More jobs go overseas...

[randlemanboater]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I'm hoping that someone can give me an answer.

The sad truth is, it will never change because the very people who can change it, don't want to change it. They have gotten rather used to their posh lifestyle.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by randlemanboater

The sad truth is, it will never change because the very people who can change it, don't want to change it. They have gotten rather used to their posh lifestyle.

You're right...if we leave it up to them, it'll never change...but it can change if we decide to change it...with their cooperation or without it...if we're not will to set aside the party BS that keeps us divided and their gravy train flowing, then we'll continue to live, not as free Americans w/a voice in our government, but as workers under the thumb of big money's puppetry of our society...it really is in our hands...it's up to us...

[parishht]

Why are all teh negative stories brought to the forefront, what about the positive stories. I know it is easy for me because I work for Volvo, but they have looked closely at their business decisions and are now in the process of on-shoring components that have been made in other countries.
Right now, they are setting up a transmission assembly line in the Hagerstown, Md facility, they are going gangbusters in Shippensburg at the construction equipment facility.
We are contracting many U.S suppliers right now.

[Destroyer]

I think that everyones still missing the point I was trying to make. You all have good intentions...get the bad ones out, get good ones in, etc etc ... but.. HOW do you know that the ones you put in will be any different...and if they are bad...HOW do you get rid of them quickly... SEE???...THAT'S the problem in a nutshell... once they are in power it's almost impossible to get them out of power... How do we change the laws...the very Constitution itself if need be, to make those that are supposed to be serving us actually do so?

Our founders made a critical mistake....they put term limits in to force people to actually serve the length of the term they were elected to. See...we were a farming society back then, and a farmer away from his farm and crops for too long was bad for his farm...so they would leave after a year or so... so term limits were put in to force them to serve longer... no one ever thought that people would actually want to make a career out of it... But now, those same term limits are preventing us ....we, the people...from getting rid of the crooks and bad politicians effectively. THAT is the problem...HOW do we get rid of them before they do damage to us??? Waiting around for 4 or 6 years simply is NOT acceptable... They can change a lot of laws in 6 years... just look at where we are now if you doubt me. As I see it, we are at the brink of a revolution. Maybe not a bloody war, but rather a shift where the people become slaves to the dictators... and remember...they have the big guns and technology where they can force us to do what they want. It's actually happening right now...slowly, quietly but happening never the less..We now have a government that is forcing us to get health insurance, whether we want it or not, We are now forced to wear seat belts, helmets for motercycles and bikes, use less sugar in our diets, smoke outside or not smoke at all, use less trans fats, ethanol in our gas, permits if we want to build a house or make a change to them, less salt, less this, less that, etc etc etc...and those are just some of the obvious changes where we are being forced to do things that we never had to do before... they are using our fears as weapons against us... it's all in the name of "safety" or "ecology" or whatever they care to call it, but the result is the same... We're losing our freedoms at an alarming rate. And each of our generations, since they only see what is, not what used to be, doesn't realize that they lost this or that ability ... so they just accept it as normal... We are becoming more and more dependant on government for everything...and slowly, quietly, we are losing our freedoms..That's what I meant when I said wake up!!! Don't you see?

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by parishht

Why are all the negative stories brought to the forefront, what about the positive stories. I know it is easy for me because I work for Volvo, but they have looked closely at their business decisions and are now in the process of on-shoring components that have been made in other countries.
Right now, they are setting up a transmission assembly line in the Hagerstown, Md facility, they are going gangbusters in Shippensburg at the construction equipment facility.
We are contracting many U.S suppliers right now.

Because negative stories sell papers.. No one wants to hear about a cat being rescued from a tree or Lassie saving Timmy who fell down a well again.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by parishht

Why are all teh negative stories brought to the forefront, what about the positive stories. I know it is easy for me because I work for Volvo, but they have looked closely at their business decisions and are now in the process of on-shoring components that have been made in other countries.
Right now, they are setting up a transmission assembly line in the Hagerstown, Md facility, they are going gangbusters in Shippensburg at the construction equipment facility.
We are contracting many U.S suppliers right now.

Yer right...good news seldom MAKES the news...I'm sincerely glad to hear Volvo is investing inside the US...makes me wanna go buy one...which leads me to believe Volvo is missing the boat by not publisizing their domestic growth...for some reason or other they are choosing not to...can't believe they've simply overlooked it...that's what corporations like Volvo have Public Relations Departments and contract advertising agencys is to make sure the news, good or bad gets handled properly...IMO, they're missing an opportunity...

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I think that everyones still missing the point I was trying to make. You all have good intentions...get the bad ones out, get good ones in, etc etc ... but.. HOW do you know that the ones you put in will be any different...and if they are bad...HOW do you get rid of them quickly... SEE???...THAT'S the problem in a nutshell... once they are in power it's almost impossible to get them out of power... How do we change the laws...the very Constitution itself if need be, to make those that are supposed to be serving us actually do so?

Our founders made a critical mistake....they put term limits in to force people to actually serve the length of the term they were elected to. See...we were a farming society back then, and a farmer away from his farm and crops for too long was bad for his farm...so they would leave after a year or so... so term limits were put in to force them to serve longer... no one ever thought that people would actually want to make a career out of it... But now, those same term limits are preventing us ....we, the people...from getting rid of the crooks and bad politicians effectively. THAT is the problem...HOW do we get rid of them before they do damage to us??? Waiting around for 4 or 6 years simply is NOT acceptable... They can change a lot of laws in 6 years... just look at where we are now if you doubt me. As I see it, we are at the brink of a revolution. Maybe not a bloody war, but rather a shift where the people become slaves to the dictators... and remember...they have the big guns and technology where they can force us to do what they want. It's actually happening right now...slowly, quietly but happening never the less..We now have a government that is forcing us to get health insurance, whether we want it or not, We are now forced to wear seat belts, helmets for motercycles and bikes, use less sugar in our diets, smoke outside or not smoke at all, use less trans fats, ethanol in our gas, permits if we want to build a house or make a change to them, less salt, less this, less that, etc etc etc...and those are just some of the obvious changes where we are being forced to do things that we never had to do before... they are using our fears as weapons against us... it's all in the name of "safety" or "ecology" or whatever they care to call it, but the result is the same... We're losing our freedoms at an alarming rate. And each of our generations, since they only see what is, not what used to be, doesn't realize that they lost this or that ability ... so they just accept it as normal... We are becoming more and more dependant on government for everything...and slowly, quietly, we are losing our freedoms..That's what I meant when I said wake up!!! Don't you see?

Obama shoved his health care down our throats, just like Bush shoved the patriot act down our throats...which are two good examples of power grabbing from both sides of the aisle...given any opportunity, they will continue to take as much power as they can as surely as the sea erodes the land...
You say, Wake up and I believe a lot of people are...the tea party and the occupiers are good examples...problem is, they are DIVIDED...spawned from separate ideologies so they became enemies instead of allies...curious thing is, they want virtually the same thing, which is to get our country back from those who are destroying it...
You say, How do we know when we got the right ones?...same way you keep rats away from your kitchen...you put the cheese away. The rats are invading because the cheese is easy pickins', so we get greedy rats instead of statesmen who make themselves into CAREER POLITICIANS...THAT, my friend is the enemy of democracy and THAT is what we can stop by outting the incumbent at every voting cycle...don't leave them in long enough to achieve the arrogance of power...take away the cheese...SC had Fritz Hollings and Strom Thurman as Sr Senators FOR DECADES!!...it's OUTRAGEOUS!!...THESE TWO PEOPLE GOT SO FILTHY RICH AS PUBLIC SERVANTS (HA!)...not to mention the POWER they wielded...it's absurd...and and unfortunately a good example of what WE the people should NEVER ALLOW...election cycles=term limits...voting your party line=career politicians...
Take away the cheese and the rats will quit coming...and they will be replaced by sincere statesmen...as much as it turns your stomach, vote the incumbent out every time...if politics were not such a nasty business, I believe Colin Powell would be president or candidate...I'd run to the polls to vote for him...but he's not gonna lower himself to sludging around in the political sewer that has become today's ruling parties...vote 'em out...I don't think it'll take as long as you fear...

[nipper]

There are no term limits for Congress. Never have been. No one elected to Congress has been forced to serve the length of their term. The only term limit is for the President, and that did not come into effext until after FDR's 4 terms. You are right though that Framers of Constitution did not include term limits because they thought Senators and Representatives (and the President) would want to get back to their districts/farm/business and people simply did not live nearly long back in the 18th century as we do now.

[awthacker]

Anybody notice that Rick Santorum's surge has been noticeably absent from the news media?

[bradford]