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Well CB showed up today at 8:30 am!!

I got the new fittings it needed and we installed all. There were lots of missing little things??

We worked on all the problem spots, and got it so that we could take it to the water.

Well after the first trip to the water is was still in need of adjustments. Still Idled low and not getting full throttle? After a few minutes of running at 4000 RPM it would slow down and not go over 2500 rpms??

We brought it home change the plugs for the right plugs and gaped to right spec.
The plugs that were in it were the wrong ones and gaped at .025, when they call for .040!

Then it ran much better and we headed to the water, ran real well at first then the same thing happened, would lose rpm's and then it would race up all by it self??

Then the alarm went off and it was heating up and started shaking??

we shut it down let it cool and came back at 700 RPM's all the way.

Took to a Mechanic I know, and he told us he can't be sure but that he thought the motor has real issues internally!! And that in his opion its not worth fixing, cause it is going to need a total rebuild!!

I am all done.

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Dang MJ, I don't think any of us know what to say. You got saltwater in your viens, you may be down, but your not out. If it don't kill ya it'll make ya stronger...

Airslot

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There is nothing to say, I can't afford to get it rebuilt and won't throw more money into a useless venture!

Between motor, shipping, Starter,the connetors, plugs, ect ect ... I have spent the $1700 from the sale of the old motor and the donations.

Not to mention all the agravation with the shipping, and the man hours that I and CB put in!!

I will have to see what I can get for the sale of the motor now?? I don't want to stiff anyone so I have to tell them whats up with it .

O well maybe next year :'(

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Have you done a compression test? From what I can remember about your trials it may be a sensor acting up and kicking you into s.l.o.w. mode? How about running it with the cowl off so you can better see the throtle linkage and whats happenening with the buterflies. Just blowing out some ideas.

Airslot

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MJ, you sound as broke as I am. Keep the faith and hopefully its something minor and stupid. Let your buddy tinker with it and see what he finds out. You'll be splashing in again soon. Were all behind you ! ;) ;)

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MJ hope it works out brother, maybe a little luck will blow your way on this.

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MJ, that sucks man...I really hate it for you. I have too been upside down in a still "broken" outboard before so I know exactly how you feel man. :P

The way its sporadic and all i cant help but think its something simple like a sensor as well.

Maybe it will be a little comfort to you to know that as I type this I am naked. :D

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We already looked at all the "minor and stupid" things. Trust me. There is definately something wrong internally on that motor and at this stage of the game, we really hate to start tearing it down. MJ really cannot afford to start throwing money at hunches of what may be wrong. He cannot even have the mechanic start "tinkering" as the mechanic is too busy with other customers right now, plus his time will be worth money as well.
I felt really bad when I left MJ's house today because I fully expected to have everything pretty much ironed out. We fixed the oil injection linkage, choke, throttle linkage, put the StingRay fin on the broken cavitation plate (that helped a great deal). Tach was working, correct spark plugs, fixed the high idle issue within the control box.
Seems to run good for a very short time, then starts overheating. Plenty of water flow out the tell-tale, but the alarm will start sounding, the motor shakes violently and shuts down. The heads were extremely hot at that point. Let it cool and it will eventually start again, so we just idled back to port. BTW; this happened several times. Not just the one time.
I don't know. ???
On MJ's behalf, I would like to thank everyone for their efforts, but I fear he's all done for a while. He's pretty disillusioned right now.

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get a compression test and let us know what you find

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take the t-stats out and try it with out them if the compression is good. I had a 140 did that and ran fine with no t-stats but wouldn't with them.

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Good Call Skools, *I had an Evinrude 120 Looper that did the same thing also. *After replacing the T-Stats all was well. *Apparently the motor would heat up and launch itself into S.A.F.E mode. *I understand there are a number of problems which can display the same symptoms. *Just hoping its something simple for MJ's sake he deserves it.

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hate to say it but Dirt dobbers are to blame for this issue usually. They get into the motor and fill them up with dirt and it just stays in bad locations till the motor burns up.

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what is a dirt dobber?....never heard of it [or one]

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Its like a wasp, but they dont sting and they are usually solid colored. They build the little dirt "bungalow" looking things hanging in sheds and pump houses and such.

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MJ

I'm very sorry to hear about your motor. Try to keep your chin up man. It doesn't cost anything to try what skools is talking about.

Good luck.

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DAMN MAN, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP SOMETHING GOOD HAS TO COME YOUR WAY SOON. ;)

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Stink I guess us Southern Folks need to post a pic of one of their dirt homes and a pic of then filling up your air tools and motor passages.

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Nah. We get them up here too.
Unfortunately this motor may go up for sale locally and probably at a net loss. :'( A sad day here in New England.

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Man, I feel terrible for you, and wish I could offer some magic solution. If there IS anything we can do, let us know.

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Thanks all!! *It was a great try, but it has failed!

As CB said we have tryed all, and after the news from the marina I feel if I keep trying, I will be throwing away more money?
I might do more harm then good and have nothing to sell?

I will do a compression test and let you guys know, But what ever it is the motor is going to be sold for what ever I can get for it.

The motor has been mickey moused so much its hard to tell what is good and what is bad? I have no idea why so many things were missing from this motor?

This is like a old car you have and you no its junk but want it to go, but you know its always going to be junk and anything you do will just be a waste of time and money.


So Thanks all for the Donations and the encouragement!! I appreciate all the help and will never forget what you have all done!!

We will see Spring Brings??

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Yea I understand the frustration, MJ do the compression, because if it is good all around it can be fixed for little exspense and I'm holding out hope that it checks out good for you. I've had those junk cars your talking about, they can nickle and dime you but if the motor is tight and the lower unit is good then the rest your capable of doing better than a lot of guys here. Give it a shot at this point you got no other alternative so make lemonade ;)

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Don't throw in the towel just yet. Find out what is wrong. I have a feeling it's not as bad as you think.

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Well that may very well be true. But, the situation at hand is MJ used all of the fund raiser monies as well as some of his own up to this point and cannot afford to drop any more into it at this time. Granted it doesn't cost anything to tear things apart to investigate. He just cannot afford to fix whatever the problem may be. And the season is rushing by very quickly. At this point, if he decides to keep at it, he'll probably end up covering everything up until next year.
Trust me, when that motor started shutting down and overheating, it sounded really wrong.

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MJ, that BLOWS A BIG ONE :'( :'( :'( ...feelin' bad for ya, Big Guy ...I know Blue Runner's gonna be bummed to see this :-/ :-/ ...

Try the stuff Skools is talkin' about...just MAYBE ::) ...

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I just emailed the whole saler that bought the 175.

I just don't have it in me to screw some one with not telling them the truth of all the issues.

They will give me crap if I tell them and if I don't some poor guy will think he is set and have to go into hock trying to fix it.

Waiting for the whole saler to email me if he wants it??

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MJ - that sux . . . before you sell the motor test the compression. It might be as simple as a fuel restriction (carbs) or a corroded t-stat. Hopefully the motor didn't have a piston melt party!!

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I don't believe it's fuel Tim. The heads were red hot. I was sitting out on the bracket making adjustments while we were running with the cover off. I touched the heads and burnt my hand. There was a good stream from the tell tale. I would think if there was a corroded t-stat, they wouldn't have opened to allow water through. We'll probably investigate a little further if MJ wants to. I think he's a bit reluctant right now.
The wholesaler will probably give him something in the neighborhood of $1000. Still a $200 loss from what he paid B_R, then some of his own out of pocket expenses. ???

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I know he's pretty deflated right now, but a grand will help some (he'd rather have the motor runnin')...at least he'll have that to start a new search for new power... ;) ...

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Got a hold of the Whole Saler today, he said he is very interested and to send pic's and a price.

I did both, let see were it goes from here??

Man if it wasn't for bad luck I would have none at all!! :'(

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Gonna be pretty dificult to find something for a replacement for that mcuh $$ :-/

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MJ - Can you forward me that guys information.

I have a spare Merc side mount control box and a tach . . . if you go that route.
if you search craigslist . . . try www.crazedlist.org . . . it's a better way to search.

MJ - You could always go back to the I/O . . . and get busted *** boat with a decent motor and outdrive for $1k. There are litterally hundreds of those deals out here. I can keep my eyes peeled for some bargains . . .

There was a sweet Left hand 2001 Yamaha 250 that sold for $2700 right near me. No one seems to want those big outboards anymore.

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http://providence.craigslist.org/boa/184968218.html

$1500

For sale 1989 225 Yamaha Excell outboard! Runs great, very well maintained. You won't be disappointed. I repowered my boat so she's got to go. Call Brian 781-340-0072

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Sounds like a good deal.

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In the process of picking MJ's mechanics brain a bit more based on his initial evaluation of the motor, He believes that the wrong plugs and gap were in that motor for a reason. He thinks that the motor had an overheating problem unrelated to the t-stats and somewhere along the line, that was someones simple fix. Run a cooler plug with less gap to keep the combustion point to a minimum.

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Heck guys...w/ the deals and financin' they're offerin' these days, MJ could find a ''hold-over'' from last year and hardly notice the payments, specially w/ what he'll get for the old motor as a down-payment...I'm not wild about payments either, but it sure put some relaibility into takin' the boat out...

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As CB said this motor has been joy riged for sometime, with wire inplace of C clips, oil injection linkage missing wrong plugs, gap on plugs not set right, over heating, ect ect ect...

Hoping to hear from the whole saler today??

But that may have to wait also as I had to take my wife to the Hosiptal yesterday afternoon and they had to do a Emergency Bi-Pass operation on her!

They say it went well she was on the table 6 hours, Doc called said all seemed well and she in ICU.

She will have to remain in the hos. 10 days or so? And then we start the process of trying to teach her to walk again :-/

It took a good 3 months the last time and 6 months for her to get ok at it, this time the leg was much much worse and may take longer??

Some were along the line I pissed some budy off?? Cause I have had ZERO luck and it gets nothing but worse every day!!

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MJ, sorry to hear that. We'll say prayers for a speedy recovery for her.

Maybe you should change your avitar . . . :-/

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Sorry to hear about your wife,
hope all turns out well.

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Thanks Guys!!

Pipe that advatar is how I feel everyday!!