A well written piece

[reelapeelin]

Socialism...Greedy Capitalists are buying your politicians on both sides of the aisle like there is a fire sale on them...consider all the small mom & pops that are today closed and how many big box stores thrive on so many street corners across our land...

I AM a Capitalist...I engage in Capitalism DAILY...I believe in Capitalism as the basis of what made our country the great force in the world that it is today...but the Capitalism I believe in in is PURE Capitalism that operates in a truly FREE MARKET...as opposed to the GREEDY Capitaists who buy politicians and MANIPULATE our SUPPOSEDLY Free market...Folks, Socialism doesn't stand a chance of BECOMING the threat Greedy Capitalism has already BECOME.

George Soros doesn't buy politicians to promote his political ideology as many would have you believe...he buys 'em to promote his business interests, the same as the Koch Brothers and Adelson buy theirs...y'all keep fearing European Socialism if you wanna...but remember ol Oz once said it's a Red Herring to distract you from the real threat...It's a well written piece only if ya like yer grape juice chunky w/bullsh!t style...

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

Socialism...Greedy Capitalists are buying your politicians on both sides of the aisle like there is a fire sale on them...consider all the small mom & pops that are today closed and how many big box stores thrive on so many street corners across our land...

I AM a Capitalist...I engage in Capitalism DAILY...I believe in Capitalism as the basis of what made our country the great force in the world that it is today...but the Capitalism I believe in in is PURE Capitalism that operates in a truly FREE MARKET...as opposed to the GREEDY Capitaists who buy politicians and MANIPULATE our SUPPOSEDLY Free market...Folks, Socialism doesn't stand a chance of BECOMING the threat Greedy Capitalism has already BECOME.

George Soros doesn't buy politicians to promote his political ideology as many would have you believe...he buys 'em to promote his business interests, the same as the Koch Brothers and Adelson buy theirs...y'all keep fearing European Socialism if you wanna...but remember ol Oz once said it's a Red Herring to distract you from the real threat...It's a well written piece only if ya like yer grape juice chunky w/bullsh!t style...

Reel, I agree with you an many of your points, but let me ask you a question if I may? This is not a trick question to try and trip you up. It's an honest attempt on my part to try to understand and to learn.

If I understand you correctly, you are pointing out the big box stores as examples of capatilism going astray. Yet each and every one of them started out as a small mom and pop store serving a local area, and each and every one of them grew by hard work on the part of the founders of that company into what they are today.

So my question for you is this: At what point does a mom or pop capitalist become a greedy capitalist?

Do we limit the size of mom and pop stores? Do we force big box stores to downsize back into mom and pop stores? The fact is that each and every one of those stores became big by one simple rule. They offered a product at a better value than other stores did, so they grew and the other stores failed. That's capitalism. So what part of it is bad, and when do they reach that part?

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Reel, I agree with you an many of your points, but let me ask you a question if I may? This is not a trick question to try and trip you up. It's an honest attempt on my part to try to understand and to learn.

If I understand you correctly, you are pointing out the big box stores as examples of capatilism going astray. Yet each and every one of them started out as a small mom and pop store serving a local area, and each and every one of them grew by hard work on the part of the founders of that company into what they are today.

So my question for you is this: At what point does a mom or pop capitalist become a greedy capitalist?

Do we limit the size of mom and pop stores? Do we force big box stores to downsize back into mom and pop stores? The fact is that each and every one of those stores became big by one simple rule. They offered a product at a better value than other stores did, so they grew and the other stores failed. That's capitalism. So what part of it is bad, and when do they reach that part?

Great question...has nothing to do w/size or assets...it's WHAT THEY DO w/their assets...do they properly invest their profits and wisely grow their business on a fair and level playing fields...or do they do as the Home Depot Founder, Ken Langone has done and start buying up available politicians...companies are as individuals..there are those who cheat and those who don't...the ones who tip the scales of a free market in their favor by buying up the power of your and my vote are cheats...plain and simple...and I just read and article about who the main players in political "contributors" are and they are as plentiful on the right as they are on the left...it's just this election cycle, the ones on the right are the ones licking their wounds cuz all the hundreds of millions of dollars they thought they were buying a presidency with, went down the drain on 'em...cold have just as easily gone in the crapper on the other side...

So it ain't what size...it's what intent...to cheat...or not...to think cheating is being "smart"...some justify it in their minds by saying, Everybody does it so why shouldn't I be smart?...Destroyer, if we've gotten to the point in this country that a large company has to own a stable of politicians to be successful, then we're in deeper ka-ka than even I thought...and I'm pretty cynical about it...

[yodaddy]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

Socialism...Greedy Capitalists are buying your politicians on both sides of the aisle like there is a fire sale on them.

No doubt money is what has polluted our political system. The question is, how to get money out of politics without trampling on the 1st Amendment? As for the "Greedy Capitalists" label, I'd say it is just Greed of all flavors. The people looting us aren't capitalists , they're thieves.

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

.Folks, Socialism doesn't stand a chance of BECOMING the threat Greedy Capitalism has already BECOME.

Socialism has given us the gimme mentality that will destroy us, and emboldened politicians to keep doing more of the same. The politicians keep on giving away our money to buy voting blocks, but that train is headed for a major wreck. Welfare cost us $1 TRILLION this year, with 40% of that being borrowed money. How long can it continue?

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by yodaddy

Socialism has given us the gimme mentality that will destroy us, and emboldened politicians to keep doing more of the same. The politicians keep on giving away our money to buy voting blocks, but that train is headed for a major wreck. Welfare cost us $1 TRILLION this year, with 40% of that being borrowed money. How long can it continue?

Speaking of gimme mentalities...have ya noticed how many US corporations making mega bucks, not only don't pay a dime in taxes, but also receive government subsidies...the trillion dollars you mention is a drop in the bucket compared to the corporate welfare you don't hear so much about....then we can talk about the 2 BILLION dollars A WEEK spent supplying the troops in Afgahnistan that goes to Haliburton, GE and the like who also pay no taxes and are not subsidized, but wholly supported by our tax dollars...cut them off and cut the trillion you mention...and see who HOLLERS the loudest...man if we're gonna complain about welfare, let's talk about the one that's REALLY costing us money...

[yodaddy]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

Speaking of gimme mentalities...have ya noticed how many US corporations making mega bucks, not only don't pay a dime in taxes, but also receive government subsidies...the trillion dollars you mention is a drop in the bucket compared to the corporate welfare you don't hear so much about....then we can talk about the 2 BILLION dollars A WEEK spent supplying the troops in Afgahnistan that goes to Haliburton, GE and the like who also pay no taxes and are not subsidized, but wholly supported by our tax dollars...cut them off and cut the trillion you mention...and see who HOLLERS the loudest...man if we're gonna complain about welfare, let's talk about the one that's REALLY costing us money...

Big corporations hire people, build things, and create wealth. You get less of anything you tax, so of course, let's tax corporations into the ground. The only major corporations I hear of that aren't paying taxes are GE and Apple, both of which are in bed with the Obama regime.

We shouldn't be in Afghanistan. The majority of the 9-11 terrorists were Saudi nationals, so we retaliated against Afghanistan. Go figure.

[spareparts]

that book is a hard read, but about two thirds of the way thru, it will hit you, " so that's what they are trying to do"

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by yodaddy

Big corporations hire people, build things, and create wealth. You get less of anything you tax, so of course, let's tax corporations into the ground. The only major corporations I hear of that aren't paying taxes are GE and Apple, both of which are in bed with the Obama regime.

We shouldn't be in Afghanistan. The majority of the 9-11 terrorists were Saudi nationals, so we retaliated against Afghanistan. Go figure.

You took it to the extreme to diminish its credibility...I didn't say nor would I support, "Taxing them into the ground"...there is a point of balance that they can afford and remain viable and still contribute beyond loading the tax burden on the employees...if yer OK w/paying more taxes so corporations can pay none then that's your call...

Afghanistan is where our enemies retreated to so they could have quick access to the Pakistani border...which is where we got Bin Laden...he didn't hide in Saudi Arabia...that said, after 10+ years there, it's time to get out and stop the madness of staying there in order to feed our tax dollars through Haliburton and the rest of the Military Industrial Complex so their shareholders can prosper...

And BTW...the Trillion dollar figure mentioned earlier in welfare is an exaggerated number...what ever it is, I agree w/you it's too much and needs to be trimmed back...and most of all, having babies to provide a check has got to be stopped..that policy is pure madness...and it's obvious that neither party has the cajones to stop it...

[yodaddy]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

You took it to the extreme to diminish its credibility...I didn't say nor would I support, "Taxing them into the ground"...there is a point of balance that they can afford and remain viable and still contribute beyond loading the tax burden on the employees...if yer OK w/paying more taxes so corporations can pay none then that's your call...

I was just venting at the socialist mindset to "get the rich, and soak the evil corporations". Corporate income is double taxed, once as a corp, then again as dividends. Drop both of those taxes and business would come back to the US in droves. More jobs = higher income tax revenue (evil in and of itself), and our tax rates should go down.

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

Afghanistan is where our enemies retreated to so they could have quick access to the Pakistani border...which is where we got Bin Laden...he didn't hide in Saudi Arabia.

Beg to differ. AQ and the 9-11 attackers were funded by OBL and other Saudi nationals, some with connections to the Royal Family - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...da.htmlprinces. The Saudis **** on us and we turn a blind eye because of the oil they're sitting on. The Saudis through AQ attacked us on 9-11, and if we really wanted to deal with AQ we'd hold Saudi Arabia accountable.

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

And BTW...the Trillion dollar figure mentioned earlier in welfare is an exaggerated number...what ever it is, I agree w/you it's too much and needs to be trimmed back...and most of all, having babies to provide a check has got to be stopped..that policy is pure madness...and it's obvious that neither party has the cajones to stop it...

The trillion dollar number is accurate - http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/18/re...1-03-trillion/ . Add the amount from the 2011 Congressional Research Service report for direct Federal spending ($745.84 billion) with the
$282.7 billion spent by states on Federal welfare programs, and you get 1.03 trillion. Numbers for 2012 will be much higher. True that no one has the stones to stop it.

Socialism is evil, and will be the undoing of this once great nation.

[RidgeRunner]

1.2 Trillon dollar number is accurate.
No disputing that big Corporations try to buy the vote.
Problem is the left want it all Reel.

True blue bloods at the DNC - Gotta laugh at these Obama supporters they were so punked. Sad thing is they believe in what they said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fTsF5BiSM