Roe-Wade Woman’s right of choice

[bgreene]

Woman’s right of choice headed back into Supreme Court

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose to have an abortion without excessive government restriction.


Decision to uphold likely due by June 2022

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by bgreene

Woman’s right of choice headed back into Supreme Court

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose to have an abortion without excessive government restriction.


Decision to uphold likely due by June 2022

This is one of those items that can be argued either way. Personally, I think aborting a baby without a valid reason (Incest, rape, health) is murder. Sadly, more than 62 million babies have been murdered by abortion in the United States since Roe v. Wade. I know others will disagree with me and they are welcome to their opinion, just as I am welcome to mine. It will be interesting to see what the SCOTUS rules. Even if they strike it down, it really changes nothing. It would simply give it back to the states, where it rightfully belongs, as to whether or not to allow abortions.
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[bgreene]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

This is one of those items that can be argued either way. Personally, I think aborting a baby without a valid reason (Incest, rape, health) is murder. Sadly, more than 62 million babies have been murdered by abortion in the United States since Roe v. Wade. I know others will disagree with me and they are welcome to their opinion, just as I am welcome to mine. It will be interesting to see what the SCOTUS rules. Even if they strike it down, it really changes nothing. It would simply give it back to the states, where it rightfully belongs, as to whether or not to allow abortions.
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Who’s going to ADOPT the 60-70 million adopted babies each year - you destroyer ?
How many unwanted babies have you adopted ?

The majority of these tend to be from lower income situations - meaning more strain on our welfare system to pay and support . You willing to pay a lot more to support all these children ??

My position is most everyone is pro life yes…….but pro CHOICE is the issue as currently the law of our land .

[scook]

Yes, but killing someone because they are inconvenient is in all other cases murder under the law and in this case certainly murder in the moral sense. Where an abortion is is the equivalent to self defense - in the cases of rape, incest or an actual life or serious health threatening issue for the mother, there’s room for exceptions.

It’s not an honest discussion of the issue to leave out the absolute fact that an abortion kills at least one baby.

It’s a tragedy that babies are being borne to mothers who shouldn’t be having them and can’t give them a decent upbringing. My daughter has done years of work with that population and it’s heartbreaking to experience it. That problem has been hugely promoted by probably well intended permissive, supportive government programs that make irresponsible behavior much easier to get away with. The notion that all carrots and no stick works is foolish beyond imagination, yet liberal policies continue to accelerate down that path.

It would also be helpful if adoption wasn’t an absolutely cruel, punishing, insanely expensive process. Our family has had significant experience with that, and I can only say that the system is unconscionable and abusive in the extreme.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

Yes, but killing someone because they are inconvenient is in all other cases murder under the law and in this case certainly murder in the moral sense. Where an abortion is is the equivalent to self defense - in the cases of rape, incest or an actual life or serious health threatening issue for the mother, there’s room for exceptions.

It’s not an honest discussion of the issue to leave out the absolute fact that an abortion kills at least one baby.

It’s a tragedy that babies are being borne to mothers who shouldn’t be having them and can’t give them a decent upbringing. My daughter has done years of work with that population and it’s heartbreaking to experience it. That problem has been hugely promoted by probably well intended permissive, supportive government programs that make irresponsible behavior much easier to get away with. The notion that all carrots and no stick works is foolish beyond imagination, yet liberal policies continue to accelerate down that path.

It would also be helpful if adoption wasn’t an absolutely cruel, punishing, insanely expensive process. Our family has had significant experience with that, and I can only say that the system is unconscionable and abusive in the extreme.

The question of when LIFE starts ….when just a clump of cells with genetic potential ? Before a brain and heart form or afterwards ?
I am pro choice - not pro recklessness but remain pro choice.

For those against - I ask again - will YOU adopt these unwanted babies ?
Sixty to Seventy million per year - what would happen to the population ?
Who would care for this soon MAJORITY of people ? You ? Me ?
The answer is obvious

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by bgreene

The question of when LIFE starts ….when just a clump of cells with genetic potential ? Before a brain and heart form or afterwards ?
I am pro choice - not pro recklessness but remain pro choice.

For those against - I ask again - will YOU adopt these unwanted babies ?
Sixty to Seventy million per year - what would happen to the population ?
Who would care for this soon MAJORITY of people ? You ? Me ?
The answer is obvious

Correction please. Roe V Wade was enacted in 1973. So that's 62 million since then, not per year as you just stated.

So 62 million divided by 48 years equals 1,291,666 per year. Less than the 2 million illegal immigrants that have entered the US this year since Biden took over. Maybe if we stopped feeding them and started feeding unwanted babies we could solve 2 problems at the same time?

[Pipe_Dream]

Originally Posted by bgreene

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose to have an abortion without excessive government restriction.


Decision to uphold likely due by June 2022

I'm not going to go into the motivation for the unprecedented leak at this time.

But this is a decent overview of Alito's draft opinion, despite being posted at Politico.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...sages-00029470

I am cautiously optimistic.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream

I'm not going to go into the motivation for the unprecedented leak at this time.

But this is a decent overview of Alito's draft opinion, despite being posted at Politico.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...sages-00029470

I am cautiously optimistic.

And who’s going to adopt all the low income babies born of the poor that can’t afford travel to states allowing abortion ? You pipe dream ? And these unfortunate poor babies will grow up as addition drain on the economy - likely having poor babies again themselves . You going to pay more for welfare ?

[scook]

A start would be to address the hideous adoption process. Our family’s experience is that with many multiple thousands of dollars into the process, attempting to adopt (and getting very close - one baby actually in the care of the family members and then taken back from the adoptive dad’s arms by a social,worker) both were reverted back to pretty irresponsible mothers. It was a gut wrenching, horrible experience, trying to adopt and give a good life to these two babies of color. Then thousands more into the process, miraculously, a baby was able to be adopted and he’s an absolute joy to all of our family. I think the whole thing took three or four years, took north of $65k and was an extremely emotionally abusive process. Fortunately, there were lots of donations of resources and a lot of people praying and giving active support through the process.

I’d suggest working to make that process something that normal people with normal financial resources can actually have a chance of accomplishing before thinking that killing babies (people) is an OK thing to do as a usual and customary way of dealing with the problem.

You want to throw government money (our money) at problems - that wouldn’t be a bad, or inefficient, place to put some of it.

[scook]

Actually, your argument suggests that we should just kill the domestic terrorists who are destroying property, businesses and peoples lives - dragging on our economy very significantly.