DYK - Social Security

[tsubaki]

Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.[1] This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state, worker, or community ownership of the means of production, goals which have been attributed to, and claimed by, a number of political parties and governments throughout history.
The modern socialist movement largely originated in the late-19th century working class movement. In this period, the term 'socialism' was first used in connection with European social critics who criticized capitalism and private property. For Karl Marx, who 'helped establish and define the modern socialist movement, socialism would be the socioeconomic system that arises' after the proletarian revolution, in which the means of production are owned collectively. This society would then progress into communism.
Since the 19th century, socialists have not agreed on a common doctrine or program. Various adherents of socialist movements are split into differing and sometimes opposing branches, particularly between reformists and revolutionaries. Some socialists have championed the complete nationalization of the means of production, while social democrats have proposed selective nationalization of key industries within the framework of mixed economies. Some Marxists, including those inspired by the Soviet model of economic development, have advocated the creation of centrally planned economies directed by a state that owns all the means of production. Others, including Communists in Yugoslavia and Hungary in the 1970s and 1980s, Chinese Communists since the reform era, and some Western economists, have proposed various forms of market socialism, attempting to reconcile the presumed advantages of cooperative or state ownership of the means of production with letting market forces, rather than central planners, guide production and exchange.[2] Anarcho-syndicalists, Luxemburgists (such as those in the Socialist Party USA) and some elements of the United States New Left favor decentralized collective ownership in the form of cooperatives or workers' councils.

[tsubaki]

And Why Does This Sound Like It Has Hillary Written All Over It?

[willy]

because it is Hillary, and a large number of people in her party.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by willy

because it is Hillary, and a large number of people in her party.

So McCain wants to grant amnesty to all the illigal immigrants and predicts we'll be in Iraq for another 100 years...tell me which is the worst choice??...ya know I'm not toutin' Big-Hips Hilary ... but it's just all the wasted time pittin' Dems against Reps that's drivin' me nutts!!...it's the politicians and their lobbyist pals against Americans and their freedom we ought to be worried about ...

[willy]

First I want to say that I respect him for what he did for our country and that puts him head and shoulders over the sh!t socialist party candidates but I am no fan of him and his record, I do not want him as president. See previous posts and picking the lesser of two piles of crap.
But it would be good to do an actual quote, that one about the 100 years in Iraq is not what the man said. That is the drive by medias version and spin by the socialist party candidates.
What he said was that he would do whatever it takes to win the war on terrorism and secure this country, and if it took 100 years he would do it, and that he would not leave Iraq until the job was done and the troops could leave with a victory and a free Iraq.
Big difference, but it is the type of thing I expected in the press today.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by willy

First I want to say that I respect him for what he did for our country and that puts him head and shoulders over the sh!t socialist party candidates but I am no fan of him and his record, I do not want him as president. See previous posts and picking the lesser of two piles of crap.
But it would be good to do an actual quote, that one about the 100 years in Iraq is not what the man said. That is the drive by medias version and spin by the socialist party candidates.
What he said was that he would do whatever it takes to win the war on terrorism and secure this country, and if it took 100 years he would do it, and that he would not leave Iraq until the job was done and the troops could leave with a victory and a free Iraq.
Big difference, but it is the type of thing I expected in the press today.

I willconcede the media spin aspect on the 100 years thing...but will someone define victory, cause if the instigators of this war went over there w/ the true intent of a FREE Iraq, then I am a Nigerian Jet Pilot!!...

[LESTERUS]

Reel:

Based On My Own Experience, I Rather Have Those "not So Good" Politicians Than An "honest" Dictator.

We Cubans In The 50's Started Labeling The Politicians, Nobody Was Good Enough For Us, They Were All Corrupt, (according To The Media), The Rich Were All Thieves (then Agian According To The Media) And Look What We'd Had For The Last 50 Years, Everybody Wanted "change" But Nobody Bothered To Look What We Were Changing Into. Castro Promesed He Would Put Everybody At The Same Level And He Fullfilled His Promises, Now Everybody In Cuba Is Poor And Miserable.