Hard Decision help

deshet · #1 07-06-2008, 10:23 AM

Sorry It has been so long since I have posted.

I found this deal that I could not pass up. I got a 2001 22' Tropy walk around cuddy for around $3600. The the mercury 150 2 stroke carb model on the back needs a rebuild. Rich guy was told that the motor needed a new head and was qoute $10,000 for repair. One cylinder is gone. Motor still runs but #5 cylinder is rattling. I found a guy that can rebuild it and warrenty it for 6 years for $3300. ( Does anyone want to do it for cheaper?)

I know that a bayliner is not the same quality boat as my wellcraft. But My wellcraft is a 1988 Dually. It runs and looks good. But it is a 1988. I have been wanting to put a 4 stroke on the V20 for some time but I don't know what to do.

Neither the wellcraft V20 or the Trophy would be by primary fishing boat but which one would you keep. The trophy does not have much fishing space but it is setup a little nicer for the family. The wellcraft has a lot of fishing room but the wife and kids can't get out of the elements. The trophy looks better and my wife wants me to keep that one.

I think I could sell the trophy for at least $10,000 with around $7000 invested
I think I could get about break even selling the V20. Maybe make a $500

My primary fishing boat is a 25' Topaz diesel and that is not going anywhere.

Let me know what you would do?

Does anyone know of a good deal of a used 4 stroke 115hp and up?

Thanks

willy · #2 07-06-2008, 10:40 AM

Hey Deshet how ya been doing?
You seem to have rough times my friend. Gee, what should I keep? LOL
Just kidding, I am assuming the Topaz is not family friendly either so if that is the case and your family enjoys being out on the water you can either invest in a bimini or hard top and enclosure for the V or stick with the Trophy.
Now I will tell you they are not contenders, but the Trophy boats are very good boats, guys that I have met that own them love em. They are built with good fishing features and the construction is not like any of the Bayliners. MY best friend and fishing buddy here fished for years on his brothers Trophy and loved it, said it rode great and was layed out perfect for three or four guys to fish and be comfortable.
Figure out which works best for you, you have got to stop worrying so much about payoff when you sell and more about what works for you and your family.

deshet · #3 07-06-2008, 11:07 AM

The Topaz is a great boat. It has a decent cuddy cabin. But I don't do much inshore fishing with it. My wife just does not have the patience for it. Plus I like to have a bay boat and a true offshore boat. I will probably settle on the Topaz one day but it is nice having an to easy to manage boat that can get into tight places. My wife wants to look good while out on the boat the Topaz is nice but it is a fishing boat. .

The not losing money thing is just who I am. That is the only reason why I have not just purchased a 4 stroke yet.

macojoe · #4 07-06-2008, 11:14 AM

I hate Trophy!! I think they make them look good so they sell!! You can sell a dead dog if you package it right!!
I have two buddy's with them and they are ok, but have there issues (20' Cuddys) But as a family boat in flat water just curzing I say you be all right.
Wellcraft much stronger boat, rides about the same and can be family with the right mod's. And still have a nice boat or the smaller area that you don't need the big boat.

My Vote is the wellcraft, take some of the cash from the sale and make it family friendly.

That said you will be fine with either one.

deshet · #5 07-06-2008, 03:11 PM

thanks Maco
It is a good looking but but it is very light for a 22' boat. Once I get the motor redone I will probably sell the trophy. On my local craiglist a guy is asking 14K for a boat that is a year older.

I once saw a V20 with a 70 horse motor on the back. I found a decent deal on a 05 Suzuki 90 4 stroke still under warrenty will that motor get the Wellcraft up on plane. Would I be able to get up to 30MPH.

Any of your guys know where I can find a good running 4 stroke for decent money? 20" shaft

Thanks

reelapeelin · #6 07-06-2008, 03:14 PM

Deshet...Mama ain't happy...ain't NOBODY happy...divorce her immediately and all are happy!!...

Naaa... just kiddin'...sounds like time to tell the V-20 so long...maybe you return someday, just check in here from time to time...

Now...who wants a good deal on a 88 Dually?...

THEFERMANATOR · #7 07-06-2008, 03:54 PM

Trying to sell a boat right now for a profit is almost impossible. Asking price is one thing, but what you don't see is the actual selling prices. Many people right now are listing there boats with as high of an asking price as they think they can without scaring off all of the buyers. Then the buyer feels better when they buy the boat for 60% of the asking price, when that is what the seller wanted in the first place. As for a TROPHY boat, go out and see which boats are rocking and rolling the worst on the bays. My bet will be that the lightweight TROPHY's will be rockin and rollin when the WELLCRAFTS are just wobblin a little. As for the rebuild on the 150, $3300 sounds about right for the job if he does a complete rebuild with new pistons and bearings and seals.

Many shops out there right now are just doing repairs and calling them a rebuild and then charging ungodly prices for said repairs. On the other hand, $3300 would buy you a nice used EFI engine right now. Or for a little more money you could buy a used 150 OPTIMAX, and then part out the current 150 on EBAY or CRAIGSLIST and recover some of the upgrade costs. I can tell you that I just rebuilt my 89 200HP EVINRUDE and it set me back close to $1500 in parts and boring and I did the work myself. I did use some upgraded non OEM parts(grahite coated pistons and BOYESEN reeds), but a basic rebuild will normally run close to $1500-$1800 in parts alone by the time you buy the parts, machine work, and incidentals. For $3300 I'm sure BS could get you a nice used engine, I believe he just got a late model 150 EFI he said in another post.

deshet · #8 07-06-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

Trying to sell a boat right now for a profit is almost impossible. Asking price is one thing, but what you don't see is the actual selling prices. Many people right now are listing there boats with as high of an asking price as they think they can without scaring off all of the buyers. Then the buyer feels better when they buy the boat for 60% of the asking price, when that is what the seller wanted in the first place. As for a TROPHY boat, go out and see which boats are rocking and rolling the worst on the bays. My bet will be that the lightweight TROPHY's will be rockin and rollin when the WELLCRAFTS are just wobblin a little. As for the rebuild on the 150, $3300 sounds about right for the job if he does a complete rebuild with new pistons and bearings and seals.

Many shops out there right now are just doing repairs and calling them a rebuild and then charging ungodly prices for said repairs. On the other hand, $3300 would buy you a nice used EFI engine right now. Or for a little more money you could buy a used 150 OPTIMAX, and then part out the current 150 on EBAY or CRAIGSLIST and recover some of the upgrade costs. I can tell you that I just rebuilt my 89 200HP EVINRUDE and it set me back close to $1500 in parts and boring and I did the work myself. I did use some upgraded non OEM parts(grahite coated pistons and BOYESEN reeds), but a basic rebuild will normally run close to $1500-$1800 in parts alone by the time you buy the parts, machine work, and incidentals. For $3300 I'm sure BS could get you a nice used engine, I believe he just got a late model 150 EFI he said in another post.

I have heard good and bad things about the otimax motors. There are more mecurys around then any other motor I believe put I hear all the bad strories about Mecury. If I had my choice I would go with a yamaha and call it a day.

I think by BS you are referring to BigShrimpin if he has something for sale let me know. This guy is suppose to start my rebuild tommorow but I would like to call him before it gets to late.

I honestly don't think it will be hard to get $10,000 for that boat running with a warrenty on the motor. I am in a different area it is almost recession proof. When the Navy ships pull
in the guys come of the boat with money burning holes in there pockets. If I can present a good running newer boat at $4000 under retail it will sell in a couple of weeks.

Worst come to worst I can always break even on it at 7K.

THEFERMANATOR · #9 07-06-2008, 05:28 PM

The OPTI's did have some problems early on. Primarily the 2000-2001 200/225's earned the OPTIPOP reputation from what I have read. The smaller OPTI's are supposed to be much better, and many of them have been updated to the later standards. I've seen a few 04-06 OPTI's for sale in the $5K-$6K price range. 03+ is supposed to be the good ones for the OPTI's and said to be pretty reliable.

randlemanboater · #10 07-07-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by deshet

. The wellcraft has a lot of fishing room but the wife and kids can't get out of the elements. The trophy looks better and my wife wants me to keep that one.

I think you answered your own question.