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#21 07-26-2003, 12:00 PM

He THOUGHT that was all.

#22 07-26-2003, 09:13 PM

IO guess I'm getting desperate But-If I can't get someone to do it soon - As a last resort I am considering doing it myself. Anyone here done it? Got the Clymers manual but it's pretty poor but looking at the engine it doesn't look all that difficult. I'll see if I can get a factory manual.

macojoe · #23 07-27-2003, 10:58 PM

Sorry to here about your motor!! But as I said when you were buying it , have some cash for repair!! Its not unlike a used car you need to put money in!! I never bought a boat for the whole package! I buy the hull when I am looking, then the trailer. As for the motor unless you are very lucky!! you have to replace the engin when you get it. This is why most boats get sold. They just have had it with the engin problems and can't afford a new engin at $10,000.00 so sell it.
I also belive you are going to put good money after bad if you think it is just a gasket. You now have water in that cylinder and it is rusting things as we speak!!
I don't know how you are for money but I have a guy who will sell you a complete rebuilt Yamaha 150hp installed with garratee for about $6000.00 I know it is alot of cash but the best way out. I also have a great Mercury/Johnson guy I have used for 10 years and he is great, no bull s*^t, tells it like it is weather it is good or bad. I don't know how backed up he is but I can call him. But he is in Raynham, Ma.
Let me no if you want me to call him. And good luck with what ever you do!!
I have been there and done that, and it is very upsetting!! You try and try and try and hit a dead end everytime!!

#24 07-30-2003, 05:49 PM

Pulled the head off last night. Came off easier than I expected. Cylinders looks ok, no rusting or scoring and the top of the pistons look fine. But the inside of one head had some dings like a piece of ring was flying around in there. I'm hoping it is old damage taken care of at the last rebuild. Compression check done when I bought it was good. Will put a new gasket in this weekend and do a compession test. Wish me luck because I don't have $$ for new engine this year.

PS. Not looking for trouble (already found it when I bought a boat) but if I need to replace rings do I need to tear the entire engine down?

Crusher · #25 07-30-2003, 10:13 PM

Repirts, Check out Blackbird Remanufactured Outboards & Powerheads. They have some interesting information on proper equipment needed to redo ( Honning ) cylinders. http://1outboard.com Crusher

bigirishk · #26 08-01-2003, 03:23 AM

WOW,

This sounds really familiar!! I pulled off the head with the leaking head gasket 2 weeks ago and was also greeted with a pitted underside on the suspect cylinder. This is definitely from an earlier rebuild in my case, but my buddy and I rotated the engine around and took hold of the piston top. We could wiggle it back and forth WAY TOO MUCH. We didn't get a mic. on it, but It's got too much play. The Johnson has an inspection plate up on the cylinder wall that we removed and looked into. We could get a little flathead screwdriver on the rings and they would wiggle back and forth with too much play. This baby was about to let go, and the dead ignition to that cylinder (coil pack) was saving me a tow to the dock.

Unless yours is just a simple blown head gasket (coincidence that it's the old blown cylinder that blew again?) I'm in the same boat as you :(

#27 08-01-2003, 07:37 PM

Well now I'm screwed. Replaced gasket, checked compression, that's Ok. Put it in water and result really bad. Won't idle and there is an occassional knock that sounds like metal hitting metal. Concensus is engine is shot. Now what? I don't have the money for a new one. really don't even have the money for rebuilt. SH%T!!

macojoe · #28 08-01-2003, 09:34 PM

First thing is to relax!! We have all been there and we will all be there again. Welcome to the world of boating.

First, did you put it all back toghter again the right way?? I am not trying to say that you are stupid or anything. But did you go just like the manual said? Some bolts have to be torqued just rt. Is everthing sealed good?? Just a little air leak can mess things up good! Or a water leak! Take plugs out and make sure there is no water in the cyl. If there is maybe there is a crack in the water jacket not the gasket at all?? Did you remove the Carb's at all?

I found that I Boats is a nice place to ask ?? and they really no there stuff!! Give it a try

http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi

I hope all works out well!! If not its not the end of the world, Fall is comming and there will be lots of motors on the market. You might find a nice used deal. I found a 1989 175 hp Yamaha for $1800.00 with everything!!
If not then then in early spring? I use my Tax refund to suport my habbit ;D One year the boat next year repairs, next more repairs, next more repairs, next Repower, ect, ect............. Get the picture.

Why we spend so much money, sweat, tears, hate, discontent, all in the name of fishing is beond me!! But I love it!!

It has taken me 5 years and $6000.00 above the $2000 I bought the boat for to get where I am today. And this is for the boat! Wait till you get into the fish finder, GPS, Rods, Reels, and all the other little things you need.

Good Luck!! If you need ant Info I will help all I can! But take it easy!! You have had no boat all this time and one more season won't hurt. You will get there!!

Listen to me if I lost my boat for a day I would be like a new born without his mother.

#29 08-01-2003, 10:22 PM

Macojoe,

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm pretty discouraged right now and my kid is crushed.

Right now, the way I see it, is that this season is gone, I spent $3000 for a good hull and a lousy engine. I guess it boils down to my paying a little too much for the hull. If I sell it I'm not going to get my $$ back so I might as well keep it. Right now I don't have the money to repower.

This motor is a machine. In fact, it's not really all that complicated. I don't want to brag but all my life I've tackled jobs that everone said I couldn't do and done them. So, here's my plan.

Pull the power head, put it in my basement, open the damn thing up a see what is wrong. At that point either fix it or put it in the dumpster. What have I got to lose? Even if I can't fix it, I'll learn something.

I'll keep you posted.

chumbucket · #30 08-02-2003, 12:35 AM

Repirts, good advice from macojoe. And, $3000 for a decent hull and trailer isn't really too far out of line. They should be worth $2500 at least. Hey, any time you buy a used motor, you take a big chance unless they offer some sort of warranty which just never happens except for the few times you might buy from a dealer and even then, they might only give you 90 days at best. If you're interested in getting that motor rebuilt, I know someone that would probably do the job. Just don't plan on getting it turned around right away. You could get it rebuilt and running possibly for some fall Striper action or get everything set for next year.
If the motor is rebuildable, you'd probably be looking at around $1000-$1500 depending on what needs to be done.
The guy is in Marshfield. Let me know if you're interested and I'll talk to him.