Fox News and politics

[scook]

If you have honest sources for your statements about Trump watching with glee, encouraging violence, etc., I’ll look at them. Not CNN, who have thoroughly convinced me of their flagrantly dishonest anti-Trump campaign, but real coverage, actually showing the events, not some reporter’s opinion based on an unknown source. I’ll have a serious look at your sources - what I’ve seen doesn’t support those views.

Regarding the election issue, I haven’t seen anything that concerns me about free and fair elections being a risk. Trump pushed very hard to have results analyzed and was thwarted at pretty much every turn - states destroying ballots before they could be looked at critically, a state ordering, I believe a million mail-in Democrat ballots with no envelopes, after it was too late to use them legitimately, etc. As I said, I don’t know if an honest count of honest ballots would change the election result, but the claim that there’s zero evidence of significant fraud seems to me pretty inaccurate. No conspiracy theories involved - lots of issues being uncovered and ignored by anti-Trump folks.

There was certainly a conspiracy by the Clinton campaign, the FBI and additional bureaucracy against Trump that anti-Trump folks are happy to ignore and minimize.

I’d just like to actually see what you call for - real, complete truth and facts.

[scook]

Sorry Pipe - I didn’t see your last post before writing mine. I’ll look at your links. Thanks

[scook]

Well, Pipe’s links put the lie to the “ totally peaceful protesters” and violently clearing the square for a photo op. “Mostly peaceful” until the police showed up. Of course, just like my city Portland, it’s OK to be violent if it’s an anti-Trump or generally leftist “protest” and you’re pretty much obligated to get violent if the police arrive. Trump sent federal law enforcement to Portland and deputized our state police and several of our local agencies because our insanely “progressive” politicians are so dishonest and incompetent that they were allowing mobs to pull down statues (even one of an Elk), attack, smash windows and set fires at our central police precinct, federal courthouse and untold number of businesses. Yes, he was a law and order president.

As to the gleeful watching/supporting the violence at the capitol, I guessed it - an unnamed source told the baldfaced lying, virulently anti-Trump CNN. Good grief, if you believe CNN reporting on Trump, your opinions have no credibility.

You can believe what you choose to believe, but CNN and a bunch of their fellow far left outlets have lost credibility with their incessant conspiracy theories about Trump.

The more I see, the more it’s obvious that, notwithstanding his huge ego and tiresome self promotion, the “trying to overturn” an honest election (which wasn’t entirely honest, regardless of whether it was honest enough), inciting and gleefully encouraging the violence at the capitol, the traitor label just aren’t credible. Liars in the media are citing Trump’s “big lie” - the left has become so dishonest and so far off any reasonable policies that I think there is a serious threat to our democracy, but it’s not from Trump. My hope is that they’ve gone so far that the regular folks will wake up and put a stop to it.

I heard news today that Biden’s administration is now proposing compensating illegal aliens who have been separated from their families “for too long” $450,000 - you can’t make this stuff up.

I agree- fact checking is important - just try to avoid checking them with dishonest sources, and avoid leaping to extreme, unwarranted conclusions.

[bgreene]

Trump LOST the election by a wider margin than when he beat Clinton on 2016.
At that time trump praised our voting system .

Now trump LOST and with ZERO evidence of any real meaningful or significant shred of evidence he turned on his faithful VP Pence and turned against our democracy .

Because trump is a self serving lying con man traitor who obviously has classic malignant narcissistic personality disorder.

Here’s the complete report and video of the VIOLENT insurrection assault on our Capitol


https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/pol...upporters.html

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by bgreene

Trump LOST the election by a wider margin than when he beat Clinton on 2016.
At that time trump praised our voting system .

Now trump LOST and with ZERO evidence of any real meaningful or significant shred of evidence he turned on his faithful VP Pence and turned against our democracy .

Because trump is a self serving lying con man traitor who obviously has classic malignant narcissistic personality disorder.

Here’s the complete report and video of the VIOLENT insurrection assault on our Capitol


https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/pol...upporters.html

And of course, you cite a "news" source that has, for the last 5 years+ proven itself to be anti-Trump and that has had to print retraction after retraction of the whoppers (stories) that they have reported about President Trump. They are so biased that anything they print "might" have smidgen of truth in it someplace but it will be made to look far worse than whatever it is by their biased writings.

[scook]

To be fair, in 2016, he was praising a very different voting system. Much of the system that guarded the integrity of the balloting has been gutted, using COVID as an excuse to implement vulnerable mail-in systems. Many of these are illegal under the laws of the states implementing them.

The left seems a great deal more inclined to pass laws than to follow them.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

To be fair, in 2016, he was praising a very different voting system. Much of the system that guarded the integrity of the balloting has been gutted, using COVID as an excuse to implement vulnerable mail-in systems. Many of these are illegal under the laws of the states implementing them.

The left seems a great deal more inclined to pass laws than to follow them.

Wrong - our military has been using mail in voting for decades.
How do you think our troops around the world voted .
It works, is accurate and is part of the reason TRUMP LOST

Reason being most BIDEN supporters also knew to help limit COVID spread, it was safer, smarter, and more honorable to vote by mail than go in person to voting centers .
That’s why I ALSO voted by mail .

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

If you have honest sources for your statements about Trump watching with glee, encouraging violence, etc., I’ll look at them. Not CNN, who have thoroughly convinced me of their flagrantly dishonest anti-Trump campaign, but real coverage, actually showing the events, not some reporter’s opinion based on an unknown source. I’ll have a serious look at your sources - what I’ve seen doesn’t support those views.

Regarding the election issue, I haven’t seen anything that concerns me about free and fair elections being a risk. Trump pushed very hard to have results analyzed and was thwarted at pretty much every turn - states destroying ballots before they could be looked at critically, a state ordering, I believe a million mail-in Democrat ballots with no envelopes, after it was too late to use them legitimately, etc. As I said, I don’t know if an honest count of honest ballots would change the election result, but the claim that there’s zero evidence of significant fraud seems to me pretty inaccurate. No conspiracy theories involved - lots of issues being uncovered and ignored by anti-Trump folks.

There was certainly a conspiracy by the Clinton campaign, the FBI and additional bureaucracy against Trump that anti-Trump folks are happy to ignore and minimize.

I’d just like to actually see what you call for - real, complete truth and facts.

If all that’s happened this past year isn’t clear enough for you then trumps claim that he could shoot someone in Times Square NY and get away with it is true.