R.I.P. America

[spareparts]

it boiled down to specifics. Look at all the states around the Great lakes, all union strongholds. Virginia and Maryland, all federal government workers. New Mexico, Nevada, California, lots of immigrants wanting to bring the rest of the family over. Colorado, California, Washington, Oregon, lots of homosexuals wanting to be married and lots of pot smokers. Now for the North East, all we can say is damn yankees!

[draglink]

I have talked to 2 friends of mine this morning. They are small business owners. Both HAD plans of capital improvements to their businesses and hiring a couple more people. The election results last night changed all that. They are NOT spending the $$$$$ for the improvements, and one of them is laying off 7 employees this morning. They are scared to death of the future for the small businesses, as am I

I hope we can survive 4 more years.....

[spareparts]

one of the things that really jerks my chain, is they said voter turn out nation wide was much lower than the last election, those non voters will be the ones who complain the loudest

[Kracker Jack]

Originally Posted by spareparts

one of the things that really jerks my chain, is they said voter turn out nation wide was much lower than the last election, those non voters will be the ones who complain the loudest

I watched atleast 20 people walk out because the line was to long to wait. That was very disheartning regardless of who they were going to vote for. We had a big turn out here in va beach.

[lathehand]

It's all over now.At least we can say we were once a great nation.

[yodaddy]

we are screwed

[RWilson2526]

Originally Posted by draglink

They are NOT spending the $$$$$ for the improvements, and one of them is laying off 7 employees this morning.

Drag...that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard....either your friend is making money off those employees or he is losing money by carrying those employees with not enough work to support them....to wake up this morning and decide to layoff 7 people is again the dumbest thing i ever heard.

[draglink]

Originally Posted by RWilson2526

Drag...that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard....either your friend is making money off those employees or he is losing money by carrying those employees with not enough work to support them....to wake up this morning and decide to layoff 7 people is again the dumbest thing i ever heard.

I dont know the whole story...just got the quick version. Sounds like he has been carrying them.....was hoping for a Republican turn around with taxes and Obamacare. He said he has to stop the bleeding since he feels the gov't has him hooked up directly to an IV!

[willy]

Two comments, first Rob I personally know two people in small business. A woman and a man who employ several people each. The lady wanted to expand in 2012 but did not out of fear of what the costs of doing business would be for her due to the government and the personal tax situation.
Both of them have been carrying people who work for them biding time until someone with leadership and business common sense got into the office.
both of them had faith in the American People to stand up against the rising tide of socialism in this country and the entitlement Greek like culture we have in middle and low income America.
The fellow has not taken a salary for over a year now so he did not have to lay anyone else off.
He decided now to close up.
She will not expand and will have to stop carrying some of her people.
That is going on all over this nation and it is going to get a lot worse.
Big and small companies.
Lockheed is going to lay off 127,000 employees. Just them. The Obama Administration made promises to them and other defense contractors so they would not send out the notices they were required by law to send out before the election.
Young people will find an even harder job market as many who had planned to retire and were waiting for someone who could turn the economy around so their 401k's and IRA's would rebound from their huge losses the past four years. Plus the job creators themselves are looking at bleak forecasts.
My wife's company ATT is getting ready to lay off thousands.
It is very bad, and it is going to get much much worse.

And JeffMo what exactly is the voter suppression you talking about in Ohio, are you referring to having to identify yourself. If you are shame on you.
You want to see voter suppression go to the precincts in Philly where the Black Paters were patrolling the entrances.
Or in Queens NY where a woman wearing a go Mitt hat was physically removed to a cheering crowd and not allowed to vote.
Or the State Senate candidate who went to vote in NY but being white had her voting card inspected before being allowed to put it in the machine to be scanned, and instructed that she had filled it out wrong and was told to mark something on the dem side of the card, which would have made it double marked and rejected later in the count.
All these things and many thousands more were happening in our cities around the country and are all documented.
The union run precincts like in Las Vegas where the SEIU run the machines and inner city voting booths have turned our country into a banana republic as far as voting is concerned and that is why the Mayor of Bridgeport Connecticut told the press don't worry so and so will win, I guarantee it "one way or another"
And the press that heard it laughed along with him.
So with so much voter fraud many good people in this country wanted to have laws that said you had to provide some ID to vote. They even made sure that everyone could get ID free so they would have it.
This was labeled as voter suppression. Even Obama had to show ID when he voted in Chicago. There they have a law that was not challenged by the Att General.
But in these other states where voter fraud is rampant law suits were filed.
Go figure, right.
Listen, do I believe the Obamination won? Yes. Likely by a lot less than were counted, but yes.
Do I beleive there is voter suppression and banana republic bulk vote buying in many of our urban centers. AbsoFNlutely.
I would like for you to tell me how any voters in Ohio were suppressed. If it is the ID laws you are talking about then you are in the company of a very few who think that is voter suppression, in fact in most countries around the world they require ID to vote.
We can't have that here! That would upset to many union and inner city apple carts.

[jeffmo]

[QUOTE=willy;196712]Two comments, first Rob I personally know two people in small business. A woman and a man who employ several people each. The lady wanted to expand in 2012 but did not out of fear of what the costs of doing business would be for her due to the government and the personal tax situation.
Both of them have been carrying people who work for them biding time until someone with leadership and business common sense got into the office.
both of them had faith in the American People to stand up against the rising tide of socialism in this country and the entitlement Greek like culture we have in middle and low income America.
The fellow has not taken a salary for over a year now so he did not have to lay anyone else off.
He decided now to close up.
She will not expand and will have to stop carrying some of her people.
That is going on all over this nation and it is going to get a lot worse.
Big and small companies.
Lockheed is going to lay off 127,000 employees. Just them. The Obama Administration made promises to them and other defense contractors so they would not send out the notices they were required by law to send out before the election.
Young people will find an even harder job market as many who had planned to retire and were waiting for someone who could turn the economy around so their 401k's and IRA's would rebound from their huge losses the past four years. Plus the job creators themselves are looking at bleak forecasts.
My wife's company ATT is getting ready to lay off thousands.
It is very bad, and it is going to get much much worse.

And JeffMo what exactly is the voter suppression you talking about in Ohio, are you referring to having to identify yourself. If you are shame on you.
You want to see voter suppression go to the precincts in Philly where the Black Paters were patrolling the entrances.
Or in Queens NY where a woman wearing a go Mitt hat was physically removed to a cheering crowd and not allowed to vote.
Or the State Senate candidate who went to vote in NY but being white had her voting card inspected before being allowed to put it in the machine to be scanned, and instructed that she had filled it out wrong and was told to mark something on the dem side of the card, which would have made it double marked and rejected later in the count.
All these things and many thousands more were happening in our cities around the country and are all documented.
The union run precincts like in Las Vegas where the SEIU run the machines and inner city voting booths have turned our country into a banana republic as far as voting is concerned and that is why the Mayor of Bridgeport Connecticut told the press don't worry so and so will win, I guarantee it "one way or another"
And the press that heard it laughed along with him.
So with so much voter fraud many good people in this country wanted to have laws that said you had to provide some ID to vote. They even made sure that everyone could get ID free so they would have it.
This was labeled as voter suppression. Even Obama had to show ID when he voted in Chicago. There they have a law that was not challenged by the Att General.
But in these other states where voter fraud is rampant law suits were filed.
Go figure, right.
Listen, do I believe the Obamination won? Yes. Likely by a lot less than were counted, but yes.
Do I beleive there is voter suppression and banana republic bulk vote buying in many of our urban centers. AbsoFNlutely.
I would like for you to tell me how any voters in Ohio were suppressed. If it is the ID laws you are talking about then you are in the company of a very few who think that is voter suppression, in fact in most countries around the world they require ID to vote.
We can't have that here! That would upset to many union and inner city apple carts.[/QUOTE]

No,I'm wasn't refering to voter ID.How about we implement National voter id cards? But since you brought that up it definately was used as a weak excuse to try to employ voter ID laws.You see the Republicans CLAIMED that was the problem that they were trying to remedy.But to put it truthfully it was a lie and nothing more.The fact is that here in Ohio as well as some other states,the rate of voter fraud is so low that you have a better chance of being hit by lightning than you do of finding a case of voter fraud.
But,in our case we have a SOS named Husted who first tried to lengthen early voting hours in counties w/ historically strong Republican backing while at the same time he tried shortening the hours in counties with strong Democratic backing.A judge ordered him to make the hours equal.They were in fact TRYING to rig the game.Since then he ignored some other orders from judges.Now he's got some more explaining to do!
IF I were a betting man I'd have to wager that he may end up being convicted of a crime or two.
http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/state/J...Husteds-office

And as far as upsetting the union apple cart goes there's no more influence from them than there is from privately funded groups.I like comparing apples to apples!