I/Os VS OutBoards

[fishbonejr]

lets start with the good things about i/os


i/os get good gas milage, their easier to repair, they can be made very large, you can have more power in a v-20 if you have an i/o, easier to repair because you can use auto parts, dont need to flush them when your don runnin them, they dont stress your transom to hang them you dont need an expensive braket to hang them, and they draw less water than the outboards. But take up deck space and if you have a fire theres a fire on the boat you have to check and change oil. they are much heavier than an outboard.

now outboards

they have better tork than an i/o, if you have a fire they are not toatily on the boat, can be toatily raised out of the water, dont take up space on the boat, are lighter than an i/o, and they are eaiser to replace than an i/o. But they are horrable gas hogs even for strokes they are louder they pollute the earth more thatn i/os and there exposed to everything you can bang them on docks and hurt them.

[Kajun]

only thing that scares me about them is that seal that sometimes fails and lets water in lol...of course my overweight OB that sinks my scuppers aint no safer lol

[charlie_the_tuna]

o/b's are also more expensive to replace.

[turbinedoctor]

Auto parts are different from marine engine parts. Take for example the carb. Auto carbs when the float sticks and lets the fuel keep coming, dump the extra gas out side the carb while marine carbs dump it into the carb to flood out the engine and preventing a fire.

I was told this by a friend who paid TWICE as much to get the marine carb instead of an auto carb for his boat.

[fishbonejr]

i used to have an old 350 from a suburban in my v-20 an auto engine so i could use auto engine parts.

[turbinedoctor]

According to SEA WORTHY magizine, I/Os are more likely to sink than O/Bs due to the boots that leak.

[turbinedoctor]

Marine engines are built to run at higher RPMs since they don't have transmissions.

[charlie_the_tuna]

hey fishbone, if you use an auto cam in your marine engine, the exhaust will suck water back in to the motor.

[turbinedoctor]

There is another prime example of the many differences between marine and auto engines.

[fishbonejr]

she sure was fast though i could pass anything on the water. and my exaust was mouned on the transom above the water so she sounded like a muscle boat so i didnt need to worry about that.

[fishbonejr]

but i do admit it was a huge gas hog and i put the 470 in it and that through a rod and now i got this dinkey little 4 banger. :'( but next season when i buy a merc 350 with 280 hp WHOA look out fishbonejr on top agian with the fastest v20 on this site,

[turbinedoctor]

My 90 O/B will push mine at 23mph at 4800. Dont think I could handle WOT. ;D ;D

[fishbonejr]

when i drive a 06 corvette to work every day and have a twin 250 outobard boat that can go 60 mph on the water according to gps you think i cant handle a wussy little 23 mph ;D ;D ;D ::) :P :P

[turbinedoctor]

I dont drive a Vega like you so I will settle for a truck and 23.

Will get a larger motor when this one dies but hope not to soon.

[fishbonejr]

i would just have the vette but i need the truck for towin fishbonejr to and from the water.

[fishbonejr]

how long does it take you to get on plane with that little of outboard.

[turbinedoctor]

depends on how hard I push it. Normally I'm not in any hurry so I ease it up. But when needed I can plane in about 10 to 20 seconds. Never timed it. Maybe next time out.

[fishbonejr]

ok i always run hard because thats how i drive. that must be why i go through so many engines in three years. in boats and cars.

[turbinedoctor]

I cant afford engines nso I have to take care of what I got.

Just started eating a midnight snack. Please forgive the greasey fingers. ;D

[fishbonejr]

i cant eather but i do i just had to put a new engine in my mercedes benz that through a rod 3 days after the boat did so i am preety tight now becuase mb parts are like 4 time as expensive as american its an 1984 380sl so there ovesoly no warenty.

[turbinedoctor]

Bendz look nice but never wanted one. They are German Arent they.

[fishbonejr]

yeah they are german. it was my first car and im very sentimental about my firsts so i have never sold it and never will just like my v-20 my first boat and as long as i am healty wealthy and wise they will always have my name on my title and sit in my driveway.

only car i have that is not from america.

[turbinedoctor]

Germans make good cars.

I'm like you, This is my first boat and its a V20. Plan on keeping it for a while

[fishbonejr]

when they work but when they need repairs and this thing need repairs every time i make a left hand turn. it costs alot :o :o :o

[76GMC1500]

Turbinedoctor, except for the head gasket and freeze plugs, there are no differences between an automotive 350 Chevy and a marine 350. The newest of the new marine motors from GM have hardened exhaust valve seat inserts but are otherwise identical to their automotive crate motor equivalents. Most automotive motors come with brass freeze plugs, anyways.

The accessories are what make the difference. Marine carburetors have bent float bowl vents that dump the gas inside of the carb as stated earlier. All marine electronics are ignition protected. Marine distributors do not have vacuum advance. Marine ciruclating water pumps have stainless steel impellers and shafts. Marine fuel hose has a low permeability to fuel vapors.

Everything else is interchangeable between automotive and marine.

[turbinedoctor]

I stand corrected on all except the carbs which was my first reply. Guess I should have stopped there.

Thanks.

[fishbonejr]

Turbinedoctor, except for the head gasket and freeze plugs, there are no differences between an automotive 350 Chevy and a marine 350. *The newest of the new marine motors from GM have hardened exhaust valve seat inserts but are otherwise identical to their automotive crate motor equivalents. *Most automotive motors come with brass freeze plugs, anyways.

The accessories are what make the difference. *Marine carburetors have bent float bowl vents that dump the gas inside of the carb as stated earlier. *All marine electronics are ignition protected. *Marine distributors do not have vacuum advance. *Marine ciruclating water pumps have stainless steel impellers and shafts. *Marine fuel hose has a low permeability to fuel vapors.

Everything else is interchangeable between automotive and marine.


HA!!!

[turbinedoctor]

Do you disagree with that??

[fishbonejr]

no i agree with that

[turbinedoctor]

You cant hold it against me for repeating hear say can ya.

[fishbonejr]

beat me at my own game :-/

[fishbonejr]

you watch to much law and order.

[turbinedoctor]

you really a lawyer

[fishbonejr]

just for tonite and part of tommarrow

but both my parents were lawyers and my grandpa was then he became a judge and my dad opend a business called TTC and sold it and has now been retired since he was 50 and my mom is still a lawyer to keep her self busy. so i get enough of it to know what the lingo is i will probable go to law school to

[fishbonejr]

just saw pictures of your boat and have one opinion and one question

my opinion is your throttle is backwards and my question is how hard was it to put that step ladder on the bow i need that for when i beach my boat.

[turbinedoctor]

I wont hold that againist you.

[turbinedoctor]

Throttle Backwards???? tell me more. It was like that when I got it.


The Bow ladder was easy. A couple of pieces of marine grade oak, recess the back so the plate will fit and the bolt through the deck with plates under neithe.

The ladder is bolted through the oak into a plate to spread the load. The plates under the deck spread the load down there.

[fishbonejr]

your binacle it is suposed to have the long part facinv ethe starboard side not the port side. did you buy the boat new?? or used.

thanks for theinfo on the ladder i am in the process of a semi over hall on the deck and dash so what 200 dollars more.

[turbinedoctor]

Bought it used. Does it matter which way it faces since it works fine like it is.

[turbinedoctor]

Could draw up a sketch of the mounting bracket for the ladder if you like.

[fishbonejr]

ok im just raggin ya.

[turbinedoctor]

This is my first boat. You could have strung me along for a good while on that on. ;D

[fishbonejr]

my well craft was my first boat but that was in 1990 and i have a 2004 aquasport explorer now two.

[turbinedoctor]

did you by yours new?

[fishbonejr]

i dont normally but the aquasort was a really good deal so i jumped at it fast boat will do 55 knots WOT.

[turbinedoctor]

What year is the wellcraft. Got pictures of the Aqua.

[fishbonejr]

wellcraft v20 is a 1989 and i have pictures of both here are some

this is the only one i have on photobucket

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/fishbonejr/100_0742-1.jpg


heres the name

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/fishbonejr/100_0738.jpg

SEAJay is my granfather he was a cournal judge. so sea jay

[turbinedoctor]

That the Aqua you talked about.



Wellcraft will have to loose the bow rail for the ladder to work.

Got to go and check the Nitrogen bottle. Be back in 10 to 15 mins.

[fishbonejr]

yeah on the left is the aqua Fishbonesr and my v-20 fishbonejr on the right.

[fishbonejr]

my power went out for 2 seconds and shut down my computer darn wind

what nitrogen bottle are you a scientist i want a nitrus oxiede bottle on the v to see if i could turbo boost the power.

[turbinedoctor]

We put nitrogen into our chilled water loop when we drain it to keep the moisture out.

Can't help with the oxide.

[turbinedoctor]

From you talking I was expecting to see a smaller boat than that.

[fishbonejr]

which one the aqua sport is about 29 feet and has a 9'8" beam the v-20 is 20'6" and an 8' beam do their both sea worhty.

[turbinedoctor]

The v looks small when put beside something like that.

Which do you like better.

[fishbonejr]

yea its a fast boat for its size. i have to run it at full throttle for 10 minuets every time i take it out fishing becasue the carbon builds up on the cylinders and that is the only way to get it off or else i will be buyin two new out boards and right now if i had to do that i would sell the boat un powwerd. but when at full throttle everybodys eyes just pop out on other boats when i pass them its kinda funny.

[fishbonejr]

the v because it is actuly a smother ride than the aqua and its a cruser not a fisher so its relaxin to take it out.

[turbinedoctor]

That big boat at 50mph, no wander there eyes pop out.

Have you tried that carbon remover that you add to the gas.

[fishbonejr]

yea but i stopped after it made them run at a lower rpm than reccommended and even though their under warrenty if they blow for carbon build up yamaha will not pay for it so i need to do everything by the book.

[turbinedoctor]

The book says to run WOT once every trip?

[fishbonejr]

yup so thats what i do. and i burn 55 gallons an hour while doin it to.

[turbinedoctor]

55 GPH :o


I would keep it to a bare minimum per the book at that rate.

[fishbonejr]

yea but with 300 gallon tanks for only 10 minuets every time i take it out its not that bad thats why i have the little one. i filled the v-20 last month with forty gallons and have only butned 15 since and have taken it out 5 times for 3 hours since.

[turbinedoctor]

Big boats are nice but they come with big price tags and fuel bills.

[fishbonejr]

yea but i got a grat deal becuase it was a demo so it was a lot cheaper that new. but still new. had 6 hours on it.

[turbinedoctor]

how many hours you got on it now

[fishbonejr]

240

[turbinedoctor]

how long have you had it

[fishbonejr]

3 years

[turbinedoctor]

thats 73.3333333 hours per year. Do you fish for a living

[fishbonejr]

no but do alot of boating.

did you do yor math wrong seems a little high.

[fishbonejr]

i just noticed i put six i ment to put 60 so yea its still alot but we do alot on the water i travel to i have taken it to duck and them up the chesapeak to the little places close to maryland so thats why.

[turbinedoctor]

I stand corrected. Its 78.3333 hours per year. ;D

[fishbonejr]

ok but it went the wrong way still think your mathis wron i will try it now

what ever i got 13900 to late to do math right now.

[fishbonejr]

i hate when you have had the tv on for so long that the same shows that were on at 9 are on agian.

[turbinedoctor]

dont have the luxury of TV at work. :(

[fishbonejr]

im home right now were do you work that you are up for all night im just bored and cant sleep so thts why im up but having to work right now i would hate that.

[turbinedoctor]

I work at a power plant. We are manned 24/7. I just happen to be on nights right now.

[fishbonejr]

o ok so thats why you had to check nitroen stuff.

[turbinedoctor]

YEP. Drained the chiller loops to keep from freezing. Now put in nitrogen to keep moisture out.

We use turbines to power the generators hence the name turbinedoctor.

[fishbonejr]

yea its cold now :o :o

walked outside this mornin to a huge suprise. and now its rainy and windy and 57 with all kinds of warnings coastal flood statement wind advisory and specal weather staitment.

[turbinedoctor]

kinda make you want to take the old V for a ride dont it ;D

[fishbonejr]

yea just to show how much of a tuff old girl she is.

[fishbonejr]

i was out in a preety bad storm in the aqua the other day last sunday 7 to 8 foot seas and wind blowee 35 to 40 was out off shore fishin and cam e back to that the only thing in the water at pirouds of time were the props ans some times i was air born at 23 knots it was 5 a.m. and was terrable at full throttle i would have beeten the boat to death

[fishbonejr]

if i become a seoiner member do i get discounts at stores. ;D ;D ???

[turbinedoctor]

i was out in a preety bad storm in the aqua the other day last sunday 7 to 8 foot seas and wind blowee 35 to 40 was out off shore fishin and cam e back to that the only thing in the water at pirouds of time were the props ans some times i was air born at 23 knots it was 5 a.m. and was terrable at full throttle i would have beeten the boat to death

Thats a little rougher that I like.

[turbinedoctor]

if i become a seoiner member do i get discounts at stores. *;D ;D ???

No but you can save a lot on your car insurance by switching to Gieco

[fishbonejr]

i am happy with usaa great rates for me and anybody drivin one of my cars is car insured so i am never liable.

[turbinedoctor]

havent heard of usaa

[turbinedoctor]

anything like AAA

[fishbonejr]

its for military families my grandfathers were in the marine corps so it is still pased down to me and i will be able to pass it to my kids when (if) i get them.

[fishbonejr]

i judt go the guy in line rider to do a loop.

[turbinedoctor]

cant draw smooth enough to keep him on the sled.

[fishbonejr]

its hard at first but after a wile it get easier.

[turbinedoctor]

have you made him do a loop yet

[fishbonejr]

yea while i was supposed to be workin i saved it on my computer at work.

[turbinedoctor]

hate it when that happens. Where do you work.

[fishbonejr]

i work at alot of places i worked at my fathers office i worked at my mothers office and now i am back at school to get my masters degree.

[fishbonejr]

9 to go ;D

[turbinedoctor]

my wife got her masters in media specialist

[turbinedoctor]

which college

[fishbonejr]

harvards online corces.

[turbinedoctor]

great.

5 more

[fishbonejr]

yea now after this one i should be a senior

[fishbonejr]

well i think i am goin to go to red because i am purty tiarf i did it but now i am fallin asldep and can tinkg clearly

good kknight.

[fishbonejr]

what i am siupposet to be a sienor

[turbinedoctor]

you made 200 but still a full member. Maybe its 250

[fishbonejr]

ithink yur rigt :'( :'( :'( but i am still ginna sign h offds bcause i can even speel lright

Fishbonejr

Signin off

[macojoe]

Hey fish you need to ise spell ck man!! some times I just don't kniow whatthe heck you are trying to say??

Wow I know I suck at spelling , and made some people go ??? But man I think you are going to be the new Windtalker!

[fishbonejr]

i dont need spell check most of my posts were late at night.

[charlie_the_tuna]

and you know how the increased magnetic field of the moon decreases the ability to spell correctly.

[turbinedoctor]

I see you are awake and refreshed. Go get em.

[fishbonejr]

yup just got back from gettin my truck serviced heat dont work but now it does.

[turbinedoctor]

You should consider a ford, there heat always works. It's the A/c we have trouble with.

[frayed_knot]

You should consider a ford, there heat always works. It's the A/c we have trouble with.

LOL, that's the truth. 04 F-150, and the air is cool, not nipple hardening cold like in my 03 Mustang. What up wit dat?

[fishbonejr]

yea but htey never fix it a ford the only reason my heet didnt work is because i had the ac button pushed not because there was any thing wrong

at ford they would say its the entire heating system and i need a new one and becase its my falt they will not pay for it. so i stick to chevy/gmc.

[frayed_knot]

the only reason my heet didnt work is because i had the ac button pushed not because there was any thing wrong

LOL!!!!

I just use the Carolina 2-60 air conditioner anyway. 2 winders down- 60 miles an hour. ;)

[fishbonejr]

thats what i use in the mercedes benz which has never had a workin ac or heater. and in the winter i boil water and put it in the front seat before i get in.