Climate change

[scook]

Bgreen - I haven’t had time to read a lot of his stuff, but Bjorn Lomborg is an environmentalist with some different (from the conventional wisdom) conclusions about what to do about climate change. I’m not addressing the man made issue, but positing some different analysis of the data and a different view of remedies. He seems to have background/education that gives him a more holistic approach.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

Bgreen - I haven’t had time to read a lot of his stuff, but Bjorn Lomborg is an environmentalist with some different (from the conventional wisdom) conclusions about what to do about climate change. I’m not addressing the man made issue, but positing some different analysis of the data and a different view of remedies. He seems to have background/education that gives him a more holistic approach.

Our military now considers global warming a threat to our national security.
Is that enough ?

[scook]

Your response is not responsive. I didn’t challenge the issue of climate change or of the statements that it’s man made. I suggested you might be interested in the analysis of a competent academic who is very on board with the idea of climate change, but his analysis suggests that we are accepting some bad information, leading to hysteria and that the mainstream approach to moving away from fossil fuel is a poor one. The extent to which we’re taxing the poor by encouraging high energy costs is, in my view, obscene.

There will almost certainly be people who die of the cold, not able to afford fuel to heat their residences and people on the low end of the income scale are being generally brutalized. Rampant inflation isn’t helping retired fixed income people either.

If you don’t want to broaden your perspective by reading Prof. Lomborg’s material, by all means don’t, but you might show enough respect to respond in some sensible way. I had hoped we might have a respectful discussion of some of the issues you’re concerned about - is that possible?

[bgreene]

Scook Undeniable proof that global warming is now caused by human industry

Carbon dioxide from human activity is increasing more than 250 times faster than it did from natural sources after the last Ice Age.


Here you go - read and learn

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence

[Pipe_Dream]

Originally Posted by bgreene

Our military now considers global warming a threat to our national security.
Is that enough ?

The Biden administration’s refusal to distinguish between our principal military adversary and climate change is yet more evidence that the military is following ideology instead of winning our wars.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/16...reat-as-china/

[scook]

bgreene - like I said, your response is not responsive. Whether I swallow it whole or not, the material you provide has nothing to do with my suggested reading. Bjorn Lomborg is a respected environmentalist who has some observations on the data and its interpretation by the mainstream, political, non scientists and particularly the direction they are pushing “solutions”.

He suggests, for one thing, that we move away from fossil fuel use without taxing the poor to death, which is what we’re doing right now.

Again, if you’re not interested in actually processing the issues and reading to learn things you don’t know, don’t.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

bgreene - like I said, your response is not responsive. Whether I swallow it whole or not, the material you provide has nothing to do with my suggested reading. Bjorn Lomborg is a respected environmentalist who has some observations on the data and its interpretation by the mainstream, political, non scientists and particularly the direction they are pushing “solutions”.

He suggests, for one thing, that we move away from fossil fuel use without taxing the poor to death, which is what we’re doing right now.

Again, if you’re not interested in actually processing the issues and reading to learn things you don’t know, don’t.

“ not interested in processing and learning “ …….wow judgemental.
Point of this thread is global warming has been confirmed as caused by human industry this time . Moving away from fossil fuels - yes, a good thing.

[scook]

Well, three times, you don’t respond. More like an observation than “judgment”. Prof. Lomborg has ideas of HOW to get away from fossil fuels that avoid the despicable, purposeful rampant inflation of fuel prices, so the liberal, elitists don’t absolutely brutalize the poor. I don’t know if you have ever gone home to a very cold house (my wife and I both did as kids), but the popular pursuit of reducing dependence on fossil fuel by making it obscenely expensive, when many have NO affordable, available alternative, is a callous disregard for the people the liberals SAY they represent and care about. That’s either epic stupidity, arrogance or just a huge lie - I vote for all three in varying degrees. People will certainly die prematurely as a result of the policies being pursued.
I have made an effort to have a respectful discussion of some issues, but it doesn’t look like you’re having any of that. You just repeat the same thing over and over and the possibility that some of it is true doesn’t make posting it responsive to the issues we are attempting to discuss.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

Well, three times, you don’t respond. More like an observation than “judgment”. Prof. Lomborg has ideas of HOW to get away from fossil fuels that avoid the despicable, purposeful rampant inflation of fuel prices, so the liberal, elitists don’t absolutely brutalize the poor. I don’t know if you have ever gone home to a very cold house (my wife and I both did as kids), but the popular pursuit of reducing dependence on fossil fuel by making it obscenely expensive, when many have NO affordable, available alternative, is a callous disregard for the people the liberals SAY they represent and care about. That’s either epic stupidity, arrogance or just a huge lie - I vote for all three in varying degrees. People will certainly die prematurely as a result of the policies being pursued.
I have made an effort to have a respectful discussion of some issues, but it doesn’t look like you’re having any of that. You just repeat the same thing over and over and the possibility that some of it is true doesn’t make posting it responsive to the issues we are attempting to discuss.

Ok so you’re impressed by this one persons opinion- I respect that.
Break us off from dependence on fossil fuels - yes I agree with that too .
FACT that BIG OIL and the REPUBLICAN PARTY have been too closely aligned - that’s a FACT

No problem here sir - the DEMOCRATIC PARTY pushes alternative fuels.
You believe there’s an even better way - ok too .