Reflections on the election.....

[bgreene]

Destroyer ........you mention debt

During his 2016 presidential campaign Trump PROMISED he would eliminate the nation’s debt in eight years.

Instead, his budget estimates showed that he would actually add at least $8.3 trillion, increasing debt to $28.5 trillion by 2025. In reality under Trump national debt reached that figure even sooner.

FACT When Trump took office in January 2017, the national debt stood at $19.9 trillion.
By October 2020, the national debt reached a new high of $27 trillion. That's an increase of almost 36% in less than four years

FACTS matter

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by bgreene

Destroyer ........you mention debt

During his 2016 presidential campaign Trump PROMISED he would eliminate the nation’s debt in eight years.

Instead, his budget estimates showed that he would actually add at least $8.3 trillion, increasing debt to $28.5 trillion by 2025. In reality under Trump national debt reached that figure even sooner.

FACT When Trump took office in January 2017, the national debt stood at $19.9 trillion.
By October 2020, the national debt reached a new high of $27 trillion. That's an increase of almost 36% in less than four years

FACTS matter

If Biden gets his way, here's another "fact". In his first 100 days in office Biden has proposed increases (under the guise of "infrastructure) of 4.8 Trillion dollars. As a timeline, that's way more than the 20 Trillion that Obama saddled us with during his first term, and way more than what Trump saddled us with during his first 100 days in office. Facts matter

Here's another fact. Most of the debt that Trump precided over was caused by a democrat controlled Congress. LOLOL

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

If Biden gets his way, here's another "fact". In his first 100 days in office Biden has proposed increases (under the guise of "infrastructure) of 4.8 Trillion dollars. As a timeline, that's way more than the 20 Trillion that Obama saddled us with during his first term, and way more than what Trump saddled us with during his first 100 days in office. Facts matter

Here's another fact. Most of the debt that Trump precided over was caused by a democrat controlled Congress. LOLOL

DESTROYER .......Obama inherited the GEORGE BUSH fiasco ......trillion dollar spend going after the wrong target after the 911 attack. Obamas stimulus plan cost money but resulted in the economic recovery that Trump inherited . FACT look it up .

You put quotes around my word fact as if its not true because youre a Trump supporter.
Thats what Trump did.........label things he didnt like as fake news.
His spokes person Kelly Conway even made up the term alternative facts .
There is no such thing .

Yes FACTS matter and Trump is a lying cheating con man traitor who may be in jail 2024 rather than running for office again. In jail for tax fraud business fraud and other crimes . As a traitor he should be in jail for high crimes against our nation.

[Destroyer]

Greenie, I'm sorry but I've had enough. It took me a while to realize that you're just trolling these forums looking for an argument. Here you even went back to a post that's 5 years old looking for a fight. 5 years!! What did you do, make a search of posts here just so you could find something to argue about? No matter what I or anyone else says you will just poo-poo it, add more useless comments and dribble about how bad orange man was. You're a troll with severe TDS and I should have seen it earlier. Debating you is useless, so go right ahead and spout all your distorted, useless facts and false information. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the A$$. I'm done talking to you.
Have a nice day.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Greenie, I'm sorry but I've had enough. It took me a while to realize that you're just trolling these forums looking for an argument. Here you even went back to a post that's 5 years old looking for a fight. 5 years!! What did you do, make a search of posts here just so you could find something to argue about? No matter what I or anyone else says you will just poo-poo it, add more useless comments and dribble about how bad orange man was. You're a troll with severe TDS and I should have seen it earlier. Debating you is useless, so go right ahead and spout all your distorted, useless facts and false information. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the A$$. I'm done talking to you.
Have a nice day.

TRUMPERS typically turn to anger and insults rather than deal with the truth.
I post FACTS not BS. BS is a waste of time .
This is the Political Forum and there are no rules specific to date of last reply.

You refer to the FACTS as useless.
I believe the facts are critically important to our great country’s history and future.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by bgreene

TRUMPERS typically turn to anger and insults rather than deal with the truth.
I post FACTS not BS. BS is a waste of time .
This is the Political Forum and there are no rules specific to date of last reply.
You refer to the FACTS as useless.
I believe the facts are critically important to our great country***8217;s history and future.

I said I was done talking to you, but you have made accusations about me that are not true, so I must respond.
First, no anger is present on my side. I'm not insulting anyone. I didn't use derogatory words like dumb, idiotic, stupid, snowflake, etc. The only thing I did was post facts. I used labels, well established for years now in internet jargon, to describe a particular type of person, . Troll is a descriptive adjective identifying a particular type of person. TDS is the same thing. These are not derogatory name calling, just identifiers.


I deal with truth on a daily basis, in everything I say and do.

The truth is I never said that facts were useless. Please show me where I said that. And yes, I agree with you that real facts, not the made up, spun lies that the left wing controlled media puts out, are critically important to our Country's history and future. (What a shame the Dem's don't).

So I have a question for you and all Dems.

I'm just so curious to know!

Last year, when Conservatives worried that a Biden victory would result in massive changes to tilt the playing field in favor of a perpetual Democrat majority***8212;specifically:
1) Packing the Supreme Court (to allow Democrats to fill 4 new positions and assure victory for their agenda, regardless of Constitutional merit)
2) Creating a New Democrat-majority state out of Washington DC (rather than allowing the residential areas of the district to revert to the state of MD.)
3) Ending the filibuster, so that the senate no longer is structured to ensure that 60% must agree to pass contentious laws.

When we fretted about this last fall we were assured that Biden was the ultimate middle-of-the-road guy, a reasonable correction to the divisive Trump.

Well, here we are, and all of the aforementioned items are on the agenda. Do not expect any to be vetoed by Biden.

My question(s) to you is: were you simply repeating talking points? Did you want this all along, and just pretended to be in favor of incremental changes that are supported by the majority?

I mean, I can't imagine that you would think that it would have been fine for the GOP to enlarge the court during the Trump administration. So, my conclusion is that this is a power grab, necessary to allow the enactment of laws that would never pass through justices that actually enforce the
Constitution (which statehood for DC does not permit)

If I sound a bit overwrought, it's just that it seems to me to be the end of our 2-party system. Or am I somehow wrong and we weren't lied to?

[bgreene]

DESTROYER .....I don’t pretend anything in these political posts .

Supreme Court ....
Do you remember when Republicans BLOCKED Obama’s very solid pick Merritt Garland.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnells BS excuse was it was too close to the election.
Total BS and no such law supported that refusal.

Then two months before this Presidential election after Ginsberg died , McConnell did the total reverse and said the Senate would do a quick vote to allow Trumps pick for the Supreme Court.

FYI .....the Supreme Court is not limited to 9 members and the number has varied through our history .

This thread being REFLECTIONS ON ELECTION ......should be a confirmation of Trump the traitor. He tried to steal a fair election, he tried to force even Republican state leaders to cheat on the election ( he’s on tape doing so ) and he purposefully allowed attack on our Capitol, leaders and Vice President .

Reflection on Election ?
How close we came to becoming a DICTATORSHIP under Trump.
May he spend the rest of his lying cheating life in our Super Max Prison.