Trump or crooked hillary vote for one I will start

[SkunkBoat]

Originally Posted by DiverDux

Just to clarify, those headstones symbolize sacrifice and those sacrifices are why we enjoy the liberty afforded us in the Bill of Rights.

Obama, Hillary and their cronies have no respect for our liberty. They wish to rewrite the constitution to fit their thoughts and views. They will do this by stacking the Supreme Court with Justices who emulate their views.

SkunkBoat, while I do not agree with you regarding your political leanings, I respect your thoughts and views, as well as your right to believe them. I also cleary understand your thoughts regarding my views. A popular quote by Eric Hoffer comes to mind... "Rudeness is the weak (person's) immitation of strength." To this, I concur.

Slightly less than half of the electorate might agree with your statement about Obama and Hillary. Slightly more than half of the electorate might agree with this change to your statement;
"Trump,Cruz, Ryan, McConnell and their cronies have no respect for our liberty. They wish to rewrite the constitution to fit their thoughts and views. They will do this by stacking the Supreme Court with Justices who emulate their views."


I apologize if I was rude. It was a reaction to the implication that I am somehow disrespectful of the sacrifices of veterans. As a son of a 30 year Navy man and a 6 year sailor myself, I take your comment personally.

The Republican party and/or Trump(whatever he is) and you do not own the sacrifices of veterans, nor patriotism, nor the flag, nor the constitution.

And I'm not saying that the Democrats own them either.

I'm not a wide eyed fan of Hillary. She is an experienced, competent lawyer-politician and my guts hate that.
But face it, that is what Congressmen and Senators and Presidents have to be. They have to have knowledge of the workings of government and connections with enough people and groups and associations and businesses to get things done. Some people think that is the problem with government but that is democracy. People band together to argue for what they want.

Hillary has been under scrutiny for 25 years. There have been numerous multi-year, multi-million dollar special commission fishing expeditions trying to pin one thing or another on her. Say what you will, she kicks *** as a lawyer-politician and she's got HUGE balls to keep coming back for more.
I kinda want a bulldog like that working for me. At least she's not Bernie...

Trump will never hold up to that scrutiny. He has opened up a can of worms and he is going "regret" it.
All he has going for him is an appeal to gut reactions. It might feel good, but burning down your house to kill the rats in the attic just leaves you with no house. His rudeness feels good but...
A popular quote by Eric Hoffer comes to mind... "Rudeness is the weak (person's) immitation of strength."


I am so tired of this idea that the government is ruining America. "The Government" IS America. There is no America without it. It is full of every kind of American, doing things that at least some Americans want or not doing things that other Americans don't want. It is one giant messy compromise between us all. Been that way for 240 years.

I hear a lot of bad talk about "liberal democrats" and labor unions.
I don't consider myself a liberal democrat and I've never been in a union, but..
I like 40 hr work weeks, overtime, sick days and vacation, 401k, and medical /dental. I like cars with seat belts and airbags and disc brakes and 30 mpg. I like water and air without lead, arsenic and pcb's. I like the EPA (thank you Nixon). I like that my mom gets Social Security and Medicare. I like that my next door neighbor can't raise pigs because of zoning regulations. I like that I can call "the government" to make my neighbor remove the 20' storage container that has been in his driveway for a year and a half. My wife and I own a flower shop. I like that I can get the police to move a jacka$$ selling roses from a van on the side of the road because he doesn't have a vendor permit and a tax id number. I'm glad the north won the Civil War and kept America and Americans together. I hate to think what the world would be if that were not so. I like the end of segregation and Civil Rights Acts of 64 and 68 because they moved us closer to an America that lives by its words. I like the 14th Amendment that applies the US Bill of Rights to all State and local governments.

So yes, I'm going to vote for Democrats because, as screwed up as they are, at least they are trying to do things and succeeding at some of them. They are looking forward not backwards.
Republicans now just want to undo things. "Government regulation is bad. Vote for me and I'll do nothing new and I'll undo things that the people wanted before".

I think America is great NOW. I'm not afraid of Muslims or Mexicans.
I'm not afraid of ISIS or Al Quaida or the IRA or the KKK... The only way to beat terrorism is to be yourself, live by your values and not be terrified.
The only thing that can hurt America is a bunch of Americans who think they are going to save America from "The Government" with small arms and truck bombs.

So I'm done with the Politics thread.
I hope to see you in the Fishing threads

[yodaddy]

Trump.

We are totally thoroughly screwed if the marxist Clinton gets in. 56% of the population doesn't trust her, the mainstream media is shilling for her, most polls oversample democrats, and she is hiding from the public because whenever she opens her mouth her poll numbers drop, even with the oversampling.

If there was a fair and open election tomorrow Trump would win hands down.

I heard yesterday that Homeland Security is going to take charge of the election. Does that give anyone the warm fuzzies? Like Joe Stalin said - "it doesn't matter who casts the votes, what matters is who counts the votes". The voting machines are probably already precoded to toss the election to Hillary.

[SkunkBoat]

Originally Posted by yodaddy

trump.

We are totally thoroughly screwed if the marxist clinton gets in. 56% of the population doesn't trust her, the mainstream media is shilling for her, most polls oversample democrats, and she is hiding from the public because whenever she opens her mouth her poll numbers drop, even with the oversampling.

If there was a fair and open election tomorrow trump would win hands down.

I heard yesterday that homeland security is going to take charge of the election. Does that give anyone the warm fuzzies? Like joe stalin said - "it doesn't matter who casts the votes, what matters is who counts the votes". The voting machines are probably already precoded to toss the election to hillary.

wow!

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat

wow!

And myself and I'm sure several others said the same to your response above his. It's the nature of politics, people believe what they believe, and thats about it. So you say wow to his post, when I'm betting several here agree with much of it. You have your views, just like each of us has our own differing viewpoints.

[13Echo70271]

As Abraham Lincoln once said.........

[yodaddy]

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat

wow!

Hillary was/is an acolyte of the marxist agitator Saul Alinsky. If you're not familiar with him google his name, and then check out his book "Rules for Radicals". It's a point by point instruction manual for disrupting a society. Alinsky was the subject of her Master's thesis at Wellesley College.

I've followed the Clintons since the 80s. They are in this for power, nothing more, nothing less. Hillary used her position as Secretary of State to funnel $156 million into the Clinton Foundation. This isn't conspiracy whacko ****, it's fact. People paid the foundation money, and they got access to Clinton. Here's an example of their M.O. - a link to a NY Times article about Clinton facilitating sales of uranium to Russia in exchange for money - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us...m-company.html

[Destroyer]

And I like the fact that The party of Abe Lincoln (Republicans) abolished slavery in America, and I like the fact that the Republicans are the party of freedom, equality and opportunity, while the Democrats are the party of slavery and the party of Jim Crow. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016..._term=Firewire I like the fact that the Republicans finally passed the Civil Rights Acts of 64 and 68. (It would have been passed 10 years earlier but was blocked by the Democrats in both Congress and the Senate [Look it up]) I like the fact that I'm of Polish decent, and that I have the right to be offended if someone calls me a Polack, just like other races have the right to be offended if someone calls them a N__ger or a Sp__k, or a K_ke or a W_p. I like the fact that I can be offended by bigotry and I don't have to be quiet about being offended. I like the fact that in America a person can change their political views and go on to be President and do great things for our Country like Reagan did. I like the fact that I was able to serve 12 years in the US Navy, including 15 months doing river patrol in VietNam and was able to live to tell about it. I like the fact that it took a Republican president to get us out of that war. I like the fact that local government (Republican or Democrat), without the need for Federal rules and regs, can make my neighbor mow his lawn or paint his house or not raise pigs or not sell roses across the street from a flower shop. I like the fact that smaller, not larger government is what we really need in this Country. I like the fact that I can remember back into the 50's and 60's when that was a reality.

Look, we can play the "I like" or the "I don't like" game all night long, and at the end of it you are still faced with the same question. Who do you think will serve this great country of ours better as the President. DT or HRC. Both have some good points.. both have some bad. In the end, as I said in an earlier post, it's not which one runs our country, it's which one gets to appoint a judge(S) for life to the supreme court. Do we want a court that follows the Constitution of the US or do we want a court that "interprets" it to mean whatever they feel is correct, even if that interpretation is in direct opposition to what everyone else thinks it means. For me, the choice is clear. I want a court that follows the written rule of law. I do not want 9 unelected officials making up their own interpretation of the Constitution and forcing everyone else to live under their interpretation. For that reason, I'm voting for Trump, simply because I know that with Hillary I have NO chance whatsoever of her appointing a conservative Judge. At least with Trump I figure I have a 50-50 chance.

And frankly, if you actually listen to what Trump is saying on a wide range of subjects, he actually makes sense. And before ANYONE tries to say that Clinton has more experience, may I remind everyone that 8 years ago we elected a first year Senator that had less experience than Trump, to be president of the United States. Hows all the hope and change working out for you guys? We've had a steadily declining economy, more people on food stamps (Over 46 MILLION now, compared to under 30 million when Obama first took office in 2008), people having to work 2 and 3 jobs just to keep their homes, companies leaving the US right and left, higher unemployment and a new "accepted" growth rate of 1% when we used to think that 3-4% was low. We're printing money like it's water, our national debt is now 19 TRILLION dollars, (more than half of it under Obama). Obama has spent more money that all other presidents of the United States COMBINED!!!!... In short, we've had a total bust for the last 8 years and now we have a candidate that is promising more of the same. AND she's vowing to bring in more than 550,000 UNDOCUMENTED, UNVETTED Syrian refugees into our Country if she's elected. No thank you... not on my watch. Trump in 2016.

[Striper80]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

And I like the fact that The party of Abe Lincoln (Republicans) abolished slavery in America, and I like the fact that the Republicans are the party of freedom, equality and opportunity, while the Democrats are the party of slavery and the party of Jim Crow. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016..._term=Firewire I like the fact that the Republicans finally passed the Civil Rights Acts of 64 and 68. (It would have been passed 10 years earlier but was blocked by the Democrats in both Congress and the Senate [Look it up]) I like the fact that I'm of Polish decent, and that I have the right to be offended if someone calls me a Polack, just like other races have the right to be offended if someone calls them a N__ger or a Sp__k, or a K_ke or a W_p. I like the fact that I can be offended by bigotry and I don't have to be quiet about being offended. I like the fact that in America a person can change their political views and go on to be President and do great things for our Country like Reagan did. I like the fact that I was able to serve 12 years in the US Navy, including 15 months doing river patrol in VietNam and was able to live to tell about it. I like the fact that it took a Republican president to get us out of that war. I like the fact that local government (Republican or Democrat), without the need for Federal rules and regs, can make my neighbor mow his lawn or paint his house or not raise pigs or not sell roses across the street from a flower shop. I like the fact that smaller, not larger government is what we really need in this Country. I like the fact that I can remember back into the 50's and 60's when that was a reality.

Look, we can play the "I like" or the "I don't like" game all night long, and at the end of it you are still faced with the same question. Who do you think will serve this great country of ours better as the President. DT or HRC. Both have some good points.. both have some bad. In the end, as I said in an earlier post, it's not which one runs our country, it's which one gets to appoint a judge(S) for life to the supreme court. Do we want a court that follows the Constitution of the US or do we want a court that "interprets" it to mean whatever they feel is correct, even if that interpretation is in direct opposition to what everyone else thinks it means. For me, the choice is clear. I want a court that follows the written rule of law. I do not want 9 unelected officials making up their own interpretation of the Constitution and forcing everyone else to live under their interpretation. For that reason, I'm voting for Trump, simply because I know that with Hillary I have NO chance whatsoever of her appointing a conservative Judge. At least with Trump I figure I have a 50-50 chance.

And frankly, if you actually listen to what Trump is saying on a wide range of subjects, he actually makes sense. And before ANYONE tries to say that Clinton has more experience, may I remind everyone that 8 years ago we elected a first year Senator that had less experience than Trump, to be president of the United States. Hows all the hope and change working out for you guys? We've had a steadily declining economy, more people on food stamps (Over 46 MILLION now, compared to under 30 million when Obama first took office in 2008), people having to work 2 and 3 jobs just to keep their homes, companies leaving the US right and left, higher unemployment and a new "accepted" growth rate of 1% when we used to think that 3-4% was low. We're printing money like it's water, our national debt is now 19 TRILLION dollars, (more than half of it under Obama). Obama has spent more money that all other presidents of the United States COMBINED!!!!... In short, we've had a total bust for the last 8 years and now we have a candidate that is promising more of the same. AND she's vowing to bring in more than 550,000 UNDOCUMENTED, UNVETTED Syrian refugees into our Country if she's elected. No thank you... not on my watch. Trump in 2016.

[SkunkBoat]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

And I like the fact that The party of Abe Lincoln (Republicans) abolished slavery in America, and I like the fact that the Republicans are the party of freedom, equality and opportunity, while the Democrats are the party of slavery and the party of Jim Crow. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016..._term=Firewire I like the fact that the Republicans finally passed the Civil Rights Acts of 64 and 68. (It would have been passed 10 years earlier but was blocked by the Democrats in both Congress and the Senate [Look it up]) I like the fact that I'm of Polish decent, and that I have the right to be offended if someone calls me a Polack, just like other races have the right to be offended if someone calls them a N__ger or a Sp__k, or a K_ke or a W_p. I like the fact that I can be offended by bigotry and I don't have to be quiet about being offended. I like the fact that in America a person can change their political views and go on to be President and do great things for our Country like Reagan did. I like the fact that I was able to serve 12 years in the US Navy, including 15 months doing river patrol in VietNam and was able to live to tell about it. I like the fact that it took a Republican president to get us out of that war. I like the fact that local government (Republican or Democrat), without the need for Federal rules and regs, can make my neighbor mow his lawn or paint his house or not raise pigs or not sell roses across the street from a flower shop. I like the fact that smaller, not larger government is what we really need in this Country. I like the fact that I can remember back into the 50's and 60's when that was a reality.

Look, we can play the "I like" or the "I don't like" game all night long, and at the end of it you are still faced with the same question. Who do you think will serve this great country of ours better as the President. DT or HRC. Both have some good points.. both have some bad. In the end, as I said in an earlier post, it's not which one runs our country, it's which one gets to appoint a judge(S) for life to the supreme court. Do we want a court that follows the Constitution of the US or do we want a court that "interprets" it to mean whatever they feel is correct, even if that interpretation is in direct opposition to what everyone else thinks it means. For me, the choice is clear. I want a court that follows the written rule of law. I do not want 9 unelected officials making up their own interpretation of the Constitution and forcing everyone else to live under their interpretation. For that reason, I'm voting for Trump, simply because I know that with Hillary I have NO chance whatsoever of her appointing a conservative Judge. At least with Trump I figure I have a 50-50 chance.

And frankly, if you actually listen to what Trump is saying on a wide range of subjects, he actually makes sense. And before ANYONE tries to say that Clinton has more experience, may I remind everyone that 8 years ago we elected a first year Senator that had less experience than Trump, to be president of the United States. Hows all the hope and change working out for you guys? We've had a steadily declining economy, more people on food stamps (Over 46 MILLION now, compared to under 30 million when Obama first took office in 2008), people having to work 2 and 3 jobs just to keep their homes, companies leaving the US right and left, higher unemployment and a new "accepted" growth rate of 1% when we used to think that 3-4% was low. We're printing money like it's water, our national debt is now 19 TRILLION dollars, (more than half of it under Obama). Obama has spent more money that all other presidents of the United States COMBINED!!!!... In short, we've had a total bust for the last 8 years and now we have a candidate that is promising more of the same. AND she's vowing to bring in more than 550,000 UNDOCUMENTED, UNVETTED Syrian refugees into our Country if she's elected. No thank you... not on my watch. Trump in 2016.

OK OK, as one Polack to another, I like the response. But lets not pretend that the Republican and Democratic parties of today are the same as the days of slavery and Jim Crow. We both know that flipped after LBJ "betrayed" the south.
I'm not going to rebut anything else(and I could) because I'm too busy reading a fishing magazine and we all seem to have either already heard the other side and made up our mind or don't want to hear it. I only got sucked into this because someone basically said anyone like me is pissing on graves in Arlington.

Hey, I caught two keeper fluke on Monday at the Sea Girt reef...

[bradford]

Y'all can call each other polack, but get offended when others do huh?