"And just like that"

[SkunkBoat]

I don't want to get into a long dissertation on the evils of Socialism nor Fascism...in the end they are the same.

What I do know is that the first words in the Constitution are "WE the People"

The government is "WE", whether you agree with the current one entirely or not. The government IS America. Its not America without it.

Too many people are worried about THEM. They don't believe in WE the People. They don't really believe in America and all its complications and compromises.
They don't understand that everything you have is tied to everyone else.

This country will end when some armed minority of the people think the government is THEM and start using guns against their neighbors and law enforcement. Then people are forced to pick sides and you get Yugoslavia all over again. What will you do? You gonna round up "them" and make them disappear? Is that going to save America? Save your Freedom?

[oteps]

I cant believe there isn't a gov owned place they can shelter people? I have never been to California and never will.
Everytine you turn around they are taking something else away. Right now they are trying to pass a bill that I have to get a permit to buy ammo. I just got my oxy and accetalene tanks filled, no permit.
Yeah they shut down gun shops for a couple days. THey should sell bottled water like the beer distributers, they can stay open.

[phatdaddy]

Don t know about California, but i just wondering how many empty hotel, motel, condo rooms are sitting empty in Florida with 3 or 4 full rolls of toilet paper in them.

[SkunkBoat]

btw, CA "secured leases" on empty motels and other facilities.

They did not "TAKE" anything.

and btw, every State has control over the use of land in the state. You don't really own your land, you own the rights to use it in accordance with the State's authority. The state's authority comes from the people of the state..past, present and future. It has always been that way. It has to be that way.

What they can't do is quarter soldiers in your home...and even that amendment is a little squishy.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat

btw, CA "secured leases" on empty motels and other facilities.

They did not "TAKE" anything.

and btw, every State has control over the use of land in the state. You don't really own your land, you own the rights to use it in accordance with the State's authority. The state's authority comes from the people of the state..past, present and future. It has always been that way. It has to be that way.

What they can't do is quarter soldiers in your home...and even that amendment is a little squishy.

So if I don't own my land does that mean that I don't have to pay taxes on it? LOL

Of course I own my land. I am not it's leaser, I am it's owner. The ONLY right the state has is to take my land "for the common good" but ONLY after paying me it's just worth. Even then, the states right of eminent domain is not absolute. It can be challenged in the courts and if the courts rule in favor of the owner the state cannot take the land.

I agree that the state has the right to limit certain activities on the land if those activities would adversely impact other land owners. That's just common sense. For instance, if you live on a 100' x 150' plot of land and you have a neighbor that lives 250' away from you you cannot hunt game with a high powered rifle. Nor can you drill for oil or a host of other things. Those limits are to protect others, not because the state owns the land. The states do have the right to limit or set aside certain areas for certain uses. For instance a land owner cannot build a large factory in an area zoned for residential use since that could adversely effect neighbors values of their homes and could impact their quality of living.

I'm not sure what you mean by "secured" leases. Ca took the vacant hotels, motels, etc under the guise of a national emergency. They did not reach an agreement with the owners first. That "may" have happened later. https://www.natlawreview.com/article...deering-hotels
And yes, the 3rd amendment is and always has been squishy, mainly because it's never had to be used for quartering troops.

In all cases, my original post was and still is about showing everyone just how fast, under the guise of "protecting" us, they can lose some or all of their Constitutionally given rights. (And this, perhaps more than any other reason, is why we must never let our 2nd amendment rights be taken from us. IMHO) I don't think that makes me a drama queen. Personally,
I prefer the moniker of "Patriot".

[SkunkBoat]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

So if I don't own my land does that mean that I don't have to pay taxes on it? LOL

Try NOT paying taxes on it and you'll see whether you OWN it.

When I say you don't own it I mean you don't don't own the right to do whatever you want to it. Its not YOURS free and clear forever. The state holds conditions on it. It has to be that way because you are going to die and because you have "neighbors". In this democracy of ours, the State is the people of the state now and in the future.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat

Try NOT paying taxes on it and you'll see whether you OWN it.

When I say you don't own it I mean you don't don't own the right to do whatever you want to it. Its not YOURS free and clear forever. The state holds conditions on it. It has to be that way because you are going to die and because you have "neighbors". In this democracy of ours, the State is the people of the state now and in the future.

Totally agree. In fact, that's exactly what I said in my previous post. As for the taxes thing, I did put a LOL in there. It was meant as a joke.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat

In this democracy of ours, the State is the people of the state now and in the future.

Last I checked we don't live in a democracy, if that was the case it would be mob rule, whoever agrees with the masses gets there way. We live in a republic with democratically elected representatives. It's a HUGE difference.

I for one am getting tired of this "lockdown". It hasn't changed my life much because I live in self quarantine on a daily basis because of my health, but last I checked we had certain unalienable to rights, and I'm sure feeling like my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are being thrown out the window. If I choose to go fishing right now to feed my family, I could be fined and put in jail for 90 days. If I choose to go on a drive just to go, too friggen bad.

If people want to leave there northern home and come stay in there Florida home right now to get away from this virus, they cannot do it because our governor has put check points on the border to stop anybody from out of state. The masses may agree with this as being for the "greater good", but doesn't this trample all over somebody's right to life and pursuit of happiness?

I realize people want to be safe and contain this, but how does your rights trump my rights? We used to stand up for everybody's rights in this country, but since 9/11, people have allowed fear to rule there lives. I'm not saying somebody should be able to go out and purposefully harm others, but if somebody decides that they want to LIVE there life, they should be allowed to. I'm not going to list all the statistics I've found on this "pandemic", but your odds of dieing in a car crash are FAR higher than that of covid-19 from my research, but I have yet to see anybody willing to give up there cars.

I guess I look at things differently since my bad car accident and had the ER doctors tell me my family is here, and I should tell them goodbye because it will probably be my last chance too. But there comes a point where you have to stop living in fear, and live your life. I'm just tired of seeing people WILLINGLY give up there rights, DEMAND others cave to there will's, and do the same or else, all under the guise of safety.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

I'll get off my soapbox now.