Poster Boy Goes to the Bank

[Destroyer]

The following is the actual quote from Obama with regards to how he views the Constitution of the United States:

"If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be OK. But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.
And that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that."

Read the red highlighted sections, then read them again and again. In those brief sentences we see, clearly, that Obama thinks that the Constitution is NOT a document giving the people certain rights, but rather it is a document the PREVENTS the government from doing certain things to the people. Quote "the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties." Unquote. This is a man that thinks it's perfectly ok and in fact, desireable, for the government to steal your money and give it to other people, in the name of redistributive wealth.. or put simply, take from the rich and give to the poor...(or anyone else that he decides can use your money better than you can.)
He is a Socialist/Communist through and through, and is trying with all his might to transform our Country into another ?what? Cuba? Russia?. He really believes that we, the people, are only here to serve the government, and he has, by executive orders, already taken away many of our freedoms. Don't believe it? Do your homework. Look at what the government now has control of since his election. Start with the tiny thing like offshore fishing bans. Then look at what he's done to the farmers, telling them what they can and cannot plant, then look at the banks, then industry, etc etc. He's moving the government into a position where they control us completely, where we have to be dependant on them for our daily crumbs of bread, and all the while they live high on the hog with our money. This traitor must go.
I'm 100% with Willy on this one... I don't care if it's Satan himself, I'll vote for whoever is running against that lying, traitorous excuse for a president that's in the white house right now.

[reelapeelin]

What I'm saying is it doesn't matter if there is a Socialist or a Constitutionalist in the White House, every seat in Congress and even every bench of the judiciary...it simply doesn't matter...the grape juice being sold from both sides of the aisle is formulated to keep all of us divided...if our attention is diverted to the discussion and arguing of partisan ideology, THEY get to raid the coffers all they want...nobody's watching the true theft of our rights, money and lifestyle while we're fighting each other...what's wrong w/America AIN'T POLITICS...has NOTHING to do w/Socialism, The Constitution or any of that...drink the partisan grape juice if you wanna...it ain't gonna solve anything...only prolong the parasitic death of our freedom.

Like I said...gimme a valid candidate that deserves my vote and I'll RUSH to the polls to unseat Barack...but I won't vote for Newt Gingrich aka the Insider's Poster Boy...I will vote against him.

[bradford]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

In those brief sentences we see, clearly, that Obama thinks that the Constitution is NOT a document giving the people certain rights, but rather it is a document the PREVENTS the government from doing certain things to the people.

I don't care if it's Satan himself, I'll vote for whoever is running against that lying, traitorous excuse for a president that's in the white house right now.

Not picking a fight, just making a point. The constitution does not give me any rights whatsoever, my rights are given to me from God. The constitution is the government's agreement to not take away certain rights. People all the time like to say "I have a constitutional right...!" I'd much rather have my rights granted from my Creator than a bunch of politicians, founding fathers or not. Same way with the term "civil rights". These are rights granted by the people to other people. The people can stick the civil rights they grant me where the sun don't shine. I have my God given natural rights which include the right to use necessary force to defend myself and my rights. The government sometimes likes to disagree about this and envokes tyranny to a certain degree or another to keep us from feeling too empowered with our God given natural rights. Don't give the tyrants any more credit than what they deserve. The government has what we allow them to have or what they steal from us.

Ted Nugent touches on this subject in the first couple of minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/v/T_QjEL0uUgo...</param><param
Too bad he supports the NRA which disagrees with his position.

I know you're probably joking, but don't vote for Satan, it's all coming down to the forces of good vs evil in the end anyway. No sense in giving them a leg up on us.

[willy]

Oz I think you are villifying Newt more than appropriate, JMHO, Newt is not my first choice obviously, as a matter of fact you need to be aware that he is not the DemoSocialist Party or the Republican RINO's either, both groups are going after him with a vengenance.
They are very upset with the People choosing him over their choice Romney.
As a matter of fact many of the so called Conservative Commentators are going after him as they know he will make major substantive changes in D.C and they do not want there big government power affected.
I know he has baggage and i know when he got out of office as a private citizen he and his company went to work for agencies I and many conservatives detest.
None of that stuff happened when he was in office, even the dem's went after him on a witch hunt trying to charge him with ethics violations, but even those dem's had to admit there was no ethics violation except some bullsh!t charge that they fined him and then the IRS came back and said there was nothing illegal.
Is he the best out there, h@ll no.
But if the people select him as their candidate after all this vetting has been going on, if the people selct him in the primaries he is going to get my vote.
If they select Romney, or Bachman, or Santorum, or Paul I am going with what the people select and get rid of this sh!t that is there now.
And you are dead wrong my friend on the dangers of a Socialist Potus, and you are most definetly wrong if we end up with an economic collapse during his reign, he will use the situation to steal power under emergency executive orders to do what the h@ll he wants.
many believe that has actually been the plan based on his actions this whole time.
Voting for him is as dangerous as it gets.

[reelapeelin]

Friend Willy...roll out all the scare tactics you want...about what WILL happen if...what's gonna happen if that...the lobbyists and influence peddlers are destroying our gov't from the inside out RIGHT NOW...and Newt has proven he's running the milk route on the inside track...1.2 million from Fannie Mae during the years they were raping mortgage holders, falsifying documents and convincing people who should never have had a house that they could own one...there's Newt right in the middle w/his pockets open and hand out and you tell me I am villifying him...you have always been the jokester, but THAT'S a REEL knee-slapper there old buddy...Newt's as nasty as they get and for you to defend him even mildly says to me you are ready to have the wool of partisan politics pulled over your eys and follow the party line, right or wrong...even at the expense of the good of this country...a vote for Newt says you are perfectly OK with and that you condone corruption in our gov't to the level it undercuts the power of the people of this country to determine their own destiny. Obama's not the answer, no doubt about that, but the problems he carries are miniscule beside the insiders on the take negating our liberties and freedoms as Americans...the reason nobody w/any credibility will run for office is they know how corrupt it is and do not want to lay down in that filth...as long as we let the rats run loose on the ship, nobody wants onboard...Colin Powell is a good example...1st order of business is to get the rats off...then you and I can talk about which way to take the ship...till then discussing direction is pretty pointless...No Newt is good Newt.

[willy]

Let me just say my friend I have no illusions about Newt being hired after he was out of office for what I call lobbying even though he says he was an advisor, I already stated that pretty clearly.
I also stated pretty clearly if the people nominate him after seeing all his baggage then he is going to get my support in a big way.
Whoever is the nominee of the People is going to get that support.
Now lets talk about that Partisan Wool over the eye's for a moment.
In spite of being warned by many of the Obaminations intention to turn our Nation into a socialist style state, which he very clearly stated many times, on video no less, inspite of being warned about his collection of corrupt chicago thugs and how he did his corrupt chicago crap while he was in politics there. In spite of being warned about his strong connections to literally murderous terrorists which he is still associated with, his connection to Clowerd and Piven and there plan to turn our country into a socialist/progressive nation using unions as their army, in spite of the Obamination literally saying he intends to redistribute our peoples wealth as he see's fit.
You voted for him
And now when everything you were warned about has come true, he has done all these things or is still in progress of doing these things, in spite of he taking corruption and graft to new levels never seen before in the world, only being thwarted so far by the People rising up in the 2010 elections and kicking the low lifes out of office that were supporting him in the biggest landslide mid term elections in our history, which was done by a large majority of independents who saw the huge error they had made in electing him. Even my devout liberal brain dead sister knows he lied to them all and needs to be removed.
You stated just before this post that you would vote for him again !
My friend if there is wool in the lashes of anyone, it is not me.
I did not make the error the first time, I certainly would not make the GRAVE ERROR of doing it again.

[Destroyer]

I tend to be a middle of the road, try to see both sides of a discussion, type of person. It's very easy in a discussion of this type to loose one's objectivity and just blindly try and convince the other person of the correctness of your side of the issue.

So that being said, I'm trying to look at both sides of what has evolved into Reel's and Willy's discussion.

I believe that what Reel is trying to say is that Obama is a known quanity and that pretty much anyone else that runs against him is just going to be an insider also, so it really doesn't matter who it is, it's still just going to be more of the same. Just the names will have changed.

And I think what Willy is trying to say is that anyone, no matter if they are an insider or not, will be better than Obama, because of his Socialism desires for our Country.

I love this Country. It's not the most perfect, not the biggest, not the best in a lot of ways. But people are still risking their lives to come here, so we must be doing something right. If we allow our Country to become a Communist state, like Russia, then we loose all of it. All our freedoms will be gone. No matter if those freedoms are given to us by God, or by man, make no mistake, they will be gone. No freedom of worship. No freedom of speach. No freedom of assembly, No freedom to own property. Indeed, no freedom to live except under the thumb of a dictator. No elections, no changing the way we live... NOTHING except what the state wants you to have... which will be only enough to keep you alive while they suck you dry of everything you own. And if you object, they will simply kill you and make you an example and a warning to everyone else.

Now, you all have a choice in 2012. You can vote for more of the same, which will most certainly result inthe nightmare that I just described.
or
you can vote for whoever else it is that runs against the would be 1st dictator of America.

To be certain, that person may very well be flawed in ways that some people won't like. He or she may be an insider themselves. But don't you see???....we really don't have the luxury of waiting for the perfect candidate to come along!!! This is IT!!. This election is our last and only chance to start changing things! As long as they are not an avowed Socialist like Obama I say vote for them. We know that if we keep Obama we will loose our Country. So to me, I think that this is one case where we know very well the Devil we already have vs an unknown, possible devil... but also possibly someone that may actually start turning the Country around.

So my vote will go for whoever is running against Obama... Personally I hope it's Bachmann, but I'll take anyone over our present president

[THEFERMANATOR]

You know, BGA posted this video last election go round and I think it is just as true for this one as teh last one if not more so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kQxnut5RVw

[willy]

My friend, I may not be as blatant as you have been in the possibilities that may befall us, but i do believe our children, our decedents will hold us responsible for where our country leads.
I have hoped for a virgin candidate, none that are electable have come forward.
Some of the better candidates will not run as they have decided for personal and family reasons not to immerse themselves in our gigantic federal governments ploys.
I don't think I can blame them, Governor Mitch Daniels for one.
I do not portend to have answers beyond my mere opinions based on a life time of observation, but i do know this.
Our Nation is at a cross roads, for several decades a movement that calls itself the Progressive Movement has sought to eliminate a little at a time the guarantees of our Constitution and to institute a progressive socialist Nation..
Obama is the fruit of that movement and many otherwise good intentioned and intelligent people, such as my dear friend Ozzie have fallen into this trap.
I love the guy, plain and simple and if he needed a friend at his house tomorrow I would drop everything I have going on to be there for him for as long as he needed.
Plain and simple no questions asked.
But many people who are absolutely sickened by what are government has become do not see the forest through the trees.
I am not rosey eyed over Gingrich, nor Bachman, Santorum, Perry or Paul.
All of them have problems in my mind, and as is the norm I will have to vote knowing this.
That being said, I know that the single biggest mistake our Nation can possibly make is re-electing this Marxist.
Period.
I intend to do the best I can to ensure my kids have a free America to live in, and I will not be a party to electing this Socialist/marxist/progressive into office again.
Therefore, whoever the people decide in voting in the primaries is to be the candidate will get my support and vote.
In my opinion, doing anything else is selling your children and their future down the crapper.

[reelapeelin]

I too would be on your doorstep tomorrow if needed...only take one call, I'm there...that's one aspect that makes this discussion what it is...sincere from both sides...

You keep makin' it about politics and what might happen down the road...I suppose that's because the intent of this thread from the start was to expose a corrupt politician, who through his actions that I think should be criminalized, is operating under the banner of the GOP...had Newt been a Democrat, you'd have clicked on the "applause" icon about 10 times and that would be the end of it.

I opened this thread to shine light on the actions of a guy who is as greedy and corrupt as they come, who wants to be POTUS to elevate his misdeeds and money gathering...which behavior you seem to think he will discontinue once elected...I think that's about as unlikely as an an addict suddenly pulling the needle from his arm and developing a desire for lemonade...

The sad truth is, no matter who gets to the White House next, we are screwed...either from the right or the left, we the people gonna get it up the pooper...nobody has voted yet....the polls haven't opened...your boogey man is socialism and that it might happen...mine is criminality and what IS happening...you wanna argue politics and I wanna expose improper behavior that we may never run out of our government...and obviously we'll never convince ea/other who's point is the bigger threat...I know...let's go fishin' instead...at least we've been thinking...