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Ummm... yes they do. Late term abortions, when there is a good chance of the infants survival, are legal.

It's really amazing how resilient babies are. When my third child was born he was jaundiced. and he wouldn't stabilize. After a week he was transferred to the neo-natal wing of St. Joseph's hospital in Paterson. (Seems because of the high amount of drug babies they receive they are one of the premier neo-natal hospitals on the east coast and one of the top 10 in the nation. (who knew!!). Anyway, while I was there, visiting my son in his incubator, I had the opportunity to see a tiny black doll... just a little over the size of a Barbie doll, lying on a white cloth on a platform like a baby scale under a bright light. And while I was looking at the doll, IT MOVED!!! It was a baby that was born while the mother was (I'm told) 6 months pregnant. They keep the babies under the lights to keep them warm. The entire wing was filled with tiny infants, some barely recognizable as babies... but all of them were alive. This whole notion that a baby isn't a person until it's born is just plain poppycock. It's a false narrative perpetuated by people and companies like Planned Parenthood that make a ton of money by killing babies.

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I didn’t write a baby isn’t a person till it’s born - you’re spinning again.
I wrote when just a group of cells - with no brain and no heart it’s genetic potential to become a person .
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I didn’t write a baby isn’t a person till it’s born - you’re spinning again.
I wrote when just a group of cells - with no brain and no heart it’s genetic potential to become a person .
So you agree with the new Texas law that is before the Supreme Court that prevents an abortion when a heartbeat is detectable? (usually after about 6 weeks) Good for you. That's a step in the right direction.

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So you agree with the new Texas law that is before the Supreme Court that prevents an abortion when a heartbeat is detectable? (usually after about 6 weeks) Good for you. That's a step in the right direction.

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I didn’t agree with anything . I wrote DISAGREEMENT with your previous post
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I didn’t agree with anything . I wrote DISAGREEMENT with your previous post
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As for “ murder “ question remains if not more correctly “ stopping a human from forming “
when the reality is cells alone with DNA but no brain, no heart within the legal limit.
I took that to mean that you thought that an embryo was a baby when it had a heart beat. And it cannot have a heartbeat unless it has a brain to tell the heart to beat. So I presumed that you were agreeing with the Texas law saying no abortions after a detectable heartbeat.

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I took that to mean that you thought that an embryo was a baby when it had a heart beat. And it cannot have a heartbeat unless it has a brain to tell the heart to beat. So I presumed that you were agreeing with the Texas law saying no abortions after a detectable heartbeat.

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Well what you took my comments to mean was WRONG .

YOU wrote about people who dont think its murder just because a baby hasnt been born yet. I am not one of those so called people who think that.

Ill repeat my position which was and still is :
Without a brain and heart its a collection of cells with DNA potential to become a baby.
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Well what you took my comments to mean was WRONG .

YOU wrote about people who dont think its murder just because a baby hasnt been born yet. I am not one of those so called people who think that.

Ill repeat my position which was and still is :
Without a brain and heart its a collection of cells with DNA potential to become a baby.
Ok, so what is it WITH a heartbeat and a brain? When, in your opinion, is it a baby? When (morally) does it become murder?

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Ok, so what is it WITH a heartbeat and a brain? When, in your opinion, is it a baby? When (morally) does it become murder?

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I really don’t know. I think most every woman is “pro life “ they just need to have the choice.
Who are men to force these rules ? Men that wouldn’t adopt the baby these women would be forced to have .
And it IS mainly MEN trying to repeal this law. Rich folks will still get abortions - the poor will be forced otherwise .

I’m not in favor of forcing the “moral question” on women in this regard . Women don’t go through the awful experience of an abortion for fun.
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