update on my 3.7

[aussie]

finally found a 4 barrel intake for my 3.7 got it for $ 99 us off ebay so wont need to finish off the one i was modifing $65 us for shipping he was a nice guy in the add it said no shipping world wide i sent him a message and asked if he would think about sending it to Australia and he replied yes only cause i have 100% feed back

thinking of stroking the 3.7 it means to offset the crankshaft grind and to use BB chev rods looking at around 260 ci got my mate coming from the machine shop to see what we can do with out costing too much money he hasnt ever seen a 3.7

i also bought a reco 456 holley to try and see wether i can get the holley or the edlebrock 500 to run better it all depends on jetting

hope all you guys are all doing well :sun:

[smokeonthewater]

if that edelbrock is a carter, I'd go with it

[spareparts]

keep in mind, you can't properly balance a four cylinder engine without a balance shaft, if you stroke that engine, its going o really shake, and there's not much you can do about it. did you ever come up with an aftermarket cylinder head for it?

[Destroyer]

Hey Aussie! I can't help you worth a dime on your rebuild, but it's good to see you. How are you doing health wise?

[aussie]

if that edelbrock is a carter, I'd go with it
it is a edlebrock carb like a carter i like them cause they are compact and dont have problems with leaks but on the other hand i dont have much experance with them as for fine tuning jets----the holley is alot easier for jets--acc pump---power vavle and itntermedate system if the edelbrock dosnt take much time getting it right with different jets and pins i stick with it

[aussie]

keep in mind, you can't properly balance a four cylinder engine without a balance shaft, if you stroke that engine, its going o really shake, and there's not much you can do about it. did you ever come up with an aftermarket cylinder head for it?
well you may of opened a can of worms for the balance side of the engine im not sure how it will affect it balance wise i will speak to my mate who is doing the machining i thought once it is rebalanced it should be fine will look into it
as for the head yes i did buy a edebrock proformer head with the larger chamber complete withvavles and springs

[aussie]

Hey Aussie! I can't help you worth a dime on your rebuild, but it's good to see you. How are you doing health wise?
hi des just you making a comment makes me feel at home havent been on here for a while still feel like a outsider on the health side both hips are done the heart seems ok had a little scare 4 weeks ago finally got my brain tumor rescanned and it was fine no growth in 8 years but my blood tests came back and my iron level was way to low and i was anemic my doc said ill be straight out with you it could be bowel cancer being so low in the iron had some camera work up my *** and down my throat and thank god all they found was a bug growing in my gut a week on a few different anti boitics and im all clear so you wont be hearing much moaning from me only when my wife gets in my face lol
:nice:

[Road King Cole]

Just the other day I was thinking "hmm, haven't heard from crazy assuie in a while, hope he doing OK as warm weather should be coming his way".

Glad you are doing well!

rkc

[Destroyer]

hi des just you making a comment makes me feel at home havent been on here for a while still feel like a outsider on the health side both hips are done the heart seems ok had a little scare 4 weeks ago finally got my brain tumor rescanned and it was fine no growth in 8 years but my blood tests came back and my iron level was way to low and i was anemic my doc said ill be straight out with you it could be bowel cancer being so low in the iron had some camera work up my *** and down my throat and thank god all they found was a bug growing in my gut a week on a few different anti boitics and im all clear so you wont be hearing much moaning from me only when my wife gets in my face lol
:nice:

Glad it was just a bug and that it's been killed. My friend, if I should ever get to Australia I expect to get the deluxe .50 cent tour from you, so take care of yourself. Cheers mate.

[spareparts]

the issue with balancing a 4 cylinder engine is that you can't completely balance one with using a balance shaft. I had my machinist explain it to once, but i still didn't understand what he said. It has something to do with harmonics or something. Most four cylinders are balanced close, but not perfect like you can with a V8. Same thing with some of the V6's, that's why they had the shake issue between 1400 rpm and 2500 rpm. They installed balance shafts on The V6's and it fixed the issue. Some overhead cam engines have weights on the cam shaft to help smooth the engine out. On your 3.7L they shake quite a bit to begin with, I think stroking it is going to add to the issue. Personally, I'd run the 4bbl intake with a Quadrajet(I like them), put the edlebrock head on with a good set of rocker arms. I don't know whats available for a cam shaft, but just running something better than the stock rockers should give you more lift than came from the factory. I think you'll be surprised how well it runs with this set up

[aussie]

ok i do understand about the counter balance shaft Mitsubishi had them on there 4 cyl run by a small timing belt and it broke and wasnt timed propley it would make the car vibrate in a funney way almst like the muffler was gone .thanks for that i havent spoken to him but ill do some research on it and i only want 5000 rpm or close enough i want a torque engine with the carby i dont like the small primaries and large secs and i have never rejted one i do all my fine tuning using a oxy sensor to get the fuel and air ratio correct thanks for your advice:ski:

[aussie]

the issue with balancing a 4 cylinder engine is that you can't completely balance one with using a balance shaft. I had my machinist explain it to once, but i still didn't understand what he said. It has something to do with harmonics or something. Most four cylinders are balanced close, but not perfect like you can with a V8. Same thing with some of the V6's, that's why they had the shake issue between 1400 rpm and 2500 rpm. They installed balance shafts on The V6's and it fixed the issue. Some overhead cam engines have weights on the cam shaft to help smooth the engine out. On your 3.7L they shake quite a bit to begin with, I think stroking it is going to add to the issue. Personally, I'd run the 4bbl intake with a Quadrajet(I like them), put the edlebrock head on with a good set of rocker arms. I don't know whats available for a cam shaft, but just running something better than the stock rockers should give you more lift than came from the factory. I think you'll be surprised how well it runs with this set up spares i spoke to my mate at the shop and he said theres no reason why it should vibrate more only if i do a crank swap

[aussie]

ok the stroking part has been droped but i am going to buy some good conrods there not much more than doing your own---i finally took the timing cover of camshaft and crank so there all waiting to get machined and balanced --with the harmonic balancer i tried a cleveland one on it it fits fine and it even feels a little heavier i will buy a new one that has the removeable conterweight as these engine are internal balanced--i also need to ring crow cams about grinding the cam into a solid profile--i did try and get a unmachined cams from some cam places in the us but they didnt want to sell me one so im stuck using a regrind which im not to keen on---im going to have the old cam read to see what the specs are on it so i have some idea what it had---these are the specs im thinking of using its a comp cam 270s grind

Comp Cams #249-12-222-4

Magnum 270S Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshaft
Lift: .468"/.468"
Duration: 270°/270°
Lobe Separation Angle: 106°
RPM Range: 1500-5500

these are the head flow rates
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/735801_4920520424880_414028825_o.jpg


i might increase the lift to 550 or 600 to get the flow benifits of the head but ill see what crow cams suggest and i will get a secound opion from wade cams too

im still thinking of cutting off the water pump shaft of the camshaft and getting the hole in the timing cover welded up and using a electric water pump as for the delco alternator thats going in the bin i got a 60 amp bosch that will do the job

the engine compartment is going to be painted in color flec and i have put the paper air filter under the bench and i am getting a flame arrestor one as you guys sugessted

will be posting pics and more info as its done and with the harmonic balancer it looks like all the lugs on the timing cover that held the old charging system will need to be machined off to fit will add pics when its done
:nice::jet:

[aussie]

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[aussie]

After a week of emailing Eagle I got 4 connecting rods and it looks like ill be using Summit as the shipping is $80 cheaper than Jeggs and the sales rep when he rang ask for 4 but didn't tell eagle that it wasn't to match another 4 that it was for a 4cyl application so tomorrow morning ill be up at 4am to make the order


PROBLEMS pistons the block I have has 30+ pistons and I checked the bore no ridge marks up the top and still had hone marks in it so bye the eye it looked good enough to just hone but I decided to go 40+ as it had the wrong pistons in it 460 smog (I think that's what you call them )
my mate rang me and said theres a problem with the bore at 40 it wont clean up I thought im stuffed now as I only saw 40+ for them .Who ever bored it machined them like funnels omg--He ended up honing the bore while I was there and the bottom of the bore wasn't clean you could still see the light glaze I said it will have to do I have no choice and finding a block here id impossible .Then my mate suggest getting the shirts coated which will give them a little more size $100 to do all 4 so im getting them done and now I need to check the ring gap when its done may even have to buy file backs of those zero rings

With the crankshaft I cant get it machined until I have the connecting rods so that's on hold to now my mate has offered to clean up the ports on my new head im not sure if I want to pull apart a new head he said it will improve the flow rate it will be done for free

[smokeonthewater]

I'm NOT an expert on the subject but I would be VERY hesitant to mess with the porting in the head.... there are bad things that CAN come from that such as fuel not staying atomized at low rpm (IE loading up at idle or low speed) or losing low end torque (which is vital for a boat) to gain top end and you are building a lugger not a 1/4 mile screamer..
just my .02

[aussie]

I don't want to loose low end power this guy is a well know engine builder here its only around the guide boss that needs a clean up as edelbrock don't touch the casting around the guide boss as it takes time and will have a affect on the retail price . I should off said clean up as people know porting as making the ports larger todays its changing the shape of the port that's important not size--that's why these new style v8 go well the heads make the power :sly:

[smokeonthewater]

Actually you DID say "clean up" and I knew what you meant.
I've seen it go both ways ..... Both with a "well known" fellow doing the work.
As long as he really does have a good understanding of what works well for a marine engine you are likely ok but sooo many people want to build a boat engine the same way they would a dragster. Just saying be careful mate.

[aussie]

Actually you DID say "clean up" and I knew what you meant.
I've seen it go both ways ..... Both with a "well known" fellow doing the work.
As long as he really does have a good understanding of what works well for a marine engine you are likely ok but sooo many people want to build a boat engine the same way they would a dragster. Just saying be careful mate. I don't really want a race boat I need good idle and bottom end to get the boat on the plain with my wifes fat *** in there
lol really I want a good idle don't want it thumping when I engage it into gear or doing 5mph at idle

[smokeonthewater]

personally I'd most likely leave it alone.. edelbrock makes good stuff right out of the box... MIGHT be worth a call to edelbrock tech line to discuss their thoughts on your planned mods tho

[aussie]

IM BACK 4 WEEKS LATER AND STILL NO CONRODS SUMMIT WHAT YOU DOING TO ME CANT TAKE 4 WEEKS TO SHIPPED THEM ACROSS THE STATE :devil:

[aussie]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/q71/s320x320/1002794_10201106321094208_1943572676_n.jpg got the pistons back and they have been coated happy there blue not chevy orange lol

[aussie]

Went and seen my mate at the machine shop and he hasn't done anything to the engine since I dropped the connecting rods off. He told me in 4 weeks and I said I need it now as its too close to summer know and I want to wet it this year:fight:

Finally bought some head studs found them on ebay Jeggs has a ebay store . Well I had dramas with that buy too .they said they post internaion and they needed to give me a price. Four weeks I remined them every week no reply so I just bought another set of them and then they woke up . I bought them of ebay because they were the only ones that would sell a set for one head . The studs ended up coming and when I went to collect them the package seemed heavy . when I got home and open it sure enough they sent me 2 head sets not one . I should sell these on ebay and then buy another 1/2 set and keep doing it till they wake up LOL

[aussie]

I have got a 500 cfm edelbrock carb that I bought for my engine .I was thinking of buying a 750 cfm edelbrock as well as I think when the boat is on the cruise it may have the secondaires on the carb open beacause the primary ones are small . I have had this on cars too were a bigger carb in a 4 barrel gives you better millage ???? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS

[smokeonthewater]

I think trying to cruise on just the primaries (for a boat) will cause you to be running too big of a carb... as long as the jets n rods are right having, having the secondaries cracked shouldn't hurt ya

[spareparts]

best cruise is right before the secondary's open, be careful of running too lean at that point. generally the secondary fuel metering isn't as regulated as the primary, so you may be able to dial it in. I've run boat watching the linkage to see where the secondary start to move, just to dial it in. I still say you need to keep the Q-jet

[aussie]

I don't have a Qjet carby .I have never liked them and have never played with one only because there ugly lol . Yes spares that what I plan doing running it on the plain at a good cruise speed and checking were the carb is at and as for mixtures im fitting a air furl ratio meter on it so I can be sure its not running lean at any throttle position .I have messaged a few cam grinding places here none have responded back . I suppose my project has no interest to them . I wish I found this block 3 months ago would of saved me money on getting the pistons coated well **** happens

[RidgeRunner]

I used the Q-jet on a high compression 350 once and it delivered 22 to 23 MPG, I imagine you want the secondaries to come in early on a boat motor.
I hope your project gets to moving along Aussie.
Nice score on the set of heads.. Your on your way to building a second engine..

[aussie]

Seriously I don't think it will be finished this year my wife lost her job 4 weeks ago and I have had some problems with the law and family at the moment we are not speaking to my parents or hers . My 2 older Sons want to give me the money to finish it off but I cant accept taking money of them . It will make me feel like a bigger Loser I do have some pride left in me ever after all my health issues and how the family is trying to F--k us over. I will get there even if it takes another year I can wait . Whats time . Well it took me 10 years to build my house im in ---------------------------------------------------------------------------