What would make a V ..." better " ?

[bgreene]

Shrimp.....perhaps you received my PM on Classic Seacraft....

4' chop....purpose would be to TEST a 23' to a good beating..to sort out any weak points.
We that have gone to sea for years know that's not meant for little boats.......

Couple of guys I know that run 23' Sceptre's report a nice ride, but teeth jarring in quartering chop.

As you likely know, I'm a fan of the original Moesly 21' hull, which I believe would be good platform to re create a new V21'.....or V23' cuddy.

[bigshrimpin]

BG - Navatek spent years and millions of dollars studying the 21 and 25. I know you've been talking about the unicorn trailerable 21/23 for a full decade now. People with unlimited resources, teams of high level engineers with years of education and experience have set out to achieve the same desired goal. You might want learn who they are and understand the lessons they learned before you set out on your own quest. You're not going to shoot from the hip with zero skills using someone elses money and nail the design.

Someone is already splashing the original 21 hull making a mold.

If you want a good looking design on very functional hull . . . take a look at 20 seafari cabin on the original 21 hull. This is Carl Moesly's daughter Carla mocking it up.

[bigshrimpin]

Originally Posted by bgreene

Couple of guys I know that run 23' Sceptre's report a nice ride, but teeth jarring in quartering chop.

It's surprising that none of them have given you a ride on their boats. Also you might want to mention to your "friends" that they can roll the v into the seas using trim tabs.

Have you ever seen a 21 seacraft?

[Destroyer]

Looking at the pics of the Seablade I have to say truthfully that I'm not in the least impressed. First, it's an ugly boat. Second, it's a 35' boat. That's NOT in the same class as a 20 or a 21 or a 23 or even a 25. Third, it's powered by two (2) 300 hp engines. Good for ppl that can afford that kind of power, but realistically it's way outta the league of most of the people that are driving 20-25's. As far as the hull itself goes, whoopti-do, it can hit 60. Hell with twin 300's I can strap them on just about any 20-25 that can hold them and hit that speed with ease. Then there's the mention in the article about how the boat is really 3 hulls... a main hull and 2 side hulls called Amas'. The article goes on to state that " The stabilized monohull design has a slender center hull with two stabilizing amas, which form entrapment tunnels between the main hull and amas." I wonder if they ever looked at the Wellcraft Airslot which did almost exactly the same thing. (Except they called the outside hulls "Sponsons"). I can tell you from recent experience with my little 16.5 Airslot that it's remarkably stable at speeds and I can handle chops and snot a lot larger than anything I ever could in some of my previous boats of that size. Granted, it's never going to be able to handle 4' chop, but then again, it's only 16.5 feet long verses the 35 foot length for the Seablade.
Now, to get back to the title of this thread which is "What would make a V better" ....... Certainly making it into a 35 footer and adding twin 300 hp engines would make it a better boat... but then again, it would also make it into something other than a V20/21. So lets start being realistic about what would make a V a better boat. Some of the answers, like getting rid of the wood, taller cuddy, etc are pretty good. Lets all try to stay on subject and not go off on wild a$$ daydreams, shall we?

[bgreene]

Exactly........

Shrimpy - don't go getting all serious now, we're mostly just playing here...
Penalty for getting all cramped up is you'll be assigned to a 17' Bayliner...with Force outboard.

Seacraft Sceptre is classic style, big brother to the V boats.....still on my wish list, but very hard to find without needing restore because people rarely sell.

[inaforty]

On another note.
Have any of you taking a ride in a larger RIB? We have a 15' HIB rib that has a Hunt hull and it's amazing how much rough water the little 15' rib will cut through. I can only imagine what a 30 footer would handle like.

[phatdaddy]

I think bs is referring to the 19' al boat in the second article. Wish they had shown a better picture of it.

I guess we all have different ideas of wave measurement. Here on The gulf coast, our waves are primarily wind driven. When its 2-3 here, it's miserable. I cant imagine going out in a 20 ft boat in 3-5. The only time we get a nice smooth ground swell in during a hurricane.

[bigshrimpin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Looking at the pics of the Seablade I have to say truthfully that I'm not in the least impressed. First, it's an ugly boat. Second, it's a 35' boat. That's NOT in the same class as a 20 or a 21 or a 23 or even a 25. Third, it's powered by two (2) 300 hp engines. Good for ppl that can afford that kind of power, but realistically it's way outta the league of most of the people that are driving 20-25's. As far as the hull itself goes, whoopti-do, it can hit 60. Hell with twin 300's I can strap them on just about any 20-25 that can hold them and hit that speed with ease. Then there's the mention in the article about how the boat is really 3 hulls... a main hull and 2 side hulls called Amas'. The article goes on to state that " The stabilized monohull design has a slender center hull with two stabilizing amas, which form entrapment tunnels between the main hull and amas." I wonder if they ever looked at the Wellcraft Airslot which did almost exactly the same thing. (Except they called the outside hulls "Sponsons"). I can tell you from recent experience with my little 16.5 Airslot that it's remarkably stable at speeds and I can handle chops and snot a lot larger than anything I ever could in some of my previous boats of that size. Granted, it's never going to be able to handle 4' chop, but then again, it's only 16.5 feet long verses the 35 foot length for the Seablade.
Now, to get back to the title of this thread which is "What would make a V better" ....... Certainly making it into a 35 footer and adding twin 300 hp engines would make it a better boat... but then again, it would also make it into something other than a V20/21. So lets start being realistic about what would make a V a better boat. Some of the answers, like getting rid of the wood, taller cuddy, etc are pretty good. Lets all try to stay on subject and not go off on wild a$$ daydreams, shall we?

Originally Posted by bgreene

Exactly........

Use google ;) How lazy and judgemental can you possibly be? You can't even type in http://sea-blade.com/ to see there are 16 - 40 versions. no one ever said function and performance were good looking (evinrude g2). It's time to close your mouth and open your minds. The hull might resemble an airslot, but all that means is that dick cole was onto something :) Just b/c they look the same to you, does not mean they are remotely similar.

BG - Take note of Destroyers comments and understand that people buy boats on their looks (what looks good to them . . . shiny gelcoat, traditional shape and style) and NOT their performance. People are lazy by nature, so if there's a HUGE education component to selling, the masses aren't going to be swayed (just cause one boats ride is marginally better than another). The marketing expense to educate buyers is going to bankrupt the unicorn boat company.




Here is Kama II which is just one of the experimental 25 Seacrafts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln3Y1A_RNCM

[bigshrimpin]

Exactly like an airslot :)

http://sea-blade.com/sea-blade-hull-...seakindly.html

[spareparts]

Originally Posted by bigshrimpin

Exactly like an airslot :)

http://sea-blade.com/sea-blade-hull-...seakindly.html

thats one ugly freakin boat