How's that "Hope and Change" working?

[LESTERUS]

So, Spoogy, years ago you posted this about Obama:

1. Within his first week, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse.

Now, years past our national debt has grown, under Obama's watch, from 8 Trillion, to 18 Trillion dollars, What about that audit about waste and abuse ?, Did he read the report ?
I guess not.....

[bradford]

The game and it's nuances can bite me.

Just got a letter from the health insurance company, my grandfathered plan is no longer available.

I thought I was gonna be able to keep my plan?

Thats what those lying bastards said wasn't it?

I remember some lying bastard saying it over and over on the news/tv/mind control box so it must be fuking true right?

They will let me keep it till the end of the year but will be charging me an additional 90 bucks a month which is still 100 bucks cheaper than any plan I've been able to find elsewhere. I've been pretty much maxed out at what they were charging last year. I'm tired of being a cash cow for these sons of *****es. I've got a $20,000 deductible $10,000 for me, $10,000 for my wife, one can't go towards another I find out, before they have to chip in anything but a doctor check up that I have to pay 50 towards. Don't know the path from here, but do know I'm done. There's more to life than being a slave and paying what could be a mortgage payment to these bastards so other low lifes can suck the whole thing dry. Sitting on their fat asses driving a car or truck 20+ years newer than mine. Done.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Yep, obamas been so good I've had to get on disability just for medicare because we couldnt afford health insurance. You guys can spin it anyway you want, but you can't blame Bush forever. At some point, o is going to have to own this mess. All he's done is throw money at the fire to keep it burning, but eventually we'll run out of money to throw at it, and when it goes out, we'll have a real mess.

[Pipe_Dream]

Goodness knows there is plenty of blame to go around amongst both Democrats and Republicans. Neither side wants to sincerely address the debt. Republicans don't have the will, because it would likely cost them votes. Some Democrats may have that mindset, but a part of me is beginning to believe that many of them want us to go down the road to financial disaster, because ultimately it will give them more power over us. Conspiracy theory? It's pretty commonly known in the insurance business that Obamacare was designed to fail, and be the catalyst for universal health care. Sorry, spoggy, but I'm not buying that they thought they could correct its "issues" afterward in Congress. It was pushed through without adequate review in completely partisan fashion ("we have to pass it to find out what's in it"), and took the SCOTUS' legislating from the bench for it to not be overturned. It is a cluster **** of epic proportions, and as is more often than not the case, those that wrote and passed it are not subject to it. And don't get me started on Ezra Klein.

I hope not to spend too much time politic-ing here, as this is one of the few forums I visit where it doesn't come up much. But, when in Rome...

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spoggy

So, I've really tried to stay out of this particular forum, because I know I'm in the minority. I hear and understand that everyone is pissed at the current situation, and I have two more points to make.

First, our government consists of 3 branches, the legislative, judicial and executive. Any ONE branch can act as a check to the other two. Obama cannot act in a vacuum. If congress doesn't like his wielding of the executive pen, they can craft law to defeat his efforts. Please bear this in mind. Congress can stop Obama if they choose to.

Second, and many of you wont like this, so I'll apologize first. My wife works in government relations for one of the top five health care systems in the United States. She drafted portions of the ACA with respect to reimbursement. People in Washington knew there would be issues with the ACA when it was passed, but the intent was to modify it by law through congress. The republicans gained control, and in an effort to repeal the ACA and get support for doing so from the public, have blocked every bill that would improve the ACA and relieve some of the financial burden of those insured. Let me make this clear, the republicans are blocking legislation that would make the ACA easier and cheaper to use so they can get enough support to repeal it. In the meantime, it's you folks that suffer for the stiff necks in Washington.

Oh please. DO NOT insult our intelligence with dribble and spin like this. Fact. Obamacare was passed in the dead of night by the DEMOCRATS under the guidance of Pelossi and Reid.
Fact. The cost of health insurance for most people just about DOUBLED as soon as it passed.
Fact. That BS about the Republicans blocking every bill is just pure bull. BOTH parties have blocked bills from the other side. The Democrats (who passed this TAX in the first place) are just as guilty as the Republicans, if not more so since they passed this piece of $HIT bill on the American public in the first place!

The government has NO BUSINESS being in health care in the first place! This whole ACA was nothing more than an (unfortunately successful) attempt on the part of the federal government to be able to exert more power over us. (It now controls our money, our food and our medical. Don't tell me that we are free... we're on the path to a dictatorship the likes of which we've never seen. As soon as they take away our guns [One of Hillarys objectives] we're just meat ready to be cut up on the Progressives carving table) And the ONLY way they were able to get this POS bill passed was for the SCOTUS to declare it a TAX (even though the Dems had lied and declared time and time again that it wasn't) Although I cannot prove it, I still think that someone got to that traitor Roberts, who changed his opinion and invented out of whole cloth a new definition of taxation that contravenes long-standing precedent. He added hundreds of billions of dollars to the federal deficit, by way of his Medicaid ruling. And he forever tarnished his legacy as a Justice, and his promise to the nation that "he would serve as an umpire, and remember that it's my job to call balls and strikes, and not to pitch or bat".
But that's just my opinion, and as I said, I cannot prove it. But what I DO KNOW is that since this bill was passed people have had their MANDATED health insurance become an Albatross around their necks, putting them in financial ruin, forcing them to work 2 and 3 jobs just to pay for it. This is NOT what our government is supposed to do to it's citizens. and if anyone is so blind that they cannot see who is directly responsible for this in the first place, ... well, frankly I feel sorry for them because they cannot see past the smoke screen of spin that is in front of them. And now they are trying to elect a thoroughly corrupt politician that belongs in jail, is a liar, very likely a thief and perhaps a murderer. And this is the best they could come up with? That tells you a lot about their party. But I digress.. Obamacare has been a disaster that has cost American taxpayers trillions of dollars in unnecessary costs. Blaming it on the Republicans is just another spin job. It was Democrats that passed it. Period. Anything more than that is just smoke and mirrors spin.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spoggy

Is it fair to blame any President for events over which he had no control?

Why don't you ask Obama? He's been blaming President Bush for everything for the past 8 years.

[bradford]

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[Striper80]

That's ridiculous. It's doubled.

[spareparts]

ours went up more than that.
BTW, if anyone thinks the Republicans were part of the problem with the ACA, they don't understand our government. The democrats had a super majority in the house and senate for the last two years of the Bush presidency, basically nullifying anything Bush could propose. The Democrats had the power to do something about the crash, but seeing as how they were the ones who caused it, they blamed it on Bush. The first two years of the Obama presidency, the democrats had full control with no checks. They still had the suoper majority in teh house and senate, and with the presidency, they could have passed anything they wanted without any thing preventing them. Pelosy stated that if you want to read it, you have to pass it. It wasn't even circulated before voting. If there has ever been a gross misuse of our government and representatives, that was it.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spareparts

ours went up more than that.
BTW, if anyone thinks the Republicans were part of the problem with the ACA, they don't understand our government. The democrats had a super majority in the house and senate for the last two years of the Bush presidency, basically nullifying anything Bush could propose. The Democrats had the power to do something about the crash, but seeing as how they were the ones who caused it, they blamed it on Bush. The first two years of the Obama presidency, the democrats had full control with no checks. They still had the super majority in the house and senate, and with the presidency, they could have passed anything they wanted without any thing preventing them. Pelosy stated that if you want to read it, you have to pass it. It wasn't even circulated before voting. If there has ever been a gross misuse of our government and representatives, that was it.

100% correct. Basically, the Dems ruled (Had control of the purse strings) for 4 straight years... 2 in Bush's last term and 2 in Obama's first term. They could have done just about anything in Obama's first term to actually fix things, but all they did was blame everything on Bush and pass the most expensive spending bill in our nations history, (They called it the "Stimulus" bill)...but all it really was was a way to fill the respective Congressmen's home states with massive pork spending so as to try to solidify their own reelection when their terms expired. And then, in the dead of night, with a complete abrogation of the current laws, Reid passed the ACA Act (Obamacare) with a straight up and down vote instead of the 2/3's majority normally required. It passed by one vote. As the story goes, they awakened Russ Feingold from his home and transported him to the Senate chambers so he could cast the deciding vote. EVERY single Democrat Senator voted for the bill and EVERY single Republican voted against it. The House passed the Senate bill with a 219–212 vote on March 21, 2010, with 34 Democrats and all 178 Republicans voting against it. The next day, Republicans introduced legislation to repeal the bill. Obama signed ACA into law on March 23, 2010.

ANY time you ever hear the government call a bill "Affordable", grab your wallet and run for the hills because you know, surer than $hit, they are going to steal more money from you. Does anyone really think that the "Affordable Care Act" is really "affordable"? If so I own a bridge going from Manhattan to Brooklyn that you might be interested in buying.