More jobs go overseas...

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I completely agree Reel... As a matter of fact, after my last post I sat thinking and came to the conclusion that the tone of this discussion had turned "antagonistic" and personal. I've gone to great lengths to not single out any one person and to make sure that anyone that read anything that I wrote understood that I was writing about society as a whole and not anyone here as an individual. Unfortunatly, some of the responses did not follow the same venue. The last thing that I want is any bad feelings, so I've decided that I'm going to try to not make any more posts other than wishing people well, happy beirthday, etc.

That being said though, let me ask you and everyone else here one final question. (If what you say is correct, and I have no doubt that it is).

How do we fix it without discussing it?

See, I've always thought that you cannot fix any problem unless you discuss the possible causes and solutions with the other people that are involved. And I completely agree with you that we, (the American public) needs to wake up and get our heads out of the political party sand. But how do we do that without discussion? So I ask again.... how do we do it?

That's the easy part, Destroyer...redirect your anger at those who are the real threat...I contend that to be our lawmakers, elected officials, politicians...whatever you decide to call them...there is not one problem we have today, that wasn't CAUSED or ALLOWED by Congress and the Executive Branches of our modern day government...that over the last 30-40 years while Dems AND Reps have come and gone...

The guys who disagreed w/you ARE NOT the problem...liberals ARE NOT your problem...conservatives ARE NOT the problem...healthy discussions of different points of view shouldn't be sensored...and shouldn't be escalated into WWIII levels. But we are human and emotions are many times brought into discussion...It makes me as mad as hell to watch what our government is doing to us...but just gettin mad ain't gonna CHANGE anything...staying calm and finding ways to come together against the people who seek to rob us of our money and rights will get the job done...and admitting there are those on BOTH sides of the aisle...if every Dem dropped dead tomorrow, the lobbyists wouldn't go away...if every Rep croaked 1st thing in the morning, the Dems would still be on the take...your vote doesn't mean a thing when theirs is FOR SALE...THAT'S our enemy...and we should be DEMANDING it STOP and focusing that DEMAND toward Washington..not each other...

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

That's the easy part, Destroyer...redirect your anger at those who are the real threat...I contend that to be our lawmakers, elected officials, politicians...whatever you decide to call them...there is not one problem we have today, that wasn't CAUSED or ALLOWED by Congress and the Executive Branches of our modern day government...that over the last 30-40 years while Dems AND Reps have come and gone...

The guys who disagreed w/you ARE NOT the problem...liberals ARE NOT your problem...conservatives ARE NOT the problem...healthy discussions of different points of view shouldn't be censored...and shouldn't be escalated into WWIII levels. But we are human and emotions are many times brought into discussion...It makes me as mad as hell to watch what our government is doing to us...but just gettin mad ain't gonna CHANGE anything...staying calm and finding ways to come together against the people who seek to rob us of our money and rights will get the job done...and admitting there are those on BOTH sides of the aisle...if every Dem dropped dead tomorrow, the lobbyists wouldn't go away...if every Rep croaked 1st thing in the morning, the Dems would still be on the take...your vote doesn't mean a thing when theirs is FOR SALE...THAT'S our enemy...and we should be DEMANDING it STOP and focusing that DEMAND toward Washington..not each other...

I'm sorry, I thought that I had made it clear, I'm not angry at any one group. I'm angry at the system. I'm a conservative. I don't want people changing my Country or it's laws.

Reel, those are good words...fine words... intelligent words... and you're completely correct... You're saying what I've been trying to say for a while now. But don't you see? All you've done is identify the problem.. you've identified who is responsible... and i think we all know, to one sort or another, that what you've said is correct. but you didn't answer my question. You answered who is to blame. And I asked how do we fix it.

See, here's the problem. The US Congress is made up of 100 Senators and 435 Representatives. While the Representatives are commonly referred to as "Congressman", in fact all 535 members of Congress are technically Congressmen and women. The term of a Representative is 2 years. A Senator serves for 6 years. The President has a term of 4 years, may only serve 2 consecutive terms, but can be elected again after missing one term. There is no limit to the number of terms a Representative or Senator may serve. My point is that once a person is in office it's like trying to remove an embeded tick. They can promise you the world, but once they are in office all they have to be beholding to are the special interests that are pumping money into their wallets.
So you have to wait 2 to 6 years to remove the crook, and meanwhile he or she is taking (stealing) your money and your freedoms little by little. Just remember that EVERY law that they pass in some way takes away a little of either yours or someone elses freedom. Over time, you're suddenly left with nothing, you become a virtual slave to them, while they bask in luxury that you pay for. So I ask you again.. how do we definatively identify and then get rid of these thieves? They make the laws that keep them in office. And they shape those laws so they stay in office. (It's called redistricting). So, how do we, as citizens, insure that whoever we replace them with does what we want? And how do we get rid of them quickly before they can do any real damage if they don't? I don't know... I'm hoping that someone can give me an answer.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

You answered who is to blame. And I asked how do we fix it.

I'm hoping that someone can give me an answer.

That's the hard part...cuz it goes all against everything you have come to believe as a Republican...and it will go against everything every Democrat ever believed...Here's how to fix it...

Vote the incumbent OUT every election cycle!!....

That's where it gets hard, cuz you would have had to vote for Obama last presidential election cycle...or Kerry the one before...more importantly, you would have had to vote for the Dem Senatorial candidate...and lot of Dems would have to vote for Reps...but they see each other as enemies, so they're missing the true root of their problems which are the money-grabbin' parasites on both sides

When we as a people grow up enough to pull up our Big-Boy britches and stop buying into the bunk about , My party right or wrong crap, THEN we can renew the America we THOUGHT we had back when you put your hand over your heart and said the Pledge of Allegiance in elementary school...it's a big scam and that's what we gotta do ti call their bluff...it'll prevent career politicians (parasites) from gaining any real power and diminish the desire to choose politics as a get rich quick/easy scheme for the class of people who REALLY don't want to work for a living...the politicians...

[randlemanboater]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I'm hoping that someone can give me an answer.

The sad truth is, it will never change because the very people who can change it, don't want to change it. They have gotten rather used to their posh lifestyle.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by randlemanboater

The sad truth is, it will never change because the very people who can change it, don't want to change it. They have gotten rather used to their posh lifestyle.

You're right...if we leave it up to them, it'll never change...but it can change if we decide to change it...with their cooperation or without it...if we're not will to set aside the party BS that keeps us divided and their gravy train flowing, then we'll continue to live, not as free Americans w/a voice in our government, but as workers under the thumb of big money's puppetry of our society...it really is in our hands...it's up to us...

[parishht]

Why are all teh negative stories brought to the forefront, what about the positive stories. I know it is easy for me because I work for Volvo, but they have looked closely at their business decisions and are now in the process of on-shoring components that have been made in other countries.
Right now, they are setting up a transmission assembly line in the Hagerstown, Md facility, they are going gangbusters in Shippensburg at the construction equipment facility.
We are contracting many U.S suppliers right now.

[Destroyer]

I think that everyones still missing the point I was trying to make. You all have good intentions...get the bad ones out, get good ones in, etc etc ... but.. HOW do you know that the ones you put in will be any different...and if they are bad...HOW do you get rid of them quickly... SEE???...THAT'S the problem in a nutshell... once they are in power it's almost impossible to get them out of power... How do we change the laws...the very Constitution itself if need be, to make those that are supposed to be serving us actually do so?

Our founders made a critical mistake....they put term limits in to force people to actually serve the length of the term they were elected to. See...we were a farming society back then, and a farmer away from his farm and crops for too long was bad for his farm...so they would leave after a year or so... so term limits were put in to force them to serve longer... no one ever thought that people would actually want to make a career out of it... But now, those same term limits are preventing us ....we, the people...from getting rid of the crooks and bad politicians effectively. THAT is the problem...HOW do we get rid of them before they do damage to us??? Waiting around for 4 or 6 years simply is NOT acceptable... They can change a lot of laws in 6 years... just look at where we are now if you doubt me. As I see it, we are at the brink of a revolution. Maybe not a bloody war, but rather a shift where the people become slaves to the dictators... and remember...they have the big guns and technology where they can force us to do what they want. It's actually happening right now...slowly, quietly but happening never the less..We now have a government that is forcing us to get health insurance, whether we want it or not, We are now forced to wear seat belts, helmets for motercycles and bikes, use less sugar in our diets, smoke outside or not smoke at all, use less trans fats, ethanol in our gas, permits if we want to build a house or make a change to them, less salt, less this, less that, etc etc etc...and those are just some of the obvious changes where we are being forced to do things that we never had to do before... they are using our fears as weapons against us... it's all in the name of "safety" or "ecology" or whatever they care to call it, but the result is the same... We're losing our freedoms at an alarming rate. And each of our generations, since they only see what is, not what used to be, doesn't realize that they lost this or that ability ... so they just accept it as normal... We are becoming more and more dependant on government for everything...and slowly, quietly, we are losing our freedoms..That's what I meant when I said wake up!!! Don't you see?

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I think that everyones still missing the point I was trying to make. You all have good intentions...get the bad ones out, get good ones in, etc etc ... but.. HOW do you know that the ones you put in will be any different...and if they are bad...HOW do you get rid of them quickly... SEE???...THAT'S the problem in a nutshell... once they are in power it's almost impossible to get them out of power... How do we change the laws...the very Constitution itself if need be, to make those that are supposed to be serving us actually do so?

Our founders made a critical mistake....they put term limits in to force people to actually serve the length of the term they were elected to. See...we were a farming society back then, and a farmer away from his farm and crops for too long was bad for his farm...so they would leave after a year or so... so term limits were put in to force them to serve longer... no one ever thought that people would actually want to make a career out of it... But now, those same term limits are preventing us ....we, the people...from getting rid of the crooks and bad politicians effectively. THAT is the problem...HOW do we get rid of them before they do damage to us??? Waiting around for 4 or 6 years simply is NOT acceptable... They can change a lot of laws in 6 years... just look at where we are now if you doubt me. As I see it, we are at the brink of a revolution. Maybe not a bloody war, but rather a shift where the people become slaves to the dictators... and remember...they have the big guns and technology where they can force us to do what they want. It's actually happening right now...slowly, quietly but happening never the less..We now have a government that is forcing us to get health insurance, whether we want it or not, We are now forced to wear seat belts, helmets for motercycles and bikes, use less sugar in our diets, smoke outside or not smoke at all, use less trans fats, ethanol in our gas, permits if we want to build a house or make a change to them, less salt, less this, less that, etc etc etc...and those are just some of the obvious changes where we are being forced to do things that we never had to do before... they are using our fears as weapons against us... it's all in the name of "safety" or "ecology" or whatever they care to call it, but the result is the same... We're losing our freedoms at an alarming rate. And each of our generations, since they only see what is, not what used to be, doesn't realize that they lost this or that ability ... so they just accept it as normal... We are becoming more and more dependant on government for everything...and slowly, quietly, we are losing our freedoms..That's what I meant when I said wake up!!! Don't you see?

Obama shoved his health care down our throats, just like Bush shoved the patriot act down our throats...which are two good examples of power grabbing from both sides of the aisle...given any opportunity, they will continue to take as much power as they can as surely as the sea erodes the land...
You say, Wake up and I believe a lot of people are...the tea party and the occupiers are good examples...problem is, they are DIVIDED...spawned from separate ideologies so they became enemies instead of allies...curious thing is, they want virtually the same thing, which is to get our country back from those who are destroying it...
You say, How do we know when we got the right ones?...same way you keep rats away from your kitchen...you put the cheese away. The rats are invading because the cheese is easy pickins', so we get greedy rats instead of statesmen who make themselves into CAREER POLITICIANS...THAT, my friend is the enemy of democracy and THAT is what we can stop by outting the incumbent at every voting cycle...don't leave them in long enough to achieve the arrogance of power...take away the cheese...SC had Fritz Hollings and Strom Thurman as Sr Senators FOR DECADES!!...it's OUTRAGEOUS!!...THESE TWO PEOPLE GOT SO FILTHY RICH AS PUBLIC SERVANTS (HA!)...not to mention the POWER they wielded...it's absurd...and and unfortunately a good example of what WE the people should NEVER ALLOW...election cycles=term limits...voting your party line=career politicians...
Take away the cheese and the rats will quit coming...and they will be replaced by sincere statesmen...as much as it turns your stomach, vote the incumbent out every time...if politics were not such a nasty business, I believe Colin Powell would be president or candidate...I'd run to the polls to vote for him...but he's not gonna lower himself to sludging around in the political sewer that has become today's ruling parties...vote 'em out...I don't think it'll take as long as you fear...

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by parishht

Why are all the negative stories brought to the forefront, what about the positive stories. I know it is easy for me because I work for Volvo, but they have looked closely at their business decisions and are now in the process of on-shoring components that have been made in other countries.
Right now, they are setting up a transmission assembly line in the Hagerstown, Md facility, they are going gangbusters in Shippensburg at the construction equipment facility.
We are contracting many U.S suppliers right now.

Because negative stories sell papers.. No one wants to hear about a cat being rescued from a tree or Lassie saving Timmy who fell down a well again.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by parishht

Why are all teh negative stories brought to the forefront, what about the positive stories. I know it is easy for me because I work for Volvo, but they have looked closely at their business decisions and are now in the process of on-shoring components that have been made in other countries.
Right now, they are setting up a transmission assembly line in the Hagerstown, Md facility, they are going gangbusters in Shippensburg at the construction equipment facility.
We are contracting many U.S suppliers right now.

Yer right...good news seldom MAKES the news...I'm sincerely glad to hear Volvo is investing inside the US...makes me wanna go buy one...which leads me to believe Volvo is missing the boat by not publisizing their domestic growth...for some reason or other they are choosing not to...can't believe they've simply overlooked it...that's what corporations like Volvo have Public Relations Departments and contract advertising agencys is to make sure the news, good or bad gets handled properly...IMO, they're missing an opportunity...