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[Mac_Attack]

Thanks for your concern CB. What I meant was that if I paid 6-7000 for the boat thinking that the motor was good , meaning in running order and than it did crap out and I opted to replace rather than repair I could be out that 13000 to19000 dollars. I won't buy it without a survey and an in water (lake) load test. I talked to another local repair shop (Johnson, Evinrudes). He was not as opposed as the other mechanic. He just said they don't have as much power and its 80's technology. He could do routine service but any parts needed I'd have to locate and deliver. Oh, by the way, I use a Gillette Mach 3 Turbo. Bill Mc ;D

[chumbucket]

;D Best shave in town. Stay away from that Schick crap >:(

In round numbers, I would pay about 4000 for the hull and another grand for the force, but only if I had to and it was in good running condition.

Mac - So you're asking 8000 for the boat and motor? :-/

Seller - Yeah, I'm asking 8000, but that's negotiable.

Mac - ok, so how did you come up with that figure?

( the answer to this is really imortant, so listen carefully )

Seller - Well I paid 16000 for it new and I figure 8000 is a fair price.

(or)

Seller - I figure the boat is worth 5000 and the motor is worth 3000.

(either way)

Mac - Well the reason I ask is because I already have a motor. Would you consider selling me just the boat?

Seller - I really wanted to sell it as a package, but, yeah I could do that.

MAC - I could give you 4000 for the boat.

Seller - I figure it's worth 5000, and I still have to sell the motor.

Mac - yeah, but at least you can get the boat out of your driveway and your wife off your back, and put the motor in the garage while you sell it.

Seller - that's true, but I still figure it's worth 5000.

Mac - well my budget is kinda tight. What do you say we split the difference?

Seller - 4500?

MAC = yeah 4500 - CASH

Seller - ok

[macojoe]

Sounds like a deal to me!! Go for it!
Good luck

[Mac_Attack]

I only wish it was that easy. The couple that are selling the boat are expecting their first child and don't see a great need for the boat. They also expect to be moving away from Lake Erie and won't need such a large boat. I don't see them keeping the Force. If you listen to one guy on IBOATS forum he found his Forse in the ditch along side the road so why would any one want to buy one.
He wants to sell it. I'm interested but want to wait and give it an in water test. We'll see. Boat show season people will be looking to sell so they can pay for their new purchases. I've got boat fever real bad! Bill Mc

[macojoe]

Listen, I have had to friends that have gone the Force way and today they are both getting new motors!! One does not have the cash for anything great and is buying a 1980 Evenrude 150 for $1800 with all controls. The guy he is getting it from will not even take the force for parts!!

The other has been putting Hundreds after hundreds every year for the last 4 years and has had it!! He foud some one to give him $500 for a 1994 Force 150 and feels bad that he screwed the guy!!

You have heard from some people here, a mechainc you talked with, and many people from iboats.
What will it take to convince you that they are CRAP!!

I am sorry but if you buy this motor I wishlots of luck and my prays are with you.

[Mac_Attack]

Thanks Mac! I have the fever but I'm not delirious yet. *I won't rush in to it. *I'd like to go to Cleveland *and see it. *When you have the fever you have to be careful. *Getting back to the topic Models, if you go to NADA.com the boat section. They list for Wellcraft 1990 a 20' sport and a V20 stern drive. *Could the 20' sport be a V20. *There is quite a difference in the ave price between the two models. *Mac I'm like the old bull at the top of the hill, I'll walk down and get me a nice V20 or 21. *Bill Mc ;D


Mac, did you get the photos I sent you? Thought you might like the shark.

MAC,
It really could be that easy.
Let HIM SELL the force separately.

You need to find out what he thinks the force is worth. If he thinks it is worth much, and you can get the boat only - then you will get a great price on the boat. No need to convince him that the force is not a good motor.

On the other hand, if he doesn't think the force is worth much then you will probably have to take it with the boat, but you won't be paying much for the forve because you both agree the force isn't worth much. And if it is actually a good running motor you may be pleasantly surprised at what a bargain your cheap power was.

Last scenario, is if he thinks the force is worth much, and won't sell separately. This will be tough as you will have to convince him that it is not worth as much as he thinks it is. Show him the nada book value, for starters. Lack of available parts and authorized mechanics etc.

As for the hull, this is one you probably don't want to miss out on. Freshwater use only, short boating seasons and only been pushed around a lake by a force motor sounds like a real winner to this old salt.

I would be all over this in a new york minute, if I didn't have my v21!

If you wait till spring you will pay more. I would phisically check out the boat thoroughly, although I would be shocked if it wasn't in exceptional condition. Waiting for a sea trial in spring may add a grand to the price and what will it tell you?I assume you know how a v20 rides. If I was also taking the force for peanuts, I would be happy if it ran and I would run it untill it died and then repower.

I would much rather have a cherry 1990 with an almost free force or no motor for 4000 - 6000 than a 1996 v21 with a 1996 outboard that has been run hard in the ocean for the last 8 years for 17000.

If you dont agree then give me that boat and 12000 for my v21 and we'll call it even.

Whatever you decide, good luck! :)

[chumbucket]

Good sound advice. ;)

hey guys,
just a reminder.....i'm the guy who traded a harley davidson toolbox for a 71 v20 cc. with a 91 force 150 :-[ i have heard all the bad stuff about the force too, and it probaly true. but i have heard that there are a few good stories out there toooooo. well i talked to a guy who worked on force he worked at a marina that sold a ton of force motors, they sold bayliners. he said alot of the problem was the newbies that bought the cheap deals on boat motors and trailer package. they never owned a boat before. they never read the manual, or did any maintenance. which these motors need.
yes they are cheap motors, were made that way to keep the price down, but if the maintenance was done you have a very good chance that it will give you good service. as for how i feel about my force well time will tell. i feel the weak link on my deal is the motor only because of all the stories. would i buy a force motor on purpose? no way......... but i'm stuck with what i have. the one good thing the motor was rebuilt last spring.
well anyway i will be starting on the boat in the next week or so, my kid said it will be floating my april 1st. we will see. hope to have some pic. as we go along.
ken