Teen flips off judge

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

According to many in the south Florida latino community, adios IS a HUGE insult when having a conversation in english(espescially how she goes from the pissed off face to the giggly f--k you when she says adios). It is right up there f--k you, and is a blatant insult. And the constant fiddling with her hair is also a HUGE F--K you in there culture. It is one of those things that can look innocent, but to that area it is not. IMO the judge was more than patient with her, and after repeated times telling her to be serious she continued to be disrespectful to the courtroom. Here is the most compelete version of it I have found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLA7dQ-uxR0

And it seems the judge left an impression on her as she was MUCH more respectful when she returned to court.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNLcaL8a8ow

Ferm, that's really the first time I've ever heard that (the adios thing). I can tell you that we have a huge latino community around these parts, and I hear it being said all the time...however, to be fair, I'll ask several personal latino friends tomorrow about both the adios and the hair thing. Lets see what they say. Maybe it's a cultural thing.. say....Cuban vs Peurto Rico or something like that. If, indeed, it's an insult, then she crossed the line. period. But if it's an innocent thing, then I still believe that the judge crossed the line. Truth be told, I thought he was being flippant with his "bye-bye" comment, and that was before the girl responded with the "adios" ... so maybe she was retaliating? Who knows... In all cases I'm sure that she'll be wiser and more polite if she ever goes to court again...

Also, if you notice, in the latest video, after she goes back to court on the drug charges she is (a) respectful of the different judge, (b) has a (court appointed?) lawyer that's doing most of the talking, and (c) is still constantly fiddeling with her hair. It's obviously a nervious habit, and I'm sure that I can point to any one of a thousand girls in any school and find several that do the same thing. It may be disrespectful in some spanish communities, but in this case I think it's clearly just a nervous reaction.

[THEFERMANATOR]

It seems to be a Cuban/southern latino thing. my wife saw it and said she sees it at school quite a bit. I live in central Fl, but when she saw it she instantly started gasping. She said it is exactly what happens at school just before they throw down when they start with the hair, and then the adios will trigger it.

[Kracker Jack]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Kracker, I gotta disagree with you a bit. The "original" questions to her were answered respectfully. It is NOT a crime to laugh, either in court or in public. In fact, laughing is a known nervous response, and the kid was obviously nervous. She didn't say anything disrespectful to the judge origionally, and judging from the judges accent, he was of a spanish nationally. Adios just means goodbye... it's NOT disrespectful, and is a perfect response to a friendly "bye-bye" comment from the judge. The judge over reacted to double the bail amount. Then the girl crossed the line, I totally agree, but there is a ton of guilt on BOTH sides of that bench. Actually, I think the judge should be brought to account for his actions.

After watching the second video FERM posted its starting to become clearer that she was rolling her eyes,and being carefree and smiling while having a bond hearing for a drug possesion charge. I dont know what to say? if that was me on that tv my mother and father would wear my a$$ out for acting like that. I respect everyones opinions, i just dont think the little girl was being genuine and the judge felt the same way. I kinda think its funny how she got serious after he told her the bond had been increased she really snapped to attention then. She should have been paying attention like that the whole time. also the ***lry and vehicle question are to value her assets to set bond.here is a qoute from another web site, I couldnt say it better myself!!





I am perhaps in the minority here who thinks the judge's behavior was warranted by the situation, which is that the young woman was behaving as though the entire judicial process was a joke. She was being flippant (literally flipping her hair) and giggling, and when the judge said "it's not a joke....be serious about it," that should have been her cue to stop giggling and act sober. Instead, she came out with, "You just made me laugh!" and when asked about the dollar value of her ***elry assets, she instead said, "Like Rick Ross," referencing a rap star, and with more giggling.

The judge not only had reason at that point to be annoyed, but also to reaffirm to everybody else present that flippant behavior is not acceptable in court, a place where people's life fates are determined. He also had good reason to believe that she was currently on drugs (even though he asked and she denied it). Her demeanor at 1:17 of the video is completely that of somebody zonked on drugs -- nobody sober would ever move or make a face like that. Instead, the judge let her off the hook by setting a standard bond amount and dismissing her with a quick "bye bye."

The way she said "Adios" wasn't enough to be an insult on its own, but it was more like the final straw that broke the judge's desire to be lenient. The way she said "Adios" indicated that, at the end of it all, she still felt the entire thing was a joke and still had not taken his admonishments about being serious to heart. That's why he called her back.

I'd say he did her a favor. She needed a wake-up call. She's a cute young woman now, but what's she doing addicted to Xanax? What's going to happen to her in a few years if she keeps it up, or switches to meth?

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Kracker Jack

After watching the second video FERM posted its starting to become clearer that she was rolling her eyes,and being carefree and smiling while having a bond hearing for a drug possesion charge. I dont know what to say? if that was me on that tv my mother and father would wear my a$$ out for acting like that. I respect everyones opinions, i just dont think the little girl was being genuine and the judge felt the same way. I kinda think its funny how she got serious after he told her the bond had been increased she really snapped to attention then. She should have been paying attention like that the whole time. also the ***lry and vehicle question are to value her assets to set bond.here is a qoute from another web site, I couldnt say it better myself!!





I am perhaps in the minority here who thinks the judge's behavior was warranted by the situation, which is that the young woman was behaving as though the entire judicial process was a joke. She was being flippant (literally flipping her hair) and giggling, and when the judge said "it's not a joke....be serious about it," that should have been her cue to stop giggling and act sober. Instead, she came out with, "You just made me laugh!" and when asked about the dollar value of her ***elry assets, she instead said, "Like Rick Ross," referencing a rap star, and with more giggling.

The judge not only had reason at that point to be annoyed, but also to reaffirm to everybody else present that flippant behavior is not acceptable in court, a place where people's life fates are determined. He also had good reason to believe that she was currently on drugs (even though he asked and she denied it). Her demeanor at 1:17 of the video is completely that of somebody zonked on drugs -- nobody sober would ever move or make a face like that. Instead, the judge let her off the hook by setting a standard bond amount and dismissing her with a quick "bye bye."

The way she said "Adios" wasn't enough to be an insult on its own, but it was more like the final straw that broke the judge's desire to be lenient. The way she said "Adios" indicated that, at the end of it all, she still felt the entire thing was a joke and still had not taken his admonishments about being serious to heart. That's why he called her back.

I'd say he did her a favor. She needed a wake-up call. She's a cute young woman now, but what's she doing addicted to Xanax? What's going to happen to her in a few years if she keeps it up, or switches to meth?

I agree that everything that has been presented here is correct.... and yet, I still have a problem with this. Look, like everyone else here, I've done several "services to my community" as a juror. I've also sat on 2 grand juries, (including one Federal grand jury that ran for 18 months). Now it's true that you don't get to see actual cases as a grand juror, but you do as a juror. In all cases you get to see how people react in court to certain situations. To me, (and I conceed that I can be wrong) the girl was nervous. Did she act like a horses behind? yes. Did she get what she deserved for flipping off the judge? yes. Was the judge himself acting in an unprofessional manner? In part, yes. As soon as he crossed the line and gave that flippant "Bye-Bye" comment he crossed the boundry between professional and unprofessional. Just because he's a judge does not give him the right to cross the line. That's the part that bothers me. He must hold himself to the exact same standards that he expects from everyone that appears before him. Listen to his voice and the tone in his voice as he tells her "bye-bye". (Just the words themselves should be enough to make it understood that he's clearly being sarcastic and a bit condescending). He's supposed to be impartial to matters presented before him. He made it personal, and as soon as he did, that made his conduct unprofessional. A proper, professional dismissal would have been a simple "goodbye". To me her "adios" reply was perfectly appropriate. Stupid, but appropriate.

[RidgeRunner]

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/297...driguez-Chomat

All is better for Soto now. Judge dropped the Criminal Contempt charges after apology from girl. Judge did the right thing in the aftermath.

[smokeonthewater]

It is VERY clear to me that that judge reacted calmly and without emotion... He was looking out for her best interest.... She has obviously been failed by the other authority figures in her life and what he did for her was give her the spanking that she has desperately needed for most of her life.... She MAY have been on drugs but she was a little smartass and may be a better citizen if she is able to learn a little respect...... Yep adios at the end of a totally english conversation with a hispanic person is a way to call them out... raising bond is not much of a penalty... she only has to come up with what? 10%? ... that means she has to raise $500 instead of $250 when she claims her ***elry is "worth a lot of money"

She absolutely earned the contempt... she obviously decided to go toe to toe with him and needed to learn to never do that again....... His good intentions are proven by him dropping the contempt charge when she backs down and apologizes and I BET that the apology was his idea.

[smokeonthewater]

Bible says "spare the rod and spoil the child" He may possibly be the first worthy role model in her life.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by smokeonthewater

It is VERY clear to me that that judge reacted calmly and without emotion... He was looking out for her best interest.... She has obviously been failed by the other authority figures in her life and what he did for her was give her the spanking that she has desperately needed for most of her life.... She MAY have been on drugs but she was a little smartass and may be a better citizen if she is able to learn a little respect...... Yep adios at the end of a totally english conversation with a hispanic person is a way to call them out... raising bond is not much of a penalty... she only has to come up with what? 10%? ... that means she has to raise $500 instead of $250 when she claims her ***elry is "worth a lot of money"

She absolutely earned the contempt... she obviously decided to go toe to toe with him and needed to learn to never do that again....... His good intentions are proven by him dropping the contempt charge when she backs down and apologizes and I BET that the apology was his idea.

Smoke, I'm willing to bet that the apology was her lawyers idea and is the normal method of undoing contempt charges. I've seen it in at least 5 cases on jury duty. It's usually agreed to beforehand by the defendants lawyer and the judge, and the actual apology in court is just a formality. Still, it was good to see her sober and contrite. Maybe she's learned something. I certainly hope so.

Please read my comments again. Throughout this discussion I've never defended her actions for actually flipping the Judge the bird. It was wrong, she acted like a horse's a$$ for doing so and she deserved the punishment that the Judge rightfully threw at her. That's never been my point. I agree with everything that everybody has said regarding her conduct.

My point was the Judges conduct, and I still maintain that he acted unprofessionally when he said "Bye-Bye" to her in the manner and tone that he used. Again, I say that he must hold himself to the same high standards that he expects from anyone appearing before him, and it's obvious he didn't in this case. His comment instigated and illicited her adios comment. I think her adios comment was perfectly acceptable and not insulting in this instance.

As to your comment about a role model, since I don't know her parents or anything about them or her I can't comment on what kind of people or parents they are or have been.

Oh, and for anyone else that is reading this, as promised, I've asked several spanish ladies (including the 27 year old OMG fox that sits right next to me at work) if her adios comment was an insult. To a person they said that no, in the Spanish culture, it wasn't an insult, that Adios simply means "see you later" and is not an insult in any circumstances. So I don't know what to say about that.

[smokeonthewater]

Oh I wasn't trying to attack your position but just stating mine... I will mention tho that I generally work in texas and with more mexicans than whites... It isn't the word adios which does only mean goodbye, it is the throwing it in at the end of an english discussion...... Maybe she didn't know but I think she did because instead of asking "what did I do?" she went into battle mode..... I thought he was very tolerant and I saw his "bye bye" as friendly.... Just my opinion tho... I don't think you are wrong... We are both guessing...

If this was cut and dried simple it wouldn't have gone viral

[aussie]

you guys are joking rite

RESPECT

I have watch this clip serval times and now this is how it is

The girl does not no the meaning of respect. the judge gave her what she deseved for thinking the courts,the judge and the law is a joke and a place to have fun

your slang and words are all diiferent over there

Do people in mass at church accept someone acting like her No

We have a big problem with the young generation they dont know what respect is

Stop making excuses for this this girl-- if it was some young guy dressed in hood gear it wouldnt of even made the papers it only has because its a young girl

the first time i went to court i couldnt even keep my head up or look at the judge because i felt like a looser. today its a joke to them

STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE YOUNG GENERATION AND OUR KIDS WHEN THEY F--K UP--FOR THIS REASON THEY ARE THE WAY THEY ARE TODAY--WE ALL HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE THATS THE LAW