Trump or crooked hillary vote for one I will start

[DiverDux]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

The thing that scares me the hell about HRC is not what *she* will do to our Country, but what will happen as a result of her SCOTUS appointments. Right now they are split 4-4 conservative/liberal. If she gets in she will appoint liberal judges that will tip the balance of power to the liberal way of thinking and we won't be able to stop them. They will "interpret" the constitution rather than follow it. We will get to a place in our Country that I'm not sure we will ever be able to recover from. That's what scares me the most.

Well said Destroyer-

The Supreme Court appointees that will come about over the course of the next 4-8 years is one of, if not the most important thing to consider when casting a ballot in November.

Take a walk through Arlington National Cemetery, the men and women burried there represent the liberty that we enjoy today. A vote for Hillary or any liberal Democrat for that matter disrespects the sacrifices these brave souls made.

[steplift20]

True they never cut there own grass but the differance is one hired an illegal alien the other hired a American owned company

[SkunkBoat]

Trump hired illegal Polacks and didn't pay them and contracted with lots of hard working American sub contractors (I personally know one of them) and didn't pay them either. They got stiffed but he still kept his helicopter and jet and billionaire lifestyle. He is a piece of crap, always has been, always will be.

[mawshj]

The question is not trump or hrc, they are both self serving as are many politicians. the question is big gov. or small gov. . Do we want more King Obama or more leave us alone Regan

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by mawshj

The question is not trump or hrc, they are both self serving as are many politicians. the question is big gov. or small gov. . Do we want more King Obama or more leave us alone Regan

There in lies the problem I have. Up until less than a decade ago, Trump was all about more obama. He's even on video admitting hevoted for obama in 08. So are we to believe the campaign promises of Trump, or his past record? And Trump has publicly admitted he felt Reagan was a poor president and that Clinton was our best(until campaign Trump came about, now he's backpeddling that one).

[SkunkBoat]

Originally Posted by DiverDux

Take a walk through Arlington National Cemetery, the men and women burried there represent the liberty that we enjoy today. A vote for Hillary or any liberal Democrat for that matter disrespects the sacrifices these brave souls made.

And this is bull$!##

How many 10s of thousands of those men voted for Roosevelt?
My father is in a National Cemetery and I will be too someday.
Crap, just crap....

[bradford]

Politics is an old Latin phrase.

Poly meaning "many".

Ticks meaning "small blood sucking organisms".

[steplift20]

Charlie the tuna
I knew there was something that I liked about you
Trump
Trump
Trump

[DiverDux]

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat

And this is bull$!##

How many 10s of thousands of those men voted for Roosevelt?
My father is in a National Cemetery and I will be too someday.
Crap, just crap....

Just to clarify, those headstones symbolize sacrifice and those sacrifices are why we enjoy the liberty afforded us in the Bill of Rights.

Obama, Hillary and their cronies have no respect for our liberty. They wish to rewrite the constitution to fit their thoughts and views. They will do this by stacking the Supreme Court with Justices who emulate their views.

SkunkBoat, while I do not agree with you regarding your political leanings, I respect your thoughts and views, as well as your right to believe them. I also cleary understand your thoughts regarding my views. A popular quote by Eric Hoffer comes to mind... "Rudeness is the weak (person's) immitation of strength." To this, I concur.

[SkunkBoat]

Originally Posted by DiverDux

Just to clarify, those headstones symbolize sacrifice and those sacrifices are why we enjoy the liberty afforded us in the Bill of Rights.

Obama, Hillary and their cronies have no respect for our liberty. They wish to rewrite the constitution to fit their thoughts and views. They will do this by stacking the Supreme Court with Justices who emulate their views.

SkunkBoat, while I do not agree with you regarding your political leanings, I respect your thoughts and views, as well as your right to believe them. I also cleary understand your thoughts regarding my views. A popular quote by Eric Hoffer comes to mind... "Rudeness is the weak (person's) immitation of strength." To this, I concur.

Slightly less than half of the electorate might agree with your statement about Obama and Hillary. Slightly more than half of the electorate might agree with this change to your statement;
"Trump,Cruz, Ryan, McConnell and their cronies have no respect for our liberty. They wish to rewrite the constitution to fit their thoughts and views. They will do this by stacking the Supreme Court with Justices who emulate their views."


I apologize if I was rude. It was a reaction to the implication that I am somehow disrespectful of the sacrifices of veterans. As a son of a 30 year Navy man and a 6 year sailor myself, I take your comment personally.

The Republican party and/or Trump(whatever he is) and you do not own the sacrifices of veterans, nor patriotism, nor the flag, nor the constitution.

And I'm not saying that the Democrats own them either.

I'm not a wide eyed fan of Hillary. She is an experienced, competent lawyer-politician and my guts hate that.
But face it, that is what Congressmen and Senators and Presidents have to be. They have to have knowledge of the workings of government and connections with enough people and groups and associations and businesses to get things done. Some people think that is the problem with government but that is democracy. People band together to argue for what they want.

Hillary has been under scrutiny for 25 years. There have been numerous multi-year, multi-million dollar special commission fishing expeditions trying to pin one thing or another on her. Say what you will, she kicks *** as a lawyer-politician and she's got HUGE balls to keep coming back for more.
I kinda want a bulldog like that working for me. At least she's not Bernie...

Trump will never hold up to that scrutiny. He has opened up a can of worms and he is going "regret" it.
All he has going for him is an appeal to gut reactions. It might feel good, but burning down your house to kill the rats in the attic just leaves you with no house. His rudeness feels good but...
A popular quote by Eric Hoffer comes to mind... "Rudeness is the weak (person's) immitation of strength."


I am so tired of this idea that the government is ruining America. "The Government" IS America. There is no America without it. It is full of every kind of American, doing things that at least some Americans want or not doing things that other Americans don't want. It is one giant messy compromise between us all. Been that way for 240 years.

I hear a lot of bad talk about "liberal democrats" and labor unions.
I don't consider myself a liberal democrat and I've never been in a union, but..
I like 40 hr work weeks, overtime, sick days and vacation, 401k, and medical /dental. I like cars with seat belts and airbags and disc brakes and 30 mpg. I like water and air without lead, arsenic and pcb's. I like the EPA (thank you Nixon). I like that my mom gets Social Security and Medicare. I like that my next door neighbor can't raise pigs because of zoning regulations. I like that I can call "the government" to make my neighbor remove the 20' storage container that has been in his driveway for a year and a half. My wife and I own a flower shop. I like that I can get the police to move a jacka$$ selling roses from a van on the side of the road because he doesn't have a vendor permit and a tax id number. I'm glad the north won the Civil War and kept America and Americans together. I hate to think what the world would be if that were not so. I like the end of segregation and Civil Rights Acts of 64 and 68 because they moved us closer to an America that lives by its words. I like the 14th Amendment that applies the US Bill of Rights to all State and local governments.

So yes, I'm going to vote for Democrats because, as screwed up as they are, at least they are trying to do things and succeeding at some of them. They are looking forward not backwards.
Republicans now just want to undo things. "Government regulation is bad. Vote for me and I'll do nothing new and I'll undo things that the people wanted before".

I think America is great NOW. I'm not afraid of Muslims or Mexicans.
I'm not afraid of ISIS or Al Quaida or the IRA or the KKK... The only way to beat terrorism is to be yourself, live by your values and not be terrified.
The only thing that can hurt America is a bunch of Americans who think they are going to save America from "The Government" with small arms and truck bombs.

So I'm done with the Politics thread.
I hope to see you in the Fishing threads