V20 Vs. Bertram 20

[dan4836]

I love looking at classic boats and love to compare the pros and cons of each.

After owning many boats, my V20 gives me a lot of versatility and excellent fuel economy (470 I/O)

Usually, the trade off with deep V boats is the ride in rough seas but poor at drift. I found my V20 to be excellent ride (with trim tabs) and excellent at drift.

I was wondering if any one can compare the ride of a Bertram 20 with the V20? Bertrams have an excellent reputation for build quality but I am not concerned with that. My V20 was stripped down to the stringers and rebuilt rock solid with all new wiring.

I would thing the Bertram would not do as well at drift and would offer a comparable ride to a V20 with trim tabs.

Any input?

[THEFERMANATOR]

I haven't ridden in a BERTRAM 20, but they are one SERIOUSLY DEEP V hull. The V-20 is a 20 degree deadrise hull at the stern, the BERTRAM 20 is 25 and some versions of it are said to be 28 degrees. They need alot of HP to push them because of the deep V with most having a V-8 inboard in them or a LARGE outboard. And being 20 feet with that deep of a V, I imagine it would rock like no tommorrow in a drift. I've read that even at anchor they can whip you around if there is much of a sea. In all honesty they are 2 completely different classes of boats. The V-20 is more of a practical all around hull VS the BERTRAM 20 with it's extrem deep V.

[bigshrimpin]

Bertram 20 / hiliner222 hull is a deeper v than the v20 steplift. 24 degrees vs 20 degrees. couldn't help myself for $200.00

[bigshrimpin]

Ferm - I think the Bertram Barron was 28 degrees.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by bigshrimpin

Ferm - I think the Bertram Barron was 28 degrees.

I know it was one of the 20 footers had the ridiculous 28 degree V to it. Could you imagine being in a drift with a following sea and a 28 degree V bottom.

[bigshrimpin]

Barron with the crazy dead rise was longer . . . I think 28 ft or so. The 20's were 24 or 25. I'm pretty sure. Hi liners are almost identical to the 20 Bertram. They are a later more refined hunt design . . . With 2 strakes instead or 3. Rumor has it that the conch 27 was a bigger version of the hiliner 222 hull with some tweaks.

[bradford]

Bertram Barons came in 20, 24, and 28 foot lengths.

Conch 27s have 22.5 degrees.
http://www.randrboatworks.com/conch27.php

That's a great deal on that Hiliner, Bigshrimpin'!

Love classic style V hulls!

[THEFERMANATOR]

I believe teh CONCH was built off of a FORMULA 233 copy with some SEACRAFT transom design with multi stage V bottom. It was a unique hull design from down in the keys. I haven't seen but one or two myself, but I know they were very popular guide boats in south Florida.

And the BERTRAM 20 BARROn is a DEEP V sucker.

Heres one running at speed. Look at how much of the V is out of the water.

[bigshrimpin]

[QUOTE=THEFERMANATOR;213395]I believe teh CONCH was built off of a FORMULA 233 copy with some SEACRAFT transom design with multi stage V bottom. It was a unique hull design from down in the keys. I haven't seen but one or two myself, but I know they were very popular guide boats in south Florida.



Ferm - my grandma's neighbor John Harding owned edey and duff in Mattapoisett. Conch 27 is an original hunt design . . . Has zero influence from formula or seacraft. They sold the conch molds to the guys in fl before closing the doors. 20 Bertram is a beast. You might be right about the little baron. I have seen a 28 baron in San Rafael, ca and dead rise is ridiculous.

[spareparts]

didn't the 27 Seacraft has some ridiculous dead rise? I think I saw one near Jacksonville, NC. I was riding down the road and my "seacraft" radar went off, I could see the trademark running strakes, but the boat was huge and the dead rise was excessive.