Liz Chaney for President ?

[bgreene]

Liz Chaney - with tracking based on her integrity .

Integrity …..lost value in the world of trumpism

[scook]

Did you miss my recent post, explaining that Biden has proudly and arrogantly ignored Supreme Court decisions, the Supreme Court being the arbiter of following the constitution.

Biden and the extremely dishonest democrats are the one and only threat, very serious threat, to our constitution and our democracy.

I find it amazing and appalling that you manage to cling to that 100% ludicrous notion that Trump could in any way possibly shut down the news or become a dictator even if he actually did want to do that. After watching how he was constantly attacked and would certainly have liked to stop it, you can’t have any remotely rational process to reach your conclusion.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

Did you miss my recent post, explaining that Biden has proudly and arrogantly ignored Supreme Court decisions, the Supreme Court being the arbiter of following the constitution.

Biden and the extremely dishonest democrats are the one and only threat, very serious threat, to our constitution and our democracy.

I find it amazing and appalling that you manage to cling to that 100% ludicrous notion that Trump could in any way possibly shut down the news or become a dictator even if he actually did want to do that. After watching how he was constantly attacked and would certainly have liked to stop it, you can’t have any remotely rational process to reach your conclusion.

Well I disagree that Democrats are the “ one and only threat to our democracy”
TWO examples:
1. the TRUMP Republican followers violent insurrection attempted attack on our Capitol with intent to stop the legal transfer of power to Biden.
2. Trumps “ stop the steal “.LIE that he won the election despite all the MAJOR confirmed evidence that he lost by the same fair and reliable system that confirmed he won in 2016.

This sir is a huge threat to our democracy - which many believe could be overthrown in 2024 and the great American dream ends as it applies to free and fair elections and more.

[scook]

Then “many” are deeply deluded and naive. There is no conceivable path to such an outcome with the current honest, originalist Supreme Court majority, together with how quickly the independent vote shifts, often unfortunately based on dishonest biased “news”.

Unless Biden is able to stack the court with extreme liberal justices, who legislate from the bench, there’s no possible way for anything like that to happen, and if he’s able to turn the court liberal, they certainly won’t hold still for it with respect to Mr. Trump.

It boggles the mind that a guy who seems intelligent on other subjects could swallow that preposterous narrative.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

Then ***8220;many***8221; are deeply deluded and naive. There is no conceivable path to such an outcome with the current honest, originalist Supreme Court majority, together with how quickly the independent vote shifts, often unfortunately based on dishonest biased ***8220;news***8221;.

Unless Biden is able to stack the court with extreme liberal justices, who legislate from the bench, there***8217;s no possible way for anything like that to happen, and if he***8217;s able to turn the court liberal, they certainly won***8217;t hold still for it with respect to Mr. Trump.

It boggles the mind that a guy who seems intelligent on other subjects could swallow that preposterous narrative.

Democracy is fragile. It needs to be maintained or it can be eliminated brick by brick.
Political scholars here - and from other countries are now writing predictions of American democratic demise and its based on Trumpism. Unimaginable before Trump but its true. Heres just one such writing

https://www.newsweek.com/prepare-rig...canada-1664810

[scook]

I read that article and found no substance in it. It cites mainly one unnamed Canadian political scientist who makes claims about “Trumpism”, with no real specific support for the claims.

It blames right wing ideologues for fomenting unrest, even civil war, when the violence and threat of civil war that has spread around the country is clearly sourced in far left ideology.

Claims of rampant police abuse, even accusations that cops are hunting down people of color to murder them; immediate claims (even by Joe Biden), supported by the very left of center mainstream media, that ANY time a person of color is killed in a police shooting it’s a racist murder, regardless of the facts; mandatory police trainings where the presenter starts the lecture with, “you are all racists” and “we all know that police officers want to put all black men in prison”; protestors marching with signs that say “ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS” and much worse; a far left official (Seattle) actually opening a police precinct to allow “protesters“ in to ransack and occupy the building while their riot was killing and injuring people and then denying access by medical responders to help them. BLM (discovered to be a very corrupt organization) not speaking out against the notion of murdering cops, pushing Marxist ideology (which has pretty thoroughly been shown to be a completely failed system and always run by the dictatorship you are concerned about; ANTIFA unapologetically calling for completely tearing down our established systems, to be replaced by, they have no idea what and causing MASSIVE destruction, it goes on and on.

NONE of the rhetoric pushed by the far left is supported by the data, except that there is a severe separation between the very rich and the very poor. Their solution is to destroy the “stagnating” middle class, disproportionately people of color, burning and looting their businesses, bankrupting hardworking families, promoting lawlessness resulting in skyrocketing murder rates (I think we’re at an average of two per week here in Portland, a relatively small “large” city.

Yes, there is threat of civil war, promoted openly by the far left. The supposed far right is mostly the reasonable right, people who have had more than enough and demand some respect and to be left alone to work (produce rather than tear down), raise and enjoy their families, have the benefit of what they EARN. Sure there are a VERY FEW unreasonable far right people, but not remotely comparable in numbers to the violent far left.

That article is an extremely biased, unsupported opinion piece, that lays the blame very much on the wrong end of the political spectrum. If a college student wrote a paper (unless it supported the far left nonsense taught now in colleges) with that complete lack of data, they would be laughed out of the classroom.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

I read that article and found no substance in it. It cites mainly one unnamed Canadian political scientist who makes claims about “Trumpism”, with no real specific support for the claims.

It blames right wing ideologues for fomenting unrest, even civil war, when the violence and threat of civil war that has spread around the country is clearly sourced in far left ideology.

Claims of rampant police abuse, even accusations that cops are hunting down people of color to murder them; immediate claims (even by Joe Biden), supported by the very left of center mainstream media, that ANY time a person of color is killed in a police shooting it’s a racist murder, regardless of the facts; mandatory police trainings where the presenter starts the lecture with, “you are all racists” and “we all know that police officers want to put all black men in prison”; protestors marching with signs that say “ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS” and much worse; a far left official (Seattle) actually opening a police precinct to allow “protesters“ in to ransack and occupy the building while their riot was killing and injuring people and then denying access by medical responders to help them. BLM (discovered to be a very corrupt organization) not speaking out against the notion of murdering cops, pushing Marxist ideology (which has pretty thoroughly been shown to be a completely failed system and always run by the dictatorship you are concerned about; ANTIFA unapologetically calling for completely tearing down our established systems, to be replaced by, they have no idea what and causing MASSIVE destruction, it goes on and on.

NONE of the rhetoric pushed by the far left is supported by the data, except that there is a severe separation between the very rich and the very poor. Their solution is to destroy the “stagnating” middle class, disproportionately people of color, burning and looting their businesses, bankrupting hardworking families, promoting lawlessness resulting in skyrocketing murder rates (I think we’re at an average of two per week here in Portland, a relatively small “large” city.

Yes, there is threat of civil war, promoted openly by the far left. The supposed far right is mostly the reasonable right, people who have had more than enough and demand some respect and to be left alone to work (produce rather than tear down), raise and enjoy their families, have the benefit of what they EARN. Sure there are a VERY FEW unreasonable far right people, but not remotely comparable in numbers to the violent far left.

That article is an extremely biased, unsupported opinion piece, that lays the blame very much on the wrong end of the political spectrum. If a college student wrote a paper (unless it supported the far left nonsense taught now in colleges) with that complete lack of data, they would be laughed out of the classroom.

That’s just ONE of many discussions regarding what TRUMP has done towards fighting and lying AGAINST our sound, proven, accurate election process.
An unheard of concern BEFORE trump.
You certainly can discount all of it - keeping in mind our great democracy is at stake.

[Pipe_Dream]

Originally Posted by scook

I read that article and found no substance in it. It cites mainly one unnamed Canadian political scientist who makes claims about “Trumpism”, with no real specific support for the claims.

It blames right wing ideologues for fomenting unrest, even civil war, when the violence and threat of civil war that has spread around the country is clearly sourced in far left ideology.

Claims of rampant police abuse, even accusations that cops are hunting down people of color to murder them; immediate claims (even by Joe Biden), supported by the very left of center mainstream media, that ANY time a person of color is killed in a police shooting it’s a racist murder, regardless of the facts; mandatory police trainings where the presenter starts the lecture with, “you are all racists” and “we all know that police officers want to put all black men in prison”; protestors marching with signs that say “ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS” and much worse; a far left official (Seattle) actually opening a police precinct to allow “protesters“ in to ransack and occupy the building while their riot was killing and injuring people and then denying access by medical responders to help them. BLM (discovered to be a very corrupt organization) not speaking out against the notion of murdering cops, pushing Marxist ideology (which has pretty thoroughly been shown to be a completely failed system and always run by the dictatorship you are concerned about; ANTIFA unapologetically calling for completely tearing down our established systems, to be replaced by, they have no idea what and causing MASSIVE destruction, it goes on and on.

NONE of the rhetoric pushed by the far left is supported by the data, except that there is a severe separation between the very rich and the very poor. Their solution is to destroy the “stagnating” middle class, disproportionately people of color, burning and looting their businesses, bankrupting hardworking families, promoting lawlessness resulting in skyrocketing murder rates (I think we’re at an average of two per week here in Portland, a relatively small “large” city.

Yes, there is threat of civil war, promoted openly by the far left. The supposed far right is mostly the reasonable right, people who have had more than enough and demand some respect and to be left alone to work (produce rather than tear down), raise and enjoy their families, have the benefit of what they EARN. Sure there are a VERY FEW unreasonable far right people, but not remotely comparable in numbers to the violent far left.

That article is an extremely biased, unsupported opinion piece, that lays the blame very much on the wrong end of the political spectrum. If a college student wrote a paper (unless it supported the far left nonsense taught now in colleges) with that complete lack of data, they would be laughed out of the classroom.

I concur. Here's the original opinion column that Newsweek cites:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...-must-prepare/

Read it only if you're into ultra-left wing apocalypticism. Of course, some people thrive on that sort of thing.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream

I concur. Here's the original opinion column that Newsweek cites:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...-must-prepare/

Read it only if you're into ultra-left wing apocalypticism. Of course, some people thrive on that sort of thing.

Pipe - democracy is fragile. It requires the Will of the People, and the integrity of leadership to maintain.
Democratic process can be chipped away a bit at a time - not just by sudden coupe.
Trumps election LIE is a very significant step against our democracy.
You may not like me, what I write, and my political preference but this is all true.

[Pipe_Dream]

Originally Posted by bgreene

Pipe - democracy is fragile. It requires the Will of the People, and the integrity of leadership to maintain.
Democratic process can be chipped away a bit at a time - not just by sudden coupe.
Trumps election LIE is a very significant step against our democracy.
You may not like me, what I write, and my political preference but this is all true.

Liberty is chipped away a bit at a time. This is what the democratic party has been doing for decades, and why Trump was elected. This is true and you ignore it at your peril.