Whale Wars

[RWilson2526]

http://www.highnorth.no/Library/Publ...d/wh-an-in.htm

This is some interesting reading....no wonder whaling continues....I'll have to take some more time to read more thoroughly but it seems that the whole non whaling thing is voluntary and even if you volunteer not to you still can if you want to.

[RidgeRunner]

Originally Posted by RWilson2526

http://www.highnorth.no/Library/Publ...d/wh-an-in.htm

This is some interesting reading....no wonder whaling continues....I'll have to take some more time to read more thoroughly but it seems that the whole non whaling thing is voluntary and even if you volunteer not to you still can if you want to.

I read enough. If there is no treaty prohibiting whaling then aren't the activist breaking the law with their constant harassment and attempt at disabling the whaling ships?
New Zealand, Norway, Japan and a few others still practice whaling, as part of their heritage. I remember the story National Geographic did recently on the Eskimos taking the Norwhals in Alaska. Generally, I hate it when someone comes up with a cause and then tries to ram it down my throat so I am back and forth on this one. I feel for the fisherman who are trying to preserve their way of life but in no way do I believe the whales should be harvested anymore. I visited the Whaling Museum and the Bethel in New Bedford, MA. The impression I had was that whaling was done. I guess it is for the US proper.
I understand the emotional powderkeg involved with the issue but, does anyone have unbiased data on whether or not their harvest presents a danger to sustainability? What a waste of a resource, those animals are unbelievable.
I did see where the captain was banished from Greenpeace. It appears that he was a charter member (#8) when Greenpeace began but Greenpeace has distanced themselves from this guy. They claim they disagree with his tactics, he claims they are jelous of his results.

[RABBITFISH]

If those guys were protesting the catching of Salmon, or trout or tuna whatever, could they pull off those stunts to you? I wonder exactly how far their responsibility goes when creating a dangerous situation like that?

[RidgeRunner]

Originally Posted by RABBITFISH

If those guys were protesting the catching of Salmon, or trout or tuna whatever, could they pull off those stunts to you?

That is my question, anybody know exactly when it would be allowed to go on the offense against such protest? The Japanese seem to be there legally.



I wonder exactly how far their responsibility goes when creating a dangerous situation like that?

They brag that they are responsible for sinking 10 Whaling ships so far.

Rules of crossing at sea, the vessel on port must give way to the vessel on the starboard. The Japanese ship seems to be in the wrong and indeed aiming for the smaller boat. If the Sea Shepherd didn't get into trouble for ramming and sinking 10 whaling ships I see little or no consequence for the Japanese disabling the Ady Gil.?

[Pipe_Dream]

Watching the first video twice, I felt it was likely that the Japanese ship turned into the SS vessel, because as RW said the SS boat didn't seem to be making any headway. The second video confirmed that this was indeed the case, in a big way. The Japanese captain may have felt he was going to force the other boat to veer away in time, but he was mistaken. Note how the hose spray continued, even after the collision.

Edit: I'm not taking a position on the pros or cons of the issue, only the collision.

[Road King Cole]

I am all for the protection of endangered species and stuff like that, but greenpeace and PETA just makes a mockery of their own campaigns with all the stupid stunts they pull.

[RWilson2526]

Originally Posted by RidgeRunner

I read enough. If there is no treaty prohibiting whaling then aren't the activist breaking the law with their constant harassment and attempt at disabling the whaling ships?
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If I remember from the show I believe that Japan is a voluntary member of the ICW or whatever acronym it is. The environmentalist's beef is that they signed the treaty but they are still doing it. If they wouldn't have signed it then it would appear that no one could have a legal problem.

[reelapeelin]

That Japanese Captain should lose his license...it's clear as a bell, particularly from the 2nd video, that he intentionally steered his boat into the smaller vessel...they can hose 'em down all they wanna, but turning into them without regard to life and saftey should not be overlooked...

I believe it's a shame some cultures are still killing some of the most magnificent animals that ever existed on this planet...but as long as I continue to enjoy a good steak as much as I do, then who am I to throw off on others who use whale oil and eat the flesh...

[bcmarinamanager]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

That Japanese Captain should lose his license...it's clear as a bell, particularly from the 2nd video, that he intentionally steered his boat into the smaller vessel...they can hose 'em down all they wanna, but turning into them without regard to life and saftey should not be overlooked...

I believe it's a shame some cultures are still killing some of the most magnificent animals that ever existed on this planet...but as long as I continue to enjoy a good steak as much as I do, then who am I to throw off on others who use whale oil and eat the flesh...

I agree Reel. Even if the Jap didn't turn INTO the SS boat, it is his (Jap Capt.)RESPONSIBILITY to avoid any colliosion at any time. Even if he did have the right of way, it is the responsibility of every captain to avoid collisions regardless of right-of-way. The second vid did appear to show the Jap boat turning into the SS boat.


Charlie, how exactly has man destroyed 99% of species that have ever lived on this planet? The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs can't even compete with that. I don't agree with whaling, but that seems to be a really big stretch. Kinda like "global warming". The planet and mother Earth is far more powerful at keeping natural balance than humans give her credit for. I'm not disputing the fact that man has caused the extinction of thousands (probably) of species, but lets get real.

[charlie_the_tuna]

hey bc, this is fact.
transformation of landscape.
overexploitation of species.
pollution.
introduction of alien species.
the sixth extinction is directly attributed to homo sapiens. phase one began when humans began to explore and disperse to different regions of the world.
phase two can be attributed to the beginning of agriculture.
wherever early humans migrated, other species became extinct. earth cannot sustain the trend in human population. it is reaching its limit in carrying capacity. less than 10% of the worlds species have survived the worlds sixth mass extinction. none are expected to survive the next one.
some experts have estimated that up to half of presently existing species will become extinct by 2100.
by the mid 1980's tropical rainforests were being cleared at a rate of 20 million acres per year.
i wrote a 40 page paper on this very subject in college. i still have about 39.75 pages of information left on the subject.
we are poison. the fact is, earth can not sustain itself at the rate at which we are depleting its resources.
most of these findings say the damage, for the most part is reversable but we are making very slow strides toward that end.
99%. FACT!