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 SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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			There are already laws in place that prohibit minors, the mentally incompetent and criminals form possessing firearms. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			NOW this is a bill designed to make law abiding citizens ALLOWED to posses a firearm. 
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			thats pretty much what it comes down to, they should concentrate on making the penalties harsher for those who break the law than for those who abide. i cant wait untill i need a liscense for my fishing reels and poles.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			You're right Tsubaki that it is the gunowner, and not the gun, which needs the license.  I presume, however, that the gunowner would need a license for each qualifying firearm as defined in the act.  I am not a gunowner (although I have no beef with law abiding persons owning guns whatsoever), so I am confused as to what qualifies as a qualifying firearm.  The handgun part I understand, but the other part, i.e. "(ii) any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition feeding device", means nothing to me.  Is the bill only aimed at machine gun type weapons or is the definition much broader?  Would the definition apply to common hunting rifles and shotguns?   
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Curious as to what you folks think of lawsuits against the gun manufacturers. The City of Gary, Indiana recently sued gunmakers, and the suit survived a Motion to Dismiss. Gary is or used to be the "murder capitol of the United States", and I guess the powers that be in Gary partially blame the gun manufacturers. I, personally, think the lawsuit is BS  | 
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			it seems that they would consider all guns with detetchable mags, even hunting rifles. keep in mind that a .308 caliber in an AR-15 platform makes for a popular hunting arm.  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	With the lawsuit it shows that people do not accept personal responsibilty for anything there. Why dont they sue car companies and fast food restauraunts in the city. It comes down to the fact that no one owns up anymore and that everyone else is to blame.  | 
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			In most EVERY instance this bill applies to every gun owner. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			First, ANY pistol. Then ANY detachable magazine. This includes squirrel hunting rimfires to turkey shotguns to elephant killing firearms. The term "antique" doesn't apply to stuff over 20 years old, like automobiles. Problematically "antique" will refer to reproductions of firearms made in the 1800's or newer, made this year (2009) that are capable of the same rounds per minute of "modern" firearms. And lets not get into antique pistols, "it's an antique" but "it's a pistol". Machine guns are (have been since the 1930's) already regulated out of the general populations availability. Read the bill, it sounds great to someone with no idea of the design of the Constitution. This bill would require you to be qualified to be licensed to own a firearm (in actually 2 of the 4 types ever developed) which currently is guaranteed in the second amendment. You MUST be disqualified for possession of a firearm NOT qualified. Meaning by today's standards, underage, mentally incompetent or a criminal. 
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			'75 Cuddy with '00 Johnson Ocean Pro 150 horse Benny Last edited by tsubaki; 02-04-2009 at 05:12 PM.  | 
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			This is exactly what many were promised (Brady Foundation, The United Nations Universal Gun Ban, a dozen other Socialist and extreme liberal organizations)  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			The title of this post is spot on, this man is a socialist, he follows a completely socialist agenda and the nation of our fore fathers and the liberties they fought for are in complete jepoardy. This is not about change, this is not about democrat vs republican, this is about American vs socialist. People need to see this for what it is Thats all I am going to say about it, I am disgusted with what we have allowed to happen and can't do more than vote and call my Peoples Republic of NJ senators and congressmen, who are some of his most ardent suck arses. God help us all. 
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			Reading the bill further, this will prohibit anyone under the age of 18 to even possess a firearm. I know we're real backwoods in Georgia but many girls and boys under the age of 18 do hunt and target practice here.  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			Currently in this state anyone under 15 may not be in possession unless in direct supervision of an adult. 16 to 18 years old (you can drive an automobile), if in possession of a firearm, you must be engaged and in route to a firearms type event (hunting, target practice, etc). This bill clearly states no one under 18 will be licensed or may possess a firearm. And my whole ***** about this thing is, now I would be required to apply for a license to be able to carry out my SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. **** it, lets let them work on the First Amendment. You think MJ is a dictating overlord?? And in my ignorance, I only posted 3 of the 9 chapters of this bill. Do go to the site and feel free to read more, it gets even better.............................. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45: 
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			'75 Cuddy with '00 Johnson Ocean Pro 150 horse Benny Last edited by tsubaki; 02-05-2009 at 08:54 AM.  | 
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			Willy, this is not Obama's bill.  He did not write it.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			From what I can tell there is a lot of opposition to this.  I'm going to say this bill will go up in flames (along with the author).   Or lets at least hope it does.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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