1973 CC V20 vs 1995 V20 steplift

[onthefly]

Hey guys!

I am about to repower my 1973 cc V20. I have a sweat deal going for a leftover 2005 Johnson 140 4 stroke--Fully installed for 9000.00 includes prop, wiring harness, tach, controls, will utilize my steering and hook up to my gas tank. but first I have to close my transom and install a bracket, and I have other minor crap to do.

Then I saw a 1995 step V20 with a Yamaha 200TXRT - real clean-canvas cover canvas bimini top double axel trailer (ok condition) GARMIN120 GPS,ScITEX CVS106 FISH FINDER,VHF RADIO,RITCHIE COMPASS,SS PROP. It,s already got a closed stern from the factory...
Around 10,500.00

What to do? I do love my center console but there is always work to do....

[labii]

I have a 1994 CC and love it . But if I were I could find a pre-1977 CC in exelent shape I would trade in a second. I like tha classic lines and the layout of the older models . I know M.J. will scream , but I like the old Center consoles with the stern drive .

[onthefly]

This is my dilema.
to cuddy or not to cuddy- she would be sweet with a 05 johnny *140 *4 stroker and a closed transom and bracket, shoot she tore up a head sea with that 20" Merc.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f279/designhow/DSCN3076.jpg

side note: that is her being towed away after a slip misshap

[labii]

To me that is a classic . I have owned a step & a fish , in the summer I'm glad I own the CC . In the winter I find myself wishing that I had a steplift . You don't see many of the pre-77 fishermen . If it were me I would hold on to what I had and hang that new jonnyrude on her.

[TheTinMan]

I say get the Cuddy and sell me your boat cheap!

No, really. You're a fly fisherman, don't you NEED the center console?

Is that deal on the motor at Ed's? They had that motor in 25" for $5,999! I'm sure no controls, prop or rigging for that price, looks like they are gone now, they show a 20" for a grand more???

[onthefly]

I here ya Tin- I get confused when I have to many options.
I do have a bit of work to do on her...but the Marina in Delaware (tax free) is letting me pay half now- half when I'M ready to install the Jonhson on the back.

I missed that motor on e-bay by a week, they have one 20" left..and it's not tax free! and no controls and install. I figure I got the motor for 7300.00 and the rest of the stuff for $1700.00 shoot i needed a rewire after the slip misshap anyway- theres a grand right there. and controls and gauges, and a prop.......

[TheTinMan]

Who would be doing the transom enclosure and how much? That's got to be a pretty penny.

[onthefly]

I am...we'll see if the boat building couse i'm taking helps.
It's the f'n bracket that costs a grand!! I missed a nice one on e-bay in January -Stainless Marine or a b-bracket platform for a single outboard- $950 took it!

I have a boat builder friend in NC who's gonna walk me through it

http://www.carolinayachtenterprises.com

[TheTinMan]

Great deal. If you decide to do it (you should IMO) please take pictures of the whole process and post them here. Myself and I'm sure everyone else would love to see it!

[kamikaze]

OntheFly:

If your still shopping for a bracket check out

http://dadmarine.com/index00.htm

I purchased the one I have hanging from my 74 CC from him and have been very happy with it. Also saved quite a few bucks over what I could find on Ebay at the time, which makes it all the sweeter!

Kamikaze

[willy]

OTF tough call. Your going to have a lot of money in a 1973 boat. Not nessassarily a bad thing. But you do need to weigh that. And I think you are talking about a V21 aren't you for that year? And what condition is the Yamaha and hours?
Classic and pretty with new power (always great) but old and going to need more and more work as time goes on and you will never recoup your money. VS Much newer (21 years) hull and if it is the V21 a improved hull and transom arrangement with what is a very good engine with a cuddy and a lot of upgrades and electronics.
You could go either way and there would be merit in your decision, what it comes down to is which boat meets the majority of your needs, has expense to personal value edge and which makes you smile ;D

[onthefly]

Nice! thanks! I have searched high and low for a realistically
priced bracket. I like the R4!

Willy I am loosing sleep.... I could keep both but the 73 cc will be motorless and frankly my fiancee will kill me. Easy boys!!!

[macojoe]

well I may have missed it but were are you boating??

Do you stay inshore or do you go offshore??

do you have alot of ruff water??

do you fish cold months??

IMO if you are inshore and warm area CC is good for you.
If you fish offshore and cold months with ruffer water then there nothing like a cuddy.

[shicks007]

It sounds to me like you 5really like your boat. It would be sweet with that 140 Johnny. I say go for it, make it like you want it.

[phester]

OTF, go w/ the cuddy and the 200 Yamaha, that IS the "set-up" and sell the TinMan your 73 CC,......please, the guy really needs a boat.

[Mac_Attack]

ditto to phester's reply! Of course I would say that because I have a cuddy. Bill Mc ;D

[Franco]

IMHO - In for a penny, in for a pound! Your CC is the classic cc design! Filling the transom and adding a bracket is they way to go.
I had a cuddy with an I/O and it just didn't have the space. If it had a full transom and with a bracket I'd have kept it I think.
But MJ is right, keep the boat that best fits your use - here in Fla I would keep the CC, Back in Va I would have the cuddy/ Cleared things up like mud didn't I :o

[reelapeelin]

'73=no flotation :(...'95=full flotation ;D...

I LOVE the lines of the older hulls...hell I GOT one...but if I ever get an opportunity to move to a flotation hull...gone in a SKINNY MINUTE!!... ;)...

[Airslot]

The newer boat doesn't have new enough power. If that yam was an HPDI or 4-stroke it would be a tougher choice. What if you buy the newer boat and motor goes boom in two months. With the Johnzuki you hang you don't have a worry in the world for six years. Thats my plan anyway. If I do the things I'm looking at I'll drop 15k on my boat (87) in the next two years. I've thought about it most of the time and figure that for 20K, I can't get anything better than the V-20.

Airslot

[willy]

Air that is a good point, but yours is an 87 with flotation, I forgot all about that little matter. Good call Rap. ;)

[reelapeelin]

Tanks, Wilson! ;)...and yes, from one old phart to another, I am jealous you got to go visit the Grand Poobah and I didn't... ;)...but I got HIGH HOPES ;D ;D ;D ;D...

[willy]

We go together next time, now that he's got a trolling motor I won't have to swim so much ;D

[macojoe]

Who needs foliation?? the boats are newer, less free board and no class!!

Foliation or not, if you go down you are going down!! Your in the water no matter how you look at it.
So you Hit a huge rock, get big hole, mine goes to bottom, yours stay floating just under the water.

The boat is junk no matter what! Be a man live little Dangerous

[reelapeelin]

Love ya, MJ, but ''yours stays afloat'' and ''be a man, LIVE'' tells the tale for me!! You're right, it's gonna be junk, but it's FLOATING junk...might need it to keep my punkin' head above H2o for a little while... ;)...

But Willy...think of all the exercise you'll miss out on... ;D...did the Poobah really make you swim his new McKee around?...the dasterly dickens!!!...now I know why you only stayed one day!! ;) ;D...

[macojoe]

I am a fat man!! I am going to float no matter what!!

And we know that CB will be floating next to me cause we all no $hit Floats!! :o ;D :-*

[reelapeelin]

Poor CB...sittin' there mindin' his own business...and all of a sudden he's floating fecal matter!!! :o... ;D ;D ;D

[macojoe]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[willy]

Nah Rap I'm just kidding, I had to use swim fins so it wasn't to bad ;D
I only stayed one day cause I had the CEO and the yougins back at the condo in Orlando so I escaped for a day. Next time I go down there I'm going to be a feeshin fool for a few days.

[reelapeelin]

Gee...whadda guy...let you use his fins...no wonder he's ascended society to the great heights he's achieved...now I'm beginnin' to wonder what tasks lie B4 me when I do get to visit the exaulted one...Oh, Grand Poobah, I am not worthy...I am not worthy... ;D ;D ;D ;D

[TheTinMan]

Here's a good deal on a D&D bracket, too bad it's for twins.....hey, you could always throw on a pair of 90 E-Tecs!!!

http://classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6892

edit: it's for an 11 degree transom, don't think that'll work.

[Blue_Runner]

OTF - all great points so far but I think I can solve your delimna with one simple question.

You mentioned your "fiance". Here is the question:

Will your fiance be fishing/cruising with you any? If so:
1995 V21 steplift

If not:
1973 CC V20

Plus OTF, if it helps you to know, I was in a very similar situation. Not a cc, but I originally bought a 1973 V20 steplift which I was going to repower. Has the 20" transom. Well, I've got around $2200 in it without a motor and had I repowered it would have had $10,000 but still needed a washdown, kicker bracket, controls, oil tank - bunch of stuff that would have added up to $12,000. While looking at boats and motors I ran across a nice 1994 V-21 on this site. It basically had all of this stuff that I mentioned above (new) including new rub-rail, 9.9 Johnson kicker, brand new trailer w/ brakes.

I bought a brand new Yamaha 150hp and repowered it. I now have around $13,500 in it but after I sell the other motor I took off I should have around $11,000. So for $1000 more I've got a 21 year newer, foam flotation, cuddy door, nice welded stainless bow rail, new rub rail, hull painted below rubrail with awlgrip for a great no-wax shine, built-in fish box under passenger side seat, recirculating livewell and baitwell, self-bailing, cuddy cushions in great shape, new gauages, geez I could go on...

I love the looks of the "73 cc BUT, I think you should go with a newer V-21.

Check out my gallery for pics of my '73 and pics of my '94 V-21. BTW - I still have the '73 and waiting for a nice spring day to put it on the market ;D

[mirage2521]

I am a fat man!! I am going to float no matter what!!

:o ;D :-*

Long live the fat men ;D