusiasts.
Be a part of it, but suggest you don't take it all too seriously.......or communicate annoyance to members.

In addition, member Destroyer's been a friend to all on this site, willing to share expertise, and helpful whenever asked. Let's respect each other's opinions.

It's in FUN......let's keep it this way. I believe you have a fair amount of boat experience to share.

Oh yeh, one more thing.........I really like the looks of the Moesly 21' huge hull and massive deep bow design. As I've written, hard to believe this hull hasn't been put back into service, but you indicate someone's finally making a new mold. That's part of the concept of this original thread......how to take the classic good looks of the Wellcraft V, and make it better. The V looks like a boat, not a plastic mold. Turning it into a battle wagon without any weak points would be like a super model that can't get enough sex.........oooopssss.......did I just write that ???? edit ! edit !

[spareparts]

Originally Posted by bigshrimpin

Exactly like an airslot :)

http://sea-blade.com/sea-blade-hull-...seakindly.html

thats one ugly freakin boat

[jesemd]

At the risk of being burned at the stake for getting back on track....

Improving the V-20...

1. Raise the front deck to the bottom of the windshield glass
2. Raise the entire hull/rubrail in the bow by the same amount for less water over the bow
3. Eliminate the bow rail
4. Stretch to a full 8'6" beam
5. Widen bow slider/windshield walkthru by 4-6 inches
6. Anchor locker accessible from front deck
7. Raise windshield 2-3 inches
8. Full transom with outboard bracket and integrated swim step (no euro-trash transoms though)
9. Use Line-X instead of carpet in cabin
10. PVC liners where rod racks go into hull
11. Fold down bench seat across stern
12. Foam sandwich construction like a whaler

Just my thoughts from almost 30 years fishing one....

[SkunkBoat]

Originally Posted by spareparts

thats one ugly freakin boat

I bet you get free bowl o' soup with that...looks good on you tho...