1st Annual WellcraftV20.com Fall Fishing Tourney

[Blue_Runner]

Here's the deal. We don't even know if we can do this but I had an idea to start a fishing tournament on this site, with blessing from BigShrimpin.

This first year I would like to do a 50/50 with half the entry fee earnings going to MJ who is down on his luck big time, and the other half going to the winner of the tourney. BS and I won't make anything of course (unless we win, and he has already said he was - we will see ::)).

So my plan for this post is two fold: 1 - who would actually enter? We need 20 good men, minimum, anything else is icing. Entry fee as of right now would be 15 or 20 bucks. Up for debate. 2 - what species and how to judge the winner? Great ideas have been posted under the "The Final Chapter" post already.

I think we should make a list of 20 target species to include in the tournament and stick to only the 20. I can make a spreadsheet with formulas to calculate the % in length of where the fish falls in relation to min and max lengths per species, which is TBD. Racerx mentioned that length would be better than weight due to variation in scale calibration, and I tend to agree.

I could print out official entry fee paperwork and mail or email to participants upon payment. Pictures of fish caught would need to be displayed beside a tape measure and perhaps the entry form copy or maybe just the entry form number to make it official and prevent as much cheating as possible.

Up for debate, among other things - how long to run the tourney? One weekend? One week? One month? etc. I'm afraid if we make it for just one weekend, participation will be limited, whereas if we make it from Sept.1 through October 1st, we get much more participation. BUT, Racerx has vowed he will woup all ya'll if he's given a full month - sounds like the trash talkin has already started to me 8)

Entry fee? How much? Main thing is how many people can commit?

Also, you could even do a point system and also factor in amount of fish caught? But I'm afraid to make this too complicated.

Your suggestions are welcome now. Once we see that we can get 20 and the details hammered out I can start an Official Tournament Entry post on the Fishing section.

Are you in? You have a say in whether your favorite species will be included, so speak up!!

20 people X 20 bucks = 400 bones with the winner and MJ each getting 200 bones! Turn 20 into 200! This is a 20/200 tournament!! Here is your chance to #1 let us know if you will commit and also have a say in the rules and #2 the whole shootin match is up for debate, so share your thoughts now because I want to iron it out very soon! Time is of the essence!

Blue

[Blue_Runner]

Calling all Admins....can we get a sticky for like a week? Pretty Pleeeeeeeaaaaaase? Sugar on top? :-* :-* :-*

[chumbucket]

I'll let everyone else decide. Whatever you come up with, I'll be in. 8)

[racerx]

i say $50 buy in! so when i win i can afford to have my grass cut for the rest of the summer. (since none of u cheap bastards would send me money. i got a blister yesterday. what can brown do for you,HA)

[willy]

I'm in, but think you should up the amount and make it real interesting for when I make Racer cry 8) around 100 would give a better pot for Wind Talker and me ;D

[C YENSEN]

IM IN ;D BUT I THINK IF YOU UP THE ENTRY TO MORE THAN $50 IT WILL SLOW DOWN THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS.

HAS ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT WAITING TILL FALL AND MAKING IT A

STRIPED BASS TOURNEY ???

[chumbucket]

IM IN ;D BUT I THINK IF YOU UP THE ENTRY TO MORE THAN $50 IT WILL SLOW DOWN THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS.

HAS ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT WAITING TILL FALL AND MAKING IT A

STRIPED BASS TOURNEY ???

I agree on both points. ;)

[Mac_Attack]

I thought I was in, and I still will be if I can paint stripes on a Walleye. *So that no one is left out that wants to enter why not alllow all species and compare your catch to the state record for that type of fish. *The state would be the state or province in which you are fishing. *We would be comparing percentage weight, all species would be compared against each other.

http://www.statefishingrecords.com/

I would also think that as the entry fee goes up the number of entries will go down.

Example: *Mac Attack catches a 4.75lb walleye *His fish would be compared against the Ontario record walleye 22.25 lb * * *4.75/22.25=21.34%


Rap catches a 12.25lb striped bass *NC record striped bass *54.125lb * * * * * * *12.25/54.125=22.6%

Rap would win.

I suggest using state records because growth rates are different for all states

[whopper55]

I'm in . Think about the seasonality of the specis? Best fishing for stipers down here is late Oct to Jan 1. I'm in no matter what the out come of rules. Higher numbers of entries is for a better pot vs higher entry fee. Whet ever happened to the regional V-20 tournys?

[reelapeelin]

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I'm in...I like Mac's idea on % of State species weight...

wish I could enter for this week...stripers "killin' it" on lead-core line right now ::)...

[C YENSEN]

% of state record sounds like the best idea to me. ;)

[Pipe_Dream]

Excellent idea, Mac! ;)

[Blue_Runner]

Got to prove the weight. Will everybody be able to snap a pic on a scale? Probably not as easy on a released fish?

I think weight is the best way to go too though. Good call fellas. By gosh if I catch a 29" fluke that weighs 15 lbs and someone beats me with a 29.5" 12 lber I'll be ticked!

I'm with the % of state record thing. That makes it nice and clean and a pretty simple calculation. What about limiting the species? Should we limit to say around 20? Or leave this wide open?

I think I've seen around 10 commitments so far. Capt. Bent must be out fishing.
::)

[Airslot]

I'm in for whatever. I like an entry of $20 for several reasons. I think length would be better than weight. Everybody has an accurate ruler. Heck, it is for fun, right? I pledge that all my winnings are going to MJ anyways. :)

Airslot

[Mac_Attack]

I'd leave the species open. *Let's say in Sept the walleyes are on vacation but the jumbo perch show up I would switch over to perch. *Why couldn't you post for two or three species its the greatest % that's going to take the money. *Another idea is to allow mulligans like in golf. *On in entry form an angler would state his #1 species but he could buy a mulligan for 5 or 10 bucks. *This way say I was going after walleyes but I hook into a giant catfish I could enter the caught cat also. *This would raise more money but also increases the work involved. *Billy Mac *;D

I just read Airslot post. *Length would be a good measure and easy to spot in a photo.

[C YENSEN]

ANOTHER THING BR, IF WE CATCH ONE THE FIRST DAY OF A MONTH LONG TOURNEY, CAN WE UPDATE WITH A LARGER FISH CAUGHT 20 DAYS LATER ???

[Blue_Runner]

Well, Cy what about if we make the tourney run for x number of days but you only can sign up to tourney fish for 2 days? BEFORE you fish you would have to let me know your 2 dates, which I would record and email or fax or snail mail your proof of purchase with those dates printed on it. Just kinda spinnin off of one of RAP's ideas.

[C YENSEN]

SOUNDS GOOD, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IF I PICK TWO DAYS IN ADVANCE, AND WHEN THEY GET HERE THERE IS A HURRICANE ON ITS WAY THROUGH TOWN. ??? >:(

[reelapeelin]

Pre-pickin' DTF (Day To Fish) during the TP (Tournament Period) would be just like signin' up for a ''regular'' tournament that has a pre-determined date...plus you could pre-fish prior to even selecting your DTF...find that Honey-Hole, register your DTF w/ BR and go clean house!! ;)

Since the board is recorded, why not just have each entrant PM BR w/ his intended DTF and include all pertinant info at that time...save a tree...

Do we REALLY have to prove our catch (weight, length, quantity)?...it's gonna be hard to verify no matter how ya do it and if a LIAR enters he can always manipulate photos if he wants to...

If somebody CHEATS on this and he's dicovered, my vote would be to expose him and ban him from the board...and then lop off his Nortons :o ... ::)

[reelapeelin]

TOURNAMENT RULES...I've been readin' some great ideas bein' kicked around on this board as to how we do this...

BR, suggestion...why doncha take those ideas an "draught" a 1st copy of what the Rules and Proceedures are gonna be...post it on the board, then everybody can put in their ideas...but we gotta start w/ somethin'...if I can help, holler ;) ;D RAP

[Blue_Runner]

Matter of fact that's what I was planning on doing RAP. Just wanted to get some ideas FIRST so that first draft won't be too far off base.

But I'm with you, we gotta get something down on paper and tweak from there or it'll be a never ending circle of "what about this" and "I'd rather do it this way" with the end result of us gettin nowhere with this tourney.

Also, I sure would like to see a few more snaggers say they will commit.

[Mac_Attack]

He!! let's do it even if we only get 10 or 12 entries. *See how it runs tweak the next one, if it needs tweaking. *Could turn into something worth while. *Billy Mac *;D

WELLCRAFT V-20.com's GOODWILL FALL FISHING TOURNAMENT

[Blue_Runner]

After all of the typing I've invested already Mac, I think we're gonna do this thang - NO MATTER WHAT!

I'll have our first draft by tomorrow. Hopefully morning, maybe sooner.

[Franco]

THIS DAM THING SEEMS MORE COMPLICATED THAN GEORGE BUSHS' ELECTION SCAM!! SIGN ME UP!!

[racerx]

i think a draft is a great idea. you might wanna look at some other tourney rules first. i wanna reinirate, a month long tourney wont be fair to all, and wont draw as many entries, and subsequintly, less funds for MJ. i also think wieghing the fish wont be fair. if its a close finish on two different scales someones gonna feel cheated. some peeps dont have a scale, myself included. i think a good one goes for around 50 bucks. i can get one of those spring one cheap. but they not exactly tourney quality.
one more thing, this is to raise money for mj, we sure we wanna make him wait till fall?

[ebol5]

I am in no matter what the rules, This is more about overcoming MJ's run of bad luck. A touney is a great way to add some fun and (friendly) competition. There are a lot of ways to go, I sort of like the idea of maybe a given length of time (2 to 4 weeks) but limit the number of days catches you can use (maybe 2 days). This will allow folks to get around any weather problems. For the northern guys (certain species) there could be a total weight catagory and for us salty dogs a largest fish (%wise) catagory. This might help make up for local species availability.. just a thought. Photos should be included (measuring tape included ) if only for reference and because WE LIKE PICTURES! However, in the end it will be about the honor system and I think that will be sufficient for this bunch of whack jobs on this board. Of course I say that with the utmost affection. :-*


Ed B.

[Blue_Runner]

THIS DAM THING SEEMS MORE COMPLICATED THAN GEORGE BUSHS' ELECTION SCAM!! SIGN ME UP!!
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO AVOID! BUT, I VOW TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE, FUN, AND FAIR AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE!!

LMAO FRANCO! ;) Hopefully we won't delcare someone the winner, then do a re-count and declare someone else the winner....

P.S. I think we got at least 12 or 13 snaggers on board ;D

[Airslot]

Alright boys, lets make this simple as possible.

1. $20 entry fee.
2. The prize is a very nice wall plaque engraved adorned w/ V-20 artwork.
3. Tournament period will run for will run Sept 1-30, or Sept1 through Oct 30.
4. The winner is the most notable catch as judged by the board itself. You know, an 8lb walleye is a heck of a catch compared to a 3lb speck. We'll judge the most notable catch.
5. Tourney proceeds (minus expenses) go to help a board member down on his luck.
6. This is the first annual,,,,get it!


Airslot out

[racerx]

sounds great! just one question, do you have to be a member to join the tourney? me and my son,troutkiller, are members and definently want in. i would also like to sign up my wife, who is not allowed on the board,lol, my nephew, and my niece. if that is alright.

[racerx]

oh yeah, let me know where to send the money. is paypal ok?

[Airslot]

I'm just trying to help this along and keep the spirit of the board in mind. I would think that a board member could register any guest he wants. In my mind we all will have a say in who has caught the most notable fish. Whatchallthink....second place be a pink thong from the stinky collection..... ;D ;D

Airslot

[racerx]

the spirit of the board... see i told ya'll this was a cult!

[Airslot]

Well, if I'm gonna be in a cult, this is the one for me...

Airslot

[Franco]

Do I get tp grow a pony tail, chant and burn incense while wearing a sheet??

[Airslot]

Whatever floats yer errrr...V-20

Airslot

[rb437]

Someone please pass the Kool-aid

[ebol5]

I have a pony tail... and I'm easy..but I'm not cheap!
Ok, the entry fee is $20 dollars minimum, any (best) two days of fishing during the month can count?? (every body is in suspence as the results are fluid, a little more difficult to track..) and really, in the spirit of the thing, does it matter who catches the fish as long as it is caught on our board registered boat..? just some more thoughts, but I go with the consensus..

[Airslot]

For all I care, fish every day. Most notable catch wins...

Airslot

[reelapeelin]

THIS DAM THING SEEMS MORE COMPLICATED THAN GEORGE BUSHS' ELECTION SCAM!! SIGN ME UP!!

Complicated, yeah, but a helluva lot more honest... ;)...

[reelapeelin]

Why wait??...let's open the Tournament Period Aug 15 and run thru Sept 15...get this show on the road...get the ball rollin'...get those Nortons snaggin'... :o OOOOOOO...

...and guys, we gotta remember the spirit of this tournament and what it's really for...besides, I'm gonna whoop all yer butts and take all yer booty ;D ;D ;D

[Airslot]

I think that for all regios the fishing is better after Sept 1.

What do you think of the more simple format as far as the board judging the most notable catch.

Airslot

[Mac_Attack]

It's a tournament not a beauty contest!

[C YENSEN]

WHOA SLOW DOWN EVERYONE, I THINK BR MIGHT FEEL A LITTLE SABOTAGED HERE. HE CAME UP WITH THE TOURNEY IDEA, LETS SEE WHAT HE HAS COME UP WITH AS FAR AS RULES AND DATES AND THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE AS FAR AS SUGGESTIONS. ;D

[Mac_Attack]

Thanks cy.

[ebol5]

What ever we do is good with me. Lets just have fun. I am going out today after work with a racquetball buddy. It looks like it might be a little rough..... not! 8)

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[C YENSEN]

LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. ;) BRING SOME FISH BACK

[Blue_Runner]

Oh jeepers, the pressure is on....will Blue be able to make everybody happy? More to come, but I gots to eat lunch first fellas! This is just too hard on an empty stomach!

Key is it will be a rough draft and we can change it if necessary.

I'm stoked thought cause it looks like there's enough interest to make this thing work! Now we gotta have a good set of standards to make it as fair as possible.

Today is my daughter's 9th b-day and will be meeting the wife and kids at Olive Garden at 11:30am. Endless soup salad and breadsticks 8) Oh man, that will help me concentrate!! ;D

[C YENSEN]

TELL YOUR DAUGHTER HAPPY BIRTHDAY FROM ALL OF US ;D

[Blue_Runner]

Thanks a bunch Cy!! Will tell her! ;)

[Blue_Runner]

Snaggers, I'm really, really close on this rough draft. But I'm having a hard time about whether to make this length or weight. Some have expressed concern about not owning a scale.

The problem with using length is that the state record for your state might not include the length - therefore we wouldn't have a benchmark for % comparison, whereas all state records mention weight.

The more I look at this I'm thinking we'll have to go with weight. Anyone without a scale will need to either have to buy/borrow one or keep the fish and take it somewhere to be weighed. Draft to follow shortly.

Also, I'm going out of town until Sunday so give all of your opinions on my draft between now and then and I'll sort through things when I get back.

Thanks guys for you interest!
Blue

[Blue_Runner]

2006 www.WellcraftV20.com Online Fishing Tournament Rough Draft
What: First annual all-species, all states, online rod & reel fishing tournament open to all WellcraftV20 board members. Rod and Reel or hand lines only. No gigs, jugs, trot lines, nets, seins, spears, etc.

When: To be held from 6am EST Sept. 1st 2006 - 12pm midnight EST Setptember 30th 2006.

Where: In your home state, or any state you might be visiting. Must be within the USA or Ontario (for Mac ;)). Salt or fresh water. Ponds, lakes, rivers, creeks, bays, marshes and oceans all included. From surf, boat, canoe, waders, but V20 highly recommended for maximum catching ability. **Note: Fishing from aircraft will NOT be permitted at this time. ;D

Entry Fee: Entry Fee is $20.00 and must be paid to Blue Runner by August 31st 2006. Details on how to pay will be posted once everyone agrees on this draft. Upon payment, each tournament participant will be emailed, faxed, or snail-mailed their official entry form and assigned an official entry #. This entry # is to be pictured along with your catch. For more see "How to Post" below, under the "Official Weigh-in Rules and Regulations" section.

Prize Money: The winner of the tournament will be awarded 1/2 of total entry fees collected. A small feminin gift may also be awarded (likely in pink ;)). Brother MacoJoe, one of the boards pioneers and founding members will be given the other 1/2 as a gift from us for having the worst luck on earth right now (with no help from me).

Official Weigh-In Rules and Regulations
When: Official weigh-in to be held on Monday October 1st 2006 shortly after 7pm EST. All postings must be complete by the evening of Monday October 1st at 7pm EST.

Where: In the fishing section on this board. At the beginning of the tournament a new post will be started in the fishing section called "2006 Tournament Standings".

How: You can post your fish in under the "2006 Tournament Standings" topic any time during the tournament up until Monday October 1st at 7pm at which time the tournament officially ends. Winner to be announced shortly thereafter.

How to Post: The following must be included in your fish picture to be counted:
* A picture of your fish on the scale. Picture should show the entire fish (if poss) and the scale weight of the fish.
* To add credence to your fish's weight, include a picture next to a tape measure and specify length (to 1/8th inches rounded up.
* Your entry # - written on paper (or something) next to the fish.
* You standing next to or holding the fish.
* If you cannot get all of this in one picture, you may post more than 1 picture.
* No digital camera? Either borrow one from a friend or take your pictures with a regular camera, scan and post. Help will be provided for anyone having trouble posting but you can't wait until 1 hour befor the end!
* You do not have to keep the fish to enter. You may release the fish, but not before capturing the above information on your camera!


Determination of Winner: Winner will be determined on how his fish's weight compares to the state record fish for the state in which the fish is caught.

Example: Mac Attack catches a 4.75lb walleye His fish would be compared against the Ontario record walleye 22.25 lb 4.75/22.25=21.34%

Rap catches a 12.25lb striped bass NC record striped bass 54.125lb 12.25/54.125=22.6%

Ok - let the amendments begin!! For the above to change significantly, the majority needs to agree. So, state your case and if the majority agrees with you we will amend the rules. Also, please remind me of whatever I may have left out.

Peace out Snaggers! I'll be back on Sunday or Monday.

Thanks,
Blue

[Franco]

I like it! But a couple of questions. Want us to weigh them on the boat or take it to a weigh station? How about us catch and relwase guys? I plan on winning with lots of snook, kings and maybe a tarpon or two. We should make it an annual event and give the proceeds to some worthy cause.

[reelapeelin]

Sounds allgood to me, too....

Suggest MJ granted ''HONORARY'' entry...if he wins, he gets the WHOLE POT!!... ;) ;D 8)...

[Blue_Runner]

Franco, just weigh on the boat. Most importantly weigh and try to get measurement if possible. Guys without scale will need to take it somewhere.

ps
MJ honary membership is on RAP!

[C YENSEN]

sounds great to me BR, the only question i have is if i catch a big one sept 5th, and enter it. then catch a huge one :osept 25, can i update my entry? ;D ???

[Blue_Runner]

Absolutely Cy!

[reelapeelin]

I've got scales: Chattilon and Boga...accurate, but the callibrations aren't gonna show up on cammera??...I
'll just drag my catch into the produce section at the grocery store and flop 'em up on their scales 8) ...

Post the entry mail-in address and let's get the party started ;) ;D ...

Great job on the rules, Dawg :-* ...

[Blue_Runner]

Don't forget to stuff a few egg sinkers in its mouth!!

RAP, won't alot of those summertime stripers pretty much die if you release them anyway? That's what I've always heard. Have you ever had a release float back up in the heat of the summer?

[C YENSEN]

I WAS CHECKING OUT THE STATE RECORDS FOR MARYLAND AND REALIZED, I AM SCREWED. :-/I HAVEN'T EVER CAUGHT A FISH THAT SIZE OR EVEN NEAR THAT SIZE. FLOUNDER, STRIPER, TUNA, SEA TROUT, ETC. BUT IT IS FOR A GOOD CAUSE, SO I AM GOING TO GIVE IT HELL ;D

[Blue_Runner]

My goal is to get 50% on something. I doubt it will win even if I can get it, but I consider my $20 to be spent 1/2 on entertainment and the other for MJ.

Plus, if you've never caught one near that big you might be due to catch one.

[C YENSEN]

GOOD POINT, WHERE AND WHEN DO WE SEND YOU THE $$$$ ;D

[C YENSEN]

YYYYAAAAAAYYYYYY, I JUST MADE SENIOR MEMBER HERE ON THE BOARD.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE ACADEMY, AND MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY, AND GOD, AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SAID IT COULD NOT BE DONE.

MAYBE I GOT A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY THERE:-X

[Blue_Runner]

I will post how to pay soon. I want to make sure the rules are 100% before anyone commits. It'd be bad to change the rules after someone has entered...

P.S. Congrats on your new "senior member" status!

[C YENSEN]

GOOD IDEA ABOUT FINALIZING THE RULES BEFORE ANYONE SENDS THE MONEY. DOESNT LOOK LIKE ANYONE HAS HAD ANY PROBLEMS SO FAR

[Blue_Runner]

Last chance for input...I'm gonna start taking up entry fees tomorrow.

Thanks,
Blue

[willy]

Yea is there a prize for best on board super model ;D

[Mac_Attack]

Cy I went fishing this past weekend and largest walleye caught was 2#. Ontario record 22.25# How are my chances? Billy Mac

[whopper55]

Just lets us know where to send the money