More jobs go overseas...

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I think that everyones still missing the point I was trying to make. You all have good intentions...get the bad ones out, get good ones in, etc etc ... but.. HOW do you know that the ones you put in will be any different...and if they are bad...HOW do you get rid of them quickly... SEE???...THAT'S the problem in a nutshell... once they are in power it's almost impossible to get them out of power... How do we change the laws...the very Constitution itself if need be, to make those that are supposed to be serving us actually do so?

Our founders made a critical mistake....they put term limits in to force people to actually serve the length of the term they were elected to. See...we were a farming society back then, and a farmer away from his farm and crops for too long was bad for his farm...so they would leave after a year or so... so term limits were put in to force them to serve longer... no one ever thought that people would actually want to make a career out of it... But now, those same term limits are preventing us ....we, the people...from getting rid of the crooks and bad politicians effectively. THAT is the problem...HOW do we get rid of them before they do damage to us??? Waiting around for 4 or 6 years simply is NOT acceptable... They can change a lot of laws in 6 years... just look at where we are now if you doubt me. As I see it, we are at the brink of a revolution. Maybe not a bloody war, but rather a shift where the people become slaves to the dictators... and remember...they have the big guns and technology where they can force us to do what they want. It's actually happening right now...slowly, quietly but happening never the less..We now have a government that is forcing us to get health insurance, whether we want it or not, We are now forced to wear seat belts, helmets for motercycles and bikes, use less sugar in our diets, smoke outside or not smoke at all, use less trans fats, ethanol in our gas, permits if we want to build a house or make a change to them, less salt, less this, less that, etc etc etc...and those are just some of the obvious changes where we are being forced to do things that we never had to do before... they are using our fears as weapons against us... it's all in the name of "safety" or "ecology" or whatever they care to call it, but the result is the same... We're losing our freedoms at an alarming rate. And each of our generations, since they only see what is, not what used to be, doesn't realize that they lost this or that ability ... so they just accept it as normal... We are becoming more and more dependant on government for everything...and slowly, quietly, we are losing our freedoms..That's what I meant when I said wake up!!! Don't you see?

Obama shoved his health care down our throats, just like Bush shoved the patriot act down our throats...which are two good examples of power grabbing from both sides of the aisle...given any opportunity, they will continue to take as much power as they can as surely as the sea erodes the land...
You say, Wake up and I believe a lot of people are...the tea party and the occupiers are good examples...problem is, they are DIVIDED...spawned from separate ideologies so they became enemies instead of allies...curious thing is, they want virtually the same thing, which is to get our country back from those who are destroying it...
You say, How do we know when we got the right ones?...same way you keep rats away from your kitchen...you put the cheese away. The rats are invading because the cheese is easy pickins', so we get greedy rats instead of statesmen who make themselves into CAREER POLITICIANS...THAT, my friend is the enemy of democracy and THAT is what we can stop by outting the incumbent at every voting cycle...don't leave them in long enough to achieve the arrogance of power...take away the cheese...SC had Fritz Hollings and Strom Thurman as Sr Senators FOR DECADES!!...it's OUTRAGEOUS!!...THESE TWO PEOPLE GOT SO FILTHY RICH AS PUBLIC SERVANTS (HA!)...not to mention the POWER they wielded...it's absurd...and and unfortunately a good example of what WE the people should NEVER ALLOW...election cycles=term limits...voting your party line=career politicians...
Take away the cheese and the rats will quit coming...and they will be replaced by sincere statesmen...as much as it turns your stomach, vote the incumbent out every time...if politics were not such a nasty business, I believe Colin Powell would be president or candidate...I'd run to the polls to vote for him...but he's not gonna lower himself to sludging around in the political sewer that has become today's ruling parties...vote 'em out...I don't think it'll take as long as you fear...

[nipper]

There are no term limits for Congress. Never have been. No one elected to Congress has been forced to serve the length of their term. The only term limit is for the President, and that did not come into effext until after FDR's 4 terms. You are right though that Framers of Constitution did not include term limits because they thought Senators and Representatives (and the President) would want to get back to their districts/farm/business and people simply did not live nearly long back in the 18th century as we do now.

[awthacker]

Anybody notice that Rick Santorum's surge has been noticeably absent from the news media?

[bradford]

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

Obama shoved his health care down our throats, just like Bush shoved the patriot act down our throats...which are two good examples of power grabbing from both sides of the aisle...given any opportunity, they will continue to take as much power as they can as surely as the sea erodes the land...
You say, Wake up and I believe a lot of people are...the tea party and the occupiers are good examples...problem is, they are DIVIDED...spawned from separate ideologies so they became enemies instead of allies...curious thing is, they want virtually the same thing, which is to get our country back from those who are destroying it...
You say, How do we know when we got the right ones?...same way you keep rats away from your kitchen...you put the cheese away. The rats are invading because the cheese is easy pickins', so we get greedy rats instead of statesmen who make themselves into CAREER POLITICIANS...THAT, my friend is the enemy of democracy and THAT is what we can stop by outting the incumbent at every voting cycle...don't leave them in long enough to achieve the arrogance of power...take away the cheese...SC had Fritz Hollings and Strom Thurman as Sr Senators FOR DECADES!!...it's OUTRAGEOUS!!...THESE TWO PEOPLE GOT SO FILTHY RICH AS PUBLIC SERVANTS (HA!)...not to mention the POWER they wielded...it's absurd...and and unfortunately a good example of what WE the people should NEVER ALLOW...election cycles=term limits...voting your party line=career politicians...
Take away the cheese and the rats will quit coming...and they will be replaced by sincere statesmen...as much as it turns your stomach, vote the incumbent out every time...if politics were not such a nasty business, I believe Colin Powell would be president or candidate...I'd run to the polls to vote for him...but he's not gonna lower himself to sludging around in the political sewer that has become today's ruling parties...vote 'em out...I don't think it'll take as long as you fear...

Actually, I heard a nice answer on the TV the other day.. It was on some late night show...don't recall which one...but the person said (and I wholeheartly agree) that the quickest answer to getting rid of the career politicians is to simply pass a law that states that anyone that serves a term is banned from holding any other Federal office again for life. (You can stagger the elections for Congressmen and Senators so there is always continuity within the houses). The only exception is the office of president, who can serve 2 terms, and then is banned for life from any other office. Oh, and they do NOT get the nice cushy pensions for life at full pay that they get now. They become John and Jane Doe again in the private sector with no special perks. And the way you change the law is you require anyone running for office to sign a contract BEFORE being elected that they will vote for the law once they are elected or they must resign. Kinda sounds too simple, but boy, it makes a lot of sense.

[jeffmo]

personally,i think that getting big money out of politics,campaign contributions,lobbying in DC,etc., would go a very long way in fixing things.
We have the best politicians money can buy!

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by jeffmo

personally,i think that getting big money out of politics,campaign contributions,lobbying in DC,etc., would go a very long way in fixing things.
We have the best politicians money can buy!

Exactly right, but the problem is that the politicians make the laws, and as long as they do, they will never make a law that really gets rid of their gravy train.

[parishht]

Ok guys, I just took a college course on U.S. - Mexico borderlands and wow what an eye opener.
A lot of what is happening there is just crazy.
I had to do a report on NAFTA and I could not believe what I found, check out this site:

http://www.nascocorridor.com/

[Redneck]

So how do you think the pepole of CANADA feel about your Goverment and the free ( dirty )oil that keeps flowing from Alberta south. We get around 1 cent on the dollar. We are sending RAW product for nothing!!!!! We can't produce the by products off of it then or get a decent price for it. Now they want to block the Keystone pipeline WTF you thinking? free product to fill your refinres hello anyone home. Now the China is going to get it all what do you think will happen when that happens it won't be good for any of us over here. Then our Goverment with there head compleatly up there A$$ brings over 100,000 workers from all over the world to help with the shortage of SKILLED workes. I work through the in the Alberta oil sands for the second largest union hall in north america We tried to get the boarder open for the good O'l USA to be able to come up here and work ( good neighbor thing ) of course they didn't do that. Bet that would have helped out if 100,000 Americans could have worked up here during your hard times. Now half of them have stayed and soaked up all the low skill jobs so a kid in school that wants to make a few bucks at a fast food joint just can't there are no possitions to be had. Ordering a burger is like talking with an IT guy in India not sure what was said or what you ordered.