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[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by willy

While in general I think you are right Oz, but if you are throwing the baby out with the bath water that ain't to bright either.
We have a bunch of Tea Party congressmen and senators, and we desperately need more.
Getting rid of what we have been able to get accomplished against the tide in Washington because they have been there four or six years without an evaluation of what they are trying to do, or have done makes zero sense to me.
I think a Constitutional Amendment to restrict politicians to two terms period is a good way to go, but like I said above keep an eye on the baby!

There's no question we need to cut spending and balance the budget...but if you just suddenly jerk the rug from under a LARGE population this government has conditioned over many years, number 1 it ain't right and number 2 it'll probably set off riots coast to coast...it's gotta be ratcheted down...you can't just drop folks off in the street and tell 'em sink or swim...if for no other reason the children are always the most hurt...and the most innocent...I fully agree with and support getting back to the fiscal responsibility that Geo W Bush pi$$ed down the drain, killed 5,000 of our soldiers and didn't have the balls to even put the cost on the books, but it doesn't have to be done like barbarians run amuck...I won't support that..

Two terms MAX sounds good, but then they'll just run for another office...so we gotta look at that too...

[willy]

While I will leave the discussion of your rant on Bush to another day so as to not get off point I will say that his transgressions pale in comparison to the monster in office now.

Now, while no one is advocating leaving women and children to starve in the streets, and I think you know that, we cannot even get the demo/socialist party to agree to make cuts to the RATE of growth for future budgets.
Thats how lost they are in their agenda.
Now, anyone who believes we cannot reduce our budget just to 2008 levels without inflicting great harm on society is not really thinking. Period.
Anyone who cannot see that we have created a dependent society (almost 50% ) intentionally in America is also not thinking.
We know financially we cannot sustain our debt growth, period.
We know that our government has already gone to the tax rates that are literally revolutionary confiscatory.
We know that to tax our businesses and our productive people anymore will destroy our economy and reduce the tax revenue's to the government.
We already know that the top ten percent are paying almost 70% of all the federal tax bills to date.
WE know that 47% of Americans pay ZERO federal income taxes.
We also know that our economy which is being controlled by out of control federal central planning is failing in every measure available.
These are policies of socialism, there literally destroying our Nation.
Every working American knows this. What the h@ll, I am going into massive debt getting my four kids through college and trying to keep myself from being killed. Between federal state and local taxes I am paying over 50% of what I make in taxes. That is not counting sales taxes mv registrations insurances I am required to pay for.
But if you are on welfare, if you are an illegal alien, you get a free ride to college.
We have families in the black community who consider the big bread winner in the family the teen age daughter who has six kids from multiple un-named fathers.
We have states that are so far in massive debt due to politician/union cronyism that they will very shortly coming to the federal government to be bailed out by U.S citizens. California and Michigan likely being first in line.
These are the results of decades of left wing engineering, left wing cronyism and there literally is no place in America for anyone supporting these policies that believes in America.
It is killing us.
That is why the Obamination's Campaign Chief stated they have given up on white working class Americans.
Sinful.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by willy

These are the results of decades of left wing engineering, left wing cronyism and there literally is no place in America for anyone supporting these policies that believes in America.
It is killing us.
That is why the Obamination's Campaign Chief stated they have given up on white working class Americans.
Sinful.

Decades of Left Wing engineering...hmmm...where was the GOP during all those decades?...did they step out for a SMOKE?....that single point should tell you the individuals we've sent to represent us on BOTH sides of the aisle AIN'T GETTIN it done...why?...cuz they are all there to stuff their pockets...THATS the underlying, root cause of all the problems we got...till we address this and FIX it, all this partisan bickering is pi$$ing in the ocean...for THEIR benefit and OUR loss...

[macojoe]

Not that I vote or anything but just going to predict, 4 more years! Cause Romney is not the guy!! And there isn't anyone else out there, so get use to it!

[RidgeRunner]

I agree with one thing, the argument over who's fault it is. It is all our faults.. Dysfunctional government has been around for as long as I can remember, the party in charge seems to matter not.
GWB started the bailouts much to my chagrin.. I think Paulson was the primary motivator on that one. He scared the crap out of the banks and Congress. The FED is a huge problem in my eyes so are the profiteers on wallstreet, but that is another discussion.

Wellfare- If you need assistance so you can get on your feet I am all for it, but we the working class cannot support the growing line of lifelong wellfare recipients. Nor should anyone who is receiving assistance for 12 consecutive months be allowed to vote, it is a conflict of interest.

Nationwide reforendum on a couple of common sense solutions to problems. Force every member of Congress to pay for their own insurance and go to my doctor where I have to go and see how they like it, or better yet force them into Obamacare!! Force Congress be paid from the same account as Social Security. The only way they could get a check is after Social Security, Wellfare, Medicare, Medicaid, and all social services are funded every month. Require the president to put forth a budget and hold his feet to the fire, then make it a law that Congress follows through with a balanced budget. Period!
Put an end to million dollar campaign contributions and all of the back-alley deals with special interest groups. "Moonlighting" should not be allowed. Then perhaps they could concentrate on something that matters to me.. Not gay rights, amnesty, or debt forgiveness for my neighbors.. If your gay, you have every right to be as gay as you want to be without special laws for your unnatural sexual orientation/choice. Gays have cost countless dollars in their quest for Federal recognition. All they really want is to be able to wed?? so they can receive the benefits that couples are entitled to?? JFC go ahead and give it to them, I can be conservative with fiscal policy and comfortable enough with my sexuality to handle if Fred and Jerry want to get married, WTF!! Stop spending money on it... That shouldn't be the platform elections are made of.
Next census taken will ask your name social and BMI. I disagree with the BS but know what is coming. Better drop a few pounds before I get taxed for my obesity...

[willy]

I understand the doubts about the election in November.
I have some myself, but I know this election will decide the fate of our nation and I know in my heart that the people will change the course.
Obamination is going to be defeated and I would say by a pretty good margin.
And MJ, your not voting and others like you are the reason I have my doubts.
Get off your butt get down to the booth and pull a lever for crying out loud.
Sitting on the side lines and letting sh!t happen to you is one thing. Letting sh!t happen to your Nation is another.
JMHO

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by RidgeRunner

I agree with one thing, the argument over who's fault it is. It is all our faults.. Dysfunctional government has been around for as long as I can remember, the party in charge seems to matter not.
GWB started the bailouts much to my chagrin.. I think Paulson was the primary motivator on that one. He scared the crap out of the banks and Congress. The FED is a huge problem in my eyes so are the profiteers on wallstreet, but that is another discussion.

Wellfare- If you need assistance so you can get on your feet I am all for it, but we the working class cannot support the growing line of lifelong wellfare recipients. Nor should anyone who is receiving assistance for 12 consecutive months be allowed to vote, it is a conflict of interest.

Nationwide reforendum on a couple of common sense solutions to problems. Force every member of Congress to pay for their own insurance and go to my doctor where I have to go and see how they like it, or better yet force them into Obamacare!! Force Congress be paid from the same account as Social Security. The only way they could get a check is after Social Security, Wellfare, Medicare, Medicaid, and all social services are funded every month. Require the president to put forth a budget and hold his feet to the fire, then make it a law that Congress follows through with a balanced budget. Period!
Put an end to million dollar campaign contributions and all of the back-alley deals with special interest groups. "Moonlighting" should not be allowed. Then perhaps they could concentrate on something that matters to me.. Not gay rights, amnesty, or debt forgiveness for my neighbors.. If your gay, you have every right to be as gay as you want to be without special laws for your unnatural sexual orientation/choice. Gays have cost countless dollars in their quest for Federal recognition. All they really want is to be able to wed?? so they can receive the benefits that couples are entitled to?? JFC go ahead and give it to them, I can be conservative with fiscal policy and comfortable enough with my sexuality to handle if Fred and Jerry want to get married, WTF!! Stop spending money on it... That shouldn't be the platform elections are made of.
Next census taken will ask your name social and BMI. I disagree with the BS but know what is coming. Better drop a few pounds before I get taxed for my obesity...

Well said top to bottom...I have grown up a lot since the old days of jokes about blacks and gays...all the noise and money wasted is never going to change either....fight it all you want, it is a fact of life the government has no place in being judgemental about...that is not government's function...if two people wanna marry, issue the certificate and collect the fee...JEEZ.

Campaign reform MUST happen...the cost of elections and re elections has gone NUTS...and as they are now, can only end in elected politicians OWING SOMEBODY...

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by willy

I understand the doubts about the election in November.
I have some myself, but I know this election will decide the fate of our nation and I know in my heart that the people will change the course.
Obamination is going to be defeated and I would say by a pretty good margin.
And MJ, your not voting and others like you are the reason I have my doubts.
Get off your butt get down to the booth and pull a lever for crying out loud.
Sitting on the side lines and letting sh!t happen to you is one thing. Letting sh!t happen to your Nation is another.
JMHO

Joe I wouldn't jump up and get into too big a hurry to get to the polls...as long as the corporations and special interests are running this country, using elected officials to do their bidding...hiding behind the veil of partisan politics, it doesn't matter who's name is over the door anyway...only when we get money out of politics will we have our country back again...

As long as their vote is For Sale...our vote is worthless...every one of us should take to the streets til it's changed...

[willy]

Not good Oz, as long as men of good conscience sit on the side lines we will continue having the problems you describe.
It is the apathy of many in this country that has allowed us to fall into this precipice.
No one is going to come and hand you a government of good people, those irresponsible politicians are not going to defeat themselves.
You have to stand up and be counted. You have to stand on the principles of reducing government and its failings.
Complaining about it solves nothing. Find a Tea party Candidate you like and help him or her get elected to the senate in your state. A Congressman, a Governor, take affirmative action to advance what you believe in, be a part of the solution. At very least take ten minutes of your day and vote.
Otherwise you end up being the problem.

[Destroyer]

Anyone that thinks that their single vote doesn't count has never been in bed with a single mosquito in the room.

You CANNOT just take to the streets.. that's exactly what they want you to do. They have all the good guns, and if a few hundred people die so they can declare martial law and take away ALL our freedoms in the name of perserving peace in the nation, you can bet they will do it. It's a very short step on a very slippery slope from there to a complete socialist dictatorship led country. Just look at Venezuela as a prime example of that course of action.

You MUST vote... less than that and you are doing a diservice to yourself and your Country. Truthfully, I'd rather have someone tell me they voted for the P.O.S. that's sitting in the presidency right now then tell me they didn't care enough about their Country to at least vote.