How's that "Hope and Change" working?

[smokeonthewater]

Originally Posted by RWilson2526

Damn, I think Larry is Destroyers evil twin.

First time I've heard the word evil used to make a complement!

I dare say Obummer is the second worst leader this land has ever had..... The worst being King George III tho I'm not CERTAIN George was actually worse!

(not referring to bush)

[Destroyer]

Spoogy, you are entitled to your beliefs. I've made that clear several times. But if you fire a gun at me, you can bet I'm going to return fire. Your comments were and are insulting to me, yet unlike you, I've kept quiet about being insulted. No more. If you think that I'm going to sit by while you insult me, lie to me and everyone else here with those posted "facts" and then allow you to think that you can do so with impunity, (simply because you seem to be able to use some fancy words here and there), perhaps you should think again.

The atmosphere in here is harsh. I admit it and I'll make no apologies for that. And if at times I seem to be a bully... well, so be it. As they say, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". But nothing I post is knowingly false. Everything is well read before hand and then researched independently. You want to check my posts? Have at it. If I've made a mistake I'll welcome a correction.

I am a person of deep convictions. I'm a Patriot. I love my Country! And for the record, I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. I'm a highly conservative Independent. I'm a twice decorated Vietnam combat vet. And please, for the love of God, don't thank me for my service. No one did while I was in. It just sounds hollow now.

As before, I welcome you into these forums, and I look forward to anything you have to post with regards to boating, fishing, family matters, questions, in fact just about anything in the whole wide world.........Except your political views, because from where I stand, when someone starts a discussion, or a fight, and then runs away, they lose stature in my eyes. You have been trying to take the high road, aiming insult after insult, playing the wounded soul... "Oh poor me, you're ganging up on me, I'm insulted"....... And around here, it doesn't work. There are some highly intelligent people here that can see through smoke screens like that in an instant. And if you are insulted, well, "frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn".

Cutting and pasting a bunch of useless "facts" is not a discussion. And I'll tell you right now that I will not believe you for a second if you try to tell me that you read and researched every one of those 245 supposed "facts" before you pasted them here. So, go ahead and use your fancy words and your bourgeoisie attitude. We of the proletariat are not impressed.

[Destroyer]

Just a really quick reply. There is a caveat at the beginning of this thread, stating that " This section is for Political Threads - Enter at your own risk. If you say you don't want to see what someone posts - don't read it!!" Perhaps, like those 245 "facts", you should have read that also.

[cterrebonne]

I tried to read that whole list but I stopped when I got to this one.

6. Through an executive order, he created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. http://bit.ly/hwKhKa
Prevented a Bush Depression and Improved the Economy

If that list said that the president stopped a depression, I really would argue that whoever put that list together does not grasp how out economy and the Federal Reserve system really works. Actually restricting government spending would lessen the US's GDP and not improve it.

I am all for giving someone their fair shot when they win the office of the presidency but the guy in charge right now really has some bad things going on underneath him right now.

I am sure there is plenty that he did good for the country, I would say despite that, he has done more bad things.

[LESTERUS]

"40. Issued an Executive Order on Presidential Records, which restored the 30-day time frame for former presidents to review records, and eliminated the right for the vice president or family members of former presidents to do the reviews. Provides the public with greater access to historic White House documents, and severely curtails the ability to use executive privilege to shield them." And yet, his personal records, grades, clients etc. are sealed FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.!!!!!!!!, Why ???????

[willy]

Really? Why? Because he is a liar, a crook and a died in the wool socialist.
He feels nothing for the American People, actually holds them in disdain for not embracing the obviousness of his socialist ideals.
He holds the Constitution in disdain, feels it unduly restricts his plans for the utopian dream of his fathers.
He has secretly plotted against large segments of the American People to fundamentally transform America, starting with Fast and Furious, continuing with using the IRS to target Americans who disagree with him and a dozen other things that completely explain what kind of anti American trash he is.

The sorry thing for us as Americans, this country elected him twice. Shame on us.
We have a chance tomorrow to start fixing it, hopefully our liberal friends and we all have them God Bless their hearts have the courage and foresight to help

[willy]

Maybe, just maybe there is hope tonight that the American People can see the forest for the trees.
The Senate is now in the hands of people who will actually debate issues and vote on Bill's presented to them by the Peoples House.
Harry Reid go sit down with the rest of the scum.

[Destroyer]

Yesterday, we, the American public, sent a clear message to both parties that we do not like the president's policy's, that we do not want America to be "fundamentally changed". Over the past 6 years, the house has sent over 800 bills to the Senate. All sat in limbo because Harry Reid, acting on the presidents orders, would not let any of them come up for a vote. Now admittedly, not every bill was good, and not every bill would have passed. But the point is that none of them were even debated... none of them ever came to the floor for a vote. Hopefully with the Senate and the Congress now firmly in the hands of the Republicans that logjam will finally be cleared and Washington will actually start doing what they are getting paid to do. Do not expect every bill to be signed by the president. He still has the very powerful veto pen in his pocket. But at least if he veto's everything that comes before him the American public will see who the real party of "no" is. Let us hope and pray that he doesn't just reject everything that comes before him since we have some very real problems with this country and we need both parties working together to fix them.

Yes, I personally am elated with the election results, but I am also cognoscente of the fact that now we have an obligation and a sacred duty to try to work together and resolve some of the problems facing us. ISIS, Ebloa, Keystone, Immigration, & Minimum wage are just a few of them. The time for politics is over. The real work begins now!

[spareparts]

an update on that hope and change bs. We got our revised summary for health insurance for next year, it will be $1142 per month for me and my two daughters at $5000 deductible/out of pocket per year. Before O care, it was $546 per month with a $1000 deductible/out of pocket. I want to personally thank all the asshats that voted for this crap, you can show your appreciation by making a monthly payment to my personal account to offset my increased premiums. I take cash check and paypal. Before any one suggest it, we make too much money to get the subsidies and because of my daughters health history I'm not taking any chance by shopping another company. Changes are coming again for the health care industry and its not going to get any better. I blame all who voted for this crap.

[bradford]

Spare that sucks man.

I'm wondering what I'm gonna do next time mine goes up. Maxed out at the most I'm willing to afford now. My flood insurance about doubled this year too. Never had a claim. The policy is administrated by my old insurance company. My new guy told me NOT to switch it over to him because he's had others go up 4-5 times what they were paying! If I didn't have family that counted on me for certain things I'd seriously go John Galt. Check out of society and refuse to play the game. Find an old trawler to live on and not own anything.