Thinking about a 2nd V project.

[Striper80]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

V21 has curved side windshields... = 5 extra mph easy. :p

WHO says having more than one boat is an addiction? Hogwash.. !!! Simply not true!

Oh, I got this over the weekend..... Engine will go on my V21, trailer will go under the V20. V21's engine will go on the V20. The boat will either be stripped and scrapped or just the controls for the engine removed and then sold if anyone here wants a 20' center console with a cracked transom. (Accident, not rotted) See? All very logical... No addiction at all.........

How bad is the crack? Could it be plated just to hang my 130 on the back?

[3 Squids]

While I think owning both and center console as well as a cuddy V-20 would be great I'm just not a big fan of the cuddy's. I can't give a good reason, I'm not sure what it is about them. But slapping a bracket on this one with a 200 to match the Green Machine would be pretty cool. The more I think about it the less I want to keep it IB/OB.

I guess once I have a chance to go get it and see what kind of shape it's really in we will go from there. If I got to pop the cap and replace floors, stinger and the whole 9 yards I'll convert it to a big wide open center console for sure. Of course I'm super busy at work all week and this storm is supposed to smash us this weekend so thinking about heading to the mountains to a family cabin to dodge the storm. Hopefully he won't sell it before I can get there and if so then I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Striper80

How bad is the crack? Could it be plated just to hang my 130 on the back?

The transom is thinner that a V20's... I'd say 1 1/2" thick. It cracked right at the top 2 bolts. The Todd cooler seat with a flip backrest is in good mechanical shape but the upholstery is shot. All the controls seem to be in good shape. The steering is nice and free. According to the PO the steering cable is only 1 year old. Zero signs of rust or any damage on it. I've already removed the engine and will be towing the boat to my house, probably tomorrow. The bottom two bolts have a full length plate across them and I don't see any signs of damage. The top two bolts only had a small square of plate behind each one and that's probably why the transom cracked. On a score of 1-10 with 10 being brand new I'd give the overall condition of the boat a solid 5. The hull is solid. It's dirty and needs some TLC, and of course the transom needs to be reinforced or replaced, but with a lighter engine it just might be feasible. Officially the boat is 19'6" in length. I'd call it 19 foot realistically. If you want to take a look at it before I start stripping it let me know. I'll PM you my phone number. The tandem axle trailer under the boat is not included in the sale, but I have a good single axle trailer with papers that's sitting under my V20 that is included. The two Cannon downrigger mounts are not included.

[Redloon]

Don't think about it - just do it!

Just picked up a 1977 V20 center console with Evinrude 150 and tandem axle trailer to go along with my 1984 V20 Cuddy. The CC needs some work but as I tell the wife - "it keeps me out of the bars"

[Troutkiller2006]

i really like your build ideas. i/o vs outboard??? ithink it gotta be a personal preference to go i/o. if form follows function then the outboard wins hands down in all aspects. lighter, faster, more fuel efficient, more room onboard and as far as working on it goes, a 2stroke outboard is a much simpler and usually more reliable design. if you learned your way around a 350 you will learn your way around an outboard. but if you want an i/o... thats pretty effing cool too!

every inch of a boat is a compromise and there are always pros and cons to every design decision. and thats why having two boats is such a huge advantage. especially when they are both the same hull. think about it. you got a boat in the water. your not missing out on anything cause your boat isnt finished. you can take your time, do it right. you will never cut a corner, scale back or compromise cause youre itching to get your boat in the water. thats gotta help the build quality. plus having one so similar on the water... youve got a really good idea of what you want, how well its gonna work and what youve gotta give up to get it.

for what youre talking about doing i truly hope that you dont leave any wood in that boat. seacast is kinda heavy but extra weight in the stringers isnt a bad idea. maybe a layer or two of kevlar around the stringers and in the nose use heavier materials below the water line to make that puppy rock solid. then save as much weight as you can topside on hatches, gunnels and such. watch ebay for cf reminents. keep the cog low. i say go for it, built not bought!

[3 Squids]

Originally Posted by Troutkiller2006

. you got a boat in the water. your not missing out on anything cause your boat isnt finished. you can take your time, do it right. you will never cut a corner

This is my exact thinking. I can take 2 or 3 years to build a rock solid, life long boat as long as I have one I can use regularly.

As for the wood in the boat, ideally I would like to have no wood at all in the boat. Seacast is the pourable stuff correct? I have a bad taste about some composites as my buddy's boat had a composite floor put in and around his gas tank it actually got soft and spongy due to water getting in screw holes. I thought that was the sole purpose of the composite?? Not sure exactly what it was but I need to try to find out so I can avoid it.

[bgreene]

DESTROYER - I share your thought process of matching / swapping / rigging from more than one rig to set up another......

I " run this equation " when I start thinking about next boat possibilities.

In a minor way, I did so by selling my last boat, buying the V21 for 1/2 the sold boat money, then using the $$ to buy new trailer, and rig it with used low hour Etec 200 HO, and sold the motor it came with........a great evinrude !50 looper.

It can be a good way to limit the spend ( sort of ) by using older boat packages where it can work out.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by bgreene

DESTROYER - I share your thought process of matching / swapping / rigging from more than one rig to set up another......

I " run this equation " when I start thinking about next boat possibilities.

In a minor way, I did so by selling my last boat, buying the V21 for 1/2 the sold boat money, then using the $$ to buy new trailer, and rig it with used low hour Etec 200 HO, and sold the motor it came with........a great evinrude !50 looper.

It can be a good way to limit the spend ( sort of ) by using older boat packages where it can work out.

Exactly. I'm pretty much hoping to eventually break even. I have 2 single axle boat trailers that fit 20' boats, both galvanized, heavy duty, no rust that I intend to sell after I do the mentioned swaps. And the 225HP Looper Johnson that's on the V20 now will get sold for a profit in the spring when people are looking for engines. That money will go into Destroyer's Etec bank towards my future (and hopefully last) engine swap on the V21. (Although Yamaha is a serious contender right now for the final engine swap also)

[Troutkiller2006]

Originally Posted by 3 Squids

This is my exact thinking. I can take 2 or 3 years to build a rock solid, life long boat as long as I have one I can use regularly.

As for the wood in the boat, ideally I would like to have no wood at all in the boat. Seacast is the pourable stuff correct? I have a bad taste about some composites as my buddy's boat had a composite floor put in and around his gas tank it actually got soft and spongy due to water getting in screw holes. I thought that was the sole purpose of the composite?? Not sure exactly what it was but I need to try to find out so I can avoid it.

yes, seacast is the pourable stuff. been around long enough that i would call it proven technology. i have it in my transom and stringers and im impressed. but do your own research, theirs lots of info out there. as for your buddies boat... probably more to do with craftsmanship than material. anddont be afraid of foam either. tons of horror stories of waterlogged foam. pretty sure my dually has that issue cause it list hard to stbd. i just correct it with my tabs for now. but when the fishing slows down and i redo it i wil absolutely put foam back in every single air void in it. good quality products that are properly installed...there is absolutely no reason not to use current technology on these old boats