Trumps accounting firm quits

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

Predictably, here comes bgreene with his signature dishonest non-response. A reasonable person reading my post wouldn’t find a hint of any kind of excuse, only facts, and an admonition to actually wait and see what actually comes of the allegations.

We know that there have been a plethora of false allegations against Trump, so it’s foolish to jump to conviction at the first accusations. It’s not driven by facts or reason, just a childish, gleeful delight in ANYTHING that even MIGHT be something negative about him.

My confirmation bias, along with decades of observation of her behavior, incline me to believe that Hillary is in fact guilty of having operatives actually hack into the Trump Tower servers, but not being a fool, I will wait to see what comes of the investigation. I just hope there is a fair and honest investigation done.

More conspiracy theories from scook now with Hillary Clinton thrown in.

[bgreene]

You should note scook

…”Nowhere in Durham's filing did prosecutors say that the effort was directed by or involved the Clinton campaign, that any of the alleged gathering of data took place after Trump had taken office, or that any of the alleged conduct -- even if it took place -- was illegal.”

[scook]

Reading really is a challenge for you.

I didn’t suggest that this particular activity took place after he was in office. There was plenty of other dishonest anti-Trump activity while he was in office.

I said that, unlike you, while I’m inclined to believe that Hillary is behind the hacking into Trump Tower servers, unlike you, I’m willing to wait and see where the investigation goes. Honest, competent investigations tend to uncover additional facts and connections.

It is only in your imagination that you find anything like a conspiracy theory in my post and you should really be able to identify one, you being the undisputed champion of conspiracy theories, with your preposterous Trump - Nazi narrative.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

Reading really is a challenge for you.

I didn’t suggest that this particular activity took place after he was in office. There was plenty of other dishonest anti-Trump activity while he was in office.

I said that, unlike you, while I’m inclined to believe that Hillary is behind the hacking into Trump Tower servers, unlike you, I’m willing to wait and see where the investigation goes. Honest, competent investigations tend to uncover additional facts and connections.

It is only in your imagination that you find anything like a conspiracy theory in my post and you should really be able to identify one, you being the undisputed champion of conspiracy theories, with your preposterous Trump - Nazi narrative.

Scooks comments about me on just this one thread …..as example
“ reading is a challenge for me”.
“ only in my imagination”
“ my preposterous trump- nazi narrative “

Regarding the trump-nazi comparative, the similarity that I pointed out is correct:
1. Grandstand about nationalism through powerful speeches
2. Define a so called enemy and connect it with stirring up agitation
3. Keep repeating lies and blame to gain power associated with nationalism
4. Once in power eliminate non supporters

Trump plays this method very effectively and is an excellent speaker.
Trump is street smart and stated “ he believes he could shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it.” Trump is very aware of his ability to con the masses.
Fortunately many of us FACT CHECK and do not follow blindly.

[scook]

Similarity of rhetorical style - yes, to a very limited point.

Some things you consistently ignore:

We are not subject to the kind of overly oppressive situation Germany found itself in, being punished for its WWI criminal behavior.

We have structural, constitutional safeguards, which have been very effectively employed (in many cases, dishonestly) against Trump to date and are easily capable of preventing the Nazi narrative you espouse.

You completely ignore the serious threat and significant progress that the left has made, doing exactly what you accuse Trump of doing. Using victim grievance and extremely racist claims of racism, among other things, in lieu of nationalistic speeches, they have and continue to consolidate power on the far left. They are flooding us with uncontrolled, un-vetted immigrants, eroding simple rights and freedoms, forcing their destructive narrative down the throats of our students, cancelling dissenting voices, censoring media, etc. They are actually doing what you speculatively accuse Trump of “wanting” to do.

Does there need to be push back when big business abuses its power, yes - do we need ANTIFA and BLM anarchists and wildly “tear it all down and replace it with, well shucks we don’t know what”, absolutely not. Do we need sustained lawless destruction and DA’s who prosecute police officers for doing their jobs, but not criminal thugs, absolutely not.

Please WAKE UP.

[Pipe_Dream]

Originally Posted by scook

Similarity of rhetorical style - yes, to a very limited point.

Some things you consistently ignore:

We are not subject to the kind of overly oppressive situation Germany found itself in, being punished for its WWI criminal behavior.

We have structural, constitutional safeguards, which have been very effectively employed (in many cases, dishonestly) against Trump to date and are easily capable of preventing the Nazi narrative you espouse.

You completely ignore the serious threat and significant progress that the left has made, doing exactly what you accuse Trump of doing. Using victim grievance and extremely racist claims of racism, among other things, in lieu of nationalistic speeches, they have and continue to consolidate power on the far left. They are flooding us with uncontrolled, un-vetted immigrants, eroding simple rights and freedoms, forcing their destructive narrative down the throats of our students, cancelling dissenting voices, censoring media, etc. They are actually doing what you speculatively accuse Trump of ***8220;wanting***8221; to do.

Does there need to be push back when big business abuses its power, yes - do we need ANTIFA and BLM anarchists and wildly ***8220;tear it all down and replace it with, well shucks we don***8217;t know what***8221;, absolutely not. Do we need sustained lawless destruction and DA***8217;s who prosecute police officers for doing their jobs, but not criminal thugs, absolutely not.

Please WAKE UP.

He never will. CNNMSNBCABCCBSNBCWAPONYT have scrambled his brain. But I applaud your efforts as you've brought a calm and factual approach to the forum, which he obviously can't deal with as evidenced by him attacking you.




(bgreene tries to discredit me with some drooling dream he had about the National Enquirer in 3...2...1...)

[scook]

Thanks Pipe - unfortunately, it seems you are exactly right.

I loved the Donaldo Trumpo clip.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

Similarity of rhetorical style - yes, to a very limited point.

Some things you consistently ignore:

We are not subject to the kind of overly oppressive situation Germany found itself in, being punished for its WWI criminal behavior.

We have structural, constitutional safeguards, which have been very effectively employed (in many cases, dishonestly) against Trump to date and are easily capable of preventing the Nazi narrative you espouse.

You completely ignore the serious threat and significant progress that the left has made, doing exactly what you accuse Trump of doing. Using victim grievance and extremely racist claims of racism, among other things, in lieu of nationalistic speeches, they have and continue to consolidate power on the far left. They are flooding us with uncontrolled, un-vetted immigrants, eroding simple rights and freedoms, forcing their destructive narrative down the throats of our students, cancelling dissenting voices, censoring media, etc. They are actually doing what you speculatively accuse Trump of “wanting” to do.

Does there need to be push back when big business abuses its power, yes - do we need ANTIFA and BLM anarchists and wildly “tear it all down and replace it with, well shucks we don’t know what”, absolutely not. Do we need sustained lawless destruction and DA’s who prosecute police officers for doing their jobs, but not criminal thugs, absolutely not.

Please WAKE UP.

No Scook - you wake up ….

It was RIGHT WING TRUMP supporters who…..attacked our Capitol, police, and threatened to hang our Vice President.
It’s Republican TRUMP who FALSY CLAIMS he won the election .
It’s Republican TRUMP who FALSY CLAMIED Pence had authority to deny the election result .
It’s REPUBLICANS that are trying so hard to minimize the reality of the attack on our Capitol.
It’s REPUBLICANS such as Mitch McConnell now speaking up against the lies of Trump.

It WAS NOT Democrats, tree loving environmentalists, or any other so called Leftists that smashed into our Capitol and pose threat to undermine our democracy and destroy our system of fair elections.

So go ahead with the others posting “ mutual admiration ignorance “conspiracy theories ….

[scook]

I haven’t seen anyone here disputing that the small percentage of the huge demonstration who broke in AND were violent were extreme right wing supporters of Trump. Them saying that he “told them to do it” isn’t borne out, listening to any of his speeches or any other evidence.

A difference of opinion, even if one party is wrong, if it is believed, isn’t a LIE, it’s a difference of opinion.

It WAS far left goons who did massive damage to our country, far, far, far in excess of anything that happened at the capitol, over a long period, permissioned to this day by far left DA’s. If you think the violence at the capitol, while foolish and destructive had the remotest probability of ultimate success, which it appears you do, you are incredibly deluded.

And by the way, a little research indicates that electronic spying on the Trump administration did continue after he was president and that there was a connection to the Clinton campaign. CNN may have missed that.

You do truly need to wake up to the real threats to our democracy - being carried out under you nose.