V20 Restoration Fla

[Roycie]

Don't know if this is the right place to post this if not let me know where to put it.... Am new to the forum and will be asking a lot of questions as I go.. Also will be a long drawn out affair (as with any Lady) so be patient..
Am starting to pull floor up today and hope that I don't find anything surprising under there..
Any comments or help will be appreciated... Will post pics as progress goes along

Thanks

[Destroyer]

Best of luck with her facelift. Just remember that a) You'll find things that you don't want to find, b) They are fixable, c) Don't try to do it all at once. (You can eat an entire elephant if you take little bites over a long period of time) and d) There's a ton of people here that have faced exactly what you are facing and both they and their boats survived.

You'll get through it, we can help. :beer:

[RWilson2526]

Agreed, I think sometimes we take for granted this unbelievable resource we have. Tell me one other model boat owner that can search a forum and see the guts of the exact same boat they have and then see how a multitude of people have tackled the fix.....unbelievable really.

[phatdaddy]

we love pics and spending other peoples time & money

where in fl are u located?

[Roycie]

Thnaks all for the support... Will be needing it Im sure... I am in the Tampa area...

Will post some pics soon...

[phatdaddy]

look in the links section, little more than half way down, bradford has posted a link to the west epoxy book about fiberglass repair. excellent resource. u can pick up a hard copy at west marine for about 5-7 bucks
used to be a company over in largo, pinellas pines area called fiberglass technologies ( i think) also a great resource.

i used to live in lutz, great area

[Roycie]

Thanks again... Will see what I can find

[ssiredfish]

Thnaks all for the support... Will be needing it Im sure... I am in the Tampa area...

Will post some pics soon...

Good luck with it and again show us some pics....

Not a day goes by I dont miss livin in Tampa. I miss throwin down in Hyde Park and all the snook fishin I used to do:beer:

[RidgeRunner]

Come on back down and show me some of your snook holes. Oh, sorry there, welcome aboard. We love pictures. Cuddy and centers, even duallys. When I took the liner off I found numerous hooks, leads, a chip brush full of resin that was stuck to a stringer, lots of rot, and a good bit of bare wood. Don't mean to scare the newbie but these boats were punched out on an assembly line. Having said that, I agree, read up on the topic, and dive right in. Pictures, yes yes. I will consult as well if you need opinions... LOL!!

[ssiredfish]

Come on back down and show me some of your snook holes.

Two kids in tow alright????

[Roycie]

Hi All... Well here is the beginning of the end........ So to speak...

As I posted in the repair section somebody replaced the gas tank with one that didn't quite fit and cut out the storage unit to make it... Some times I wonder...

I am going to lay a new floor over the tank and hope it never leaks.. I will keep the storage unit just have to remodel it and go from there.

Would there be any advantage to spraying the risers and all with epoxy paint before laying the floor?

Here are some pics of some of the work...

[Roycie]

Sorry ... Can't seem to get pics to download.. Will try again tomorrow :sad:

[Destroyer]

Sorry ... Can't seem to get pics to download.. Will try again tomorrow :sad:

Are you using Photobucket?

[Roycie]

No am trying to load into the album section on the forum... Also have the Durango with the Hemi... 3rd one I've owned

[Roycie]

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1060

[Striper80]

Try photobucket, it's a lot easier.

[Roycie]

Well here we go... Think I figured it out...

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1066

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1065

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1064

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1063

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1062

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1061

:clap

[Striper80]

I'm only seeing one pic, but my email shows that there's more.

[Roycie]

Took awhile to get them there but seem to be sent ok. They show up here in my post.. What pic did you get?

[Striper80]

Just one of the floor. I'm viewing the site from my iPhone, not sure If that has anything to do with it.

[Roycie]

Six went through as regular photos 1 went as a thumbnail.. I think that's the one you are looking at... Some photos won't open on my friends iphone so maybe you will be able to open them later on your computer... Let me know...

[Kracker Jack]

If figure you figure out Photobucket that will be the best pics. By the way have fun on your project. As already been said....this site is loaded with info and very very knowledgeable guys.

[SkunkBoat]

can't wait to see pix.

as for posting photos...my 2 cents...
I don't use photobucket(not anything against it)

The main problem is file size. New cameras have 5 megapixel or more...:pic:

To get them smaller there are multiple ways but I email them to myself, which gives the option to make smaller. I Save them in a folder marked "email photos"

Then I can choose them on this site using the "attachments paper clip"
Works every time. Puts the pix in as thumbnails that the reader can expand.

Another way is to go to your UserCP here and save them(the small files) in an album. Then you can use the "Insert Photo" function and it puts the photos directly in the post without thumbnail.

[Roycie]

Here are some pics after floor removal.. It seems as though every thing is good except around the sides of the gas tank.. What a butcher job putting in a gas tank

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1071

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1068

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1067

[Roycie]

One more

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1068

[Kracker Jack]

I dont seem to be able to see the pictures? And by the way when i ripped my sole up on my boat.....i was in shock as to how crappy the glass and wood construction was on my 74'. It was terrible. Just looking at quality from back then im almost positive my boat is 500 times stronger than factory!

[Roycie]

I am still trying to figure out the picture thing.. I agree when I saw the factory work I thought it was a Monday morning project... Somebody else decided to replace the gas tank with a bigger on and had know idea how to waterproof any thing

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1067

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1070

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1071

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1068

[Roycie]

Does anybody know what this is????
It is located just in front of the bilge

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/picture.php?albumid=152&pictureid=1072

[phatdaddy]

not sure of size, but a hinge for a bilge pump float switch maybe?

when it doubt, rip it out

[Kracker Jack]

not sure of size, but a hinge for a bilge pump float switch maybe?

when it doubt, rip it out

Phat hit the nail on the head! Old Johnson auto float switch bracket.

[Roycie]

That would make sense.. But going to leave it there... Don't want to pull gas tank out but have a lot of water under it and wondering how the original was set in... any thoughts????

[phatdaddy]

the original tank cavity was between the stringers with two bulkheads fore & aft to enclose the tank. there was a 1" hole in the bottom of the bulkheads and a piece of 1" pvc was glassed in the bottom and the holes were sealed to keep the cavity "spill proof". the theory was if the fuel cell ruptured, the fuel was still contained in the cavity and not get to the bilge. pretty sure it never worked like that though. then 4 wedges were put in the cavity to hold the tank off the bottom and off the pvc pipe. after that, they were foamed in to stabilize.

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo214/gls216/NCM_0027_zps2f3235f0.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/gls216/media/NCM_0027_zps2f3235f0.jpg.html)

when i installed my new tank, i eliminated the thru pipe and enlarged the drains

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo214/gls216/unnamed_zps0dd2d63d.jpg (http://s377.photobucket.com/user/gls216/media/unnamed_zps0dd2d63d.jpg.html)

[Roycie]

Thank you phat, I am attaching 2 photos.. One shows the way somebody cut through the riser to install a larger tank.... The other one shows the front of the tank from the front... The pvc pipe goes all the way through to the bilge area.. The problem being is that the left about a one foot void with nowhere for the water to go... Am planning on extending the pipe and building a new riser in front and foaming the void and hopefully make water proof

[jetblue319]

Hi I live in Tampa,(near Westchase), my v20 is up in crystal river where I work on it (rewiring new tank, instrument ) also have a 99 Durango. 5.2, I been reworking also. If you need help let me know
Jetblue319

[Roycie]

Hi Jet,, I live in the Seminole Heights area... I thank you for the offer and may take you up on it.. I have a johnson 150 on it and will definitely need to rewire it..
Did you get to see any of the pictures I posted? Been trying different ways to load them

[jetblue319]

i lived in seminole heights back in 2001, off of Highland , on south st. a block away from the river. its south of Hillsborough. ave. i have a johnson 150 that i purchase seized. saved a few parts i also have the manual in cd format. im off on weekends most of the time, just let me know.

[Roycie]

we live on the east side of nebraska on idlewild.... My biggest prob right now is how to pull the motor off so I can work on the transom.. Any thoughts??

[phatdaddy]

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-ton-chain-hoist-69338-8825.html

if i'm not mistaken, that motor has a lifting eye on it

[Destroyer]

Either a chain hoist, come-along or (my own personal choice) a cherry picker will work fine.

I use a cherry picker because it allows me to move the engine around after I've removed it from the transom. It's simply a matter of logistics. Mobility equals ease of use.

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-Ton-Capacity-Foldable-Shop-Crane-69512-9073.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiNzc4NTgzMTciLCJza3UiO iI2OTUxMiIsImlzIjoiMTQ5Ljk5IiwicHJvZHVjdF9p%0D%0AZ CI6IjkwNzMifQ%3D%3D%0D%0A&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=0615b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c0615b

[SkunkBoat]

Roycie, that tank installation must have cut out a bulkhead? looks crazy...tank must be too long. ...and hoses going the wrong way?

[Roycie]

All the above skunkboat.... Had to wind up pulling the tank. Attached is a pic of what it looks like underneath... Now more work and a new tank... Oh the joys of restoring v1

[SkunkBoat]

Sometimes you gotta wonder why people do things. That off-the-shelf poly tank was probably $400 and a cluster&%$# to get it in. A new custom aluminum tank is $500-$550.

You can do it right or do it fast but you can't do it half-right, only half-fast!

[jetblue319]

i have an eng lift i used to remove the engine from the transom. it is removed by attaching the hoist to the flywheel. the original fuel tank is still available, from RSD alum. at Perry, florida, i payed 580.00 with delivery. do you have a outbd motor stand? ( i do not have one)

[Roycie]

Hi Jet.. I do not have a stand but can build one.. It will be awhile as I want to get the tank and the floor in before I start on the transom... Will be digging out the rubble left under the tank and then start the process of putting it all back together..There is a place here in Tampa that is called Fiberglass Discount and the owner is a world of knowledge and his prices seem to be right..
Do you have a pic of the tank you put in ??? Would like to know what I have to redo before I buy one

Thanks
Royce

[jetblue319]

i have a new tank that is ready to go in just have to have it painted and wrap it up prior to installing back in fuel tank well. where is the figerglas shop? i like to learn how to work with that and do repairs

[Roycie]

wish mine was that easy!!!!! The fiberglas place is at 4705 No Lois Ave.. The owners name is Jesus... Phone number 813-877-6667... Seems to be a real nice guy and has all you need there..
Keep me posted on your progress..Will send you pics of before and after clean-up

[Roycie]

Hey jet could you give me the dimensions of that tank?? I need to rebuild the area it goes in and that would be very helpful... Thanks

[jetblue319]

I will post it tonight the mfg sent me the specs i
n a email I have at home

[Roycie]

Thanks.... No work on the boat today but here is a before and after pic

[jetblue319]

i cant load the file because its too big , pm me your email so i can sent it to you
the length is 44 5/8
width is 31 1/8
sides are 7 1/4
base of tank is 10 3/4
the height from the base of the tank to the sides of the tank is 11 3/8

[Roycie]

Those will work Thanks alot

[Roycie]

the internet is a dangerous thing... I have read a couple of different articles that state you should not foam around the gas tank... They state that water will accumulate around the aluminum and corrode it and the poly tanks need to expand..

I know a lot of you restorers have replace tanks so what are your thoughts???

[Destroyer]

the internet is a dangerous thing... I have read a couple of different articles that state you should not foam around the gas tank... They state that water will accumulate around the aluminum and corrode it and the poly tanks need to expand..

I know a lot of you restorers have replace tanks so what are your thoughts???

If it were me, I'd just coat my tank with truck bed liner first, then foam it in place. Water would NEVER be able to get through that stuff, so there would be no danger of corrosion.

But WHY do Poly tanks need to expand? That's what the vent line is for. There is no expansion with built in tanks that I know of.

[phatdaddy]

i used mechanical fasteners to hold my tank in, just so i can remove it easily for maintenance. the original was unpainted/coated and foamed in. it lasted 30 years.
a lot of guys use coal tar epoxy to coat. i have never used or applied bedliner, so i don't know about it. it does very well on scruffed up steel. some even powdercoated, but i have heard of it cracking.
probably the best is to do what you think is best/ affordable, then seal the deck very well. i chose to leave my compartment open for air circulation. not sure if that is best, but i can always go back and seal and foam.

[Roycie]

Hey Phat did you put any drain holes in the gas compartment to let any water that may get in the escape? I want to seal the compartment but still having doubts about making it unexcessable. I like your idea about having it available to maintain. Do you get any water in there?

[phatdaddy]

go back to post #32, that is the size of the drains i installed in the forward and aft bulkhead in the tank compartment. the original was a piece of 3/4 pvc, which was continually getting stopped up. the tank is sitting on 1/2 pieces of foam off of the hull on the sides. this allows air and water to drain to the bilge when inclined. any water in the bilge will flow freely in and out of the fuel cell compartment.
this is the part that concerns me. still not sure if i am going to leave like this or not. considering glassing a larger drain pipe to the bottom and sealing the compartment.

[Roycie]

I plan on doing that also... I think the pipe running down the middle is a very poor design.. Seems like everybody has rot starting right there.. Will figure out some way to drain the water under the tank when I get the tank.

[phatdaddy]

biggest problem with rot is the drain holes in the stringers where they meet the transom.
$1.00 worth of resin would have saved a lot of heartache

[Roycie]

Ok guys big question for all of you... I have done 99% of the demolition on my V20. I am not wanting to do the final restoration of the boat due to many reasons.. Mostly financial.. I would like to sell the boat and motor (150 Johnson..needing work).. I have a dual axle trailer that I would sell with it for another $400.00..

I have bought the materials glass and resin to redo the stringers and bulkhead repairs.. Also have some extras that go with the boat.

Just wondering if I am in the ballpark with the price and how to advertise it.
I know its a project boat. the hull is is great shape. Don't really want to get rid of it but prevailing circumstances require it

Thanks for any input you may have

Royce

[Destroyer]

Ok guys big question for all of you... I have done 99% of the demolition on my V20. I am not wanting to do the final restoration of the boat due to many reasons.. Mostly financial.. I would like to sell the boat and motor (150 Johnson..needing work) for the $1200.00 I have in it.. I have a dual axle trailer that I would sell with it for another $400.00..

I have bought the materials glass and resin to redo the stringers and bulkhead repairs.. Also have some extras that go with the boat.

Just wondering if I am in the ballpark with the price and how to advertise it.
I know its a project boat. the hull is is great shape. Don't really want to get rid of it but prevailing circumstances require it

Thanks for any input you may have

Royce

Sorry to hear that Royce :( It's really the wrong time of the year to be selling a boat, in any shape. If you can hold out until springtime you'll have a better chance of getting the dollars you're asking.

I'd not include the materials with the sale personally. Sell them on eBay separately. Better chance of getting your money back instead of just giving them away in a fire sale.

[Roycie]

Thanks for the insight... It is almost spring here in fla.. : ) I will hold off with the materials but need to get boat listed... I think I read or heard some where that where ever there is an old beat up boat there is an old beat up boater that wants it.. Maybe I can find him

[jetblue319]

sorry to hear your selling the boat, whats wrong with the engine? im looking for something thats workable. i have a lot of spare 85 johnson 150 parts. any pictures?

[Roycie]

Dont know what is wrong with motor... Previous owner said it was running last year.. I know it needs wiring... It does turn over and don't look to be in to bad of shape.. The skag is missing about 2" off of it but easily fixed I think..

Will post some pics when the rain passes through

[Roycie]

Hi blue here are some more pictures of the motor.

[jetblue319]

hi,
sorry but i will hold off on that one, i got one thats seized,and i'm trying to remove the block from the exhaust housing.