Trump or crooked hillary vote for one I will start

[bradford]

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[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by bradford

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There is so much more to it too. Theres videos out there less than 3 years old of Trump talking about how great hillary is, how bill was teh best president we've ever had, and how he regarded them as good people. I brought it up to a friend of mine who's gone to Trump, and all he could say was he's better than hillary.

As to a vote for a 3rd party being a vote for hillary, if you're a lefty you say the same thing except that it's a vote for Trump. I used to be this way as well. Do a search here on this forum of my posts, and you'll see back in 08 how I was one of the loudest ones screaming a vote for anybody other than McCain was a vote for obama. I came to realise this is just BS. A vote for ANYBODY is just that, a vote for who YOU believe in. It's everybody being convinced that it's a wasted vote that has got us into the predicament were in now. If you look back into Trump's history, it isn't a pretty picture. 3 years ago he's touting how great hillary is and how good a person she is all the while praising the clintons. He becomes the birther poster child before that questioning the VERY man HE ADMITTEDLY voted for in 08. Before this he's a self proclaimed liberal democrat in favor of abortions, gun control, higher taxes for all espescially the wealthy, and so on and so on. There is so much wrong with him I don't know where to begin, but somehow he has become our "CONSERVATIVE" nominee?

There is so much more I could type out about why I dislike him, but I'll leave it at my biggest fear about trump. What do we believe he will do? Do we REALLY believe he is somehow a completely changed man? Do we believe he will keep to his campaign promises of now, of 6 months ago, a year ago, or will he go back to how he believed for the majority of his life? If he goes back to the Trump of even 5 years ago, what real difference is there between him and hillary? I know many will say, but he didn't get anybody killed, or ignore those in Benghazi leading to what happened to them, or he's never mishandled classified documents? But ask yourself this BEFORE you say that, when has he had the chance to do any of those things? We had MANY candidates who were running this go round who would have DEMOLISHED hillary in LANDSLIDE wins according to the polls, but somehow we got the ONE candidate who consistently loses to her in the polls as our guy.

With all this being said, I may still vote for him. The ONE thing that is driving me to it is quite honestly how BADLY the likes of news outlets like CNN, MSNBC, and the rest of the liberal rags are portraying him and spinning his comments. They are trying so hard to spin the stories, they are actually making me like him. We'll see what happens as I've already been through he!! because I won't support him(been disowned by my dad's brother, most of his kids, and had all kinds of made up crap thrown in my face because I wouldn't "kiss his ring" and fall in line with his beliefs, and quite a bit of other things), so this election will be a tough one for me.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

There is so much more to it too. Theres videos out there less than 3 years old of Trump talking about how great hillary is, how bill was teh best president we've ever had, and how he regarded them as good people. I brought it up to a friend of mine who's gone to Trump, and all he could say was he's better than hillary.

As to a vote for a 3rd party being a vote for hillary, if you're a lefty you say the same thing except that it's a vote for Trump. I used to be this way as well. Do a search here on this forum of my posts, and you'll see back in 08 how I was one of the loudest ones screaming a vote for anybody other than McCain was a vote for obama. I came to realise this is just BS. A vote for ANYBODY is just that, a vote for who YOU believe in. It's everybody being convinced that it's a wasted vote that has got us into the predicament were in now. If you look back into Trump's history, it isn't a pretty picture. 3 years ago he's touting how great hillary is and how good a person she is all the while praising the clintons. He becomes the birther poster child before that questioning the VERY man HE ADMITTEDLY voted for in 08. Before this he's a self proclaimed liberal democrat in favor of abortions, gun control, higher taxes for all espescially the wealthy, and so on and so on. There is so much wrong with him I don't know where to begin, but somehow he has become our "CONSERVATIVE" nominee?

There is so much more I could type out about why I dislike him, but I'll leave it at my biggest fear about trump. What do we believe he will do? Do we REALLY believe he is somehow a completely changed man? Do we believe he will keep to his campaign promises of now, of 6 months ago, a year ago, or will he go back to how he believed for the majority of his life? If he goes back to the Trump of even 5 years ago, what real difference is there between him and hillary? I know many will say, but he didn't get anybody killed, or ignore those in Benghazi leading to what happened to them, or he's never mishandled classified documents? But ask yourself this BEFORE you say that, when has he had the chance to do any of those things? We had MANY candidates who were running this go round who would have DEMOLISHED hillary in LANDSLIDE wins according to the polls, but somehow we got the ONE candidate who consistently loses to her in the polls as our guy.

With all this being said, I may still vote for him. The ONE thing that is driving me to it is quite honestly how BADLY the likes of news outlets like CNN, MSNBC, and the rest of the liberal rags are portraying him and spinning his comments. They are trying so hard to spin the stories, they are actually making me like him. We'll see what happens as I've already been through he!! because I won't support him(been disowned by my dad's brother, most of his kids, and had all kinds of made up crap thrown in my face because I wouldn't "kiss his ring" and fall in line with his beliefs, and quite a bit of other things), so this election will be a tough one for me.

Okay. As I said in my other post, I completely understand your hesitation. Trump was not my first choice either. If you recall, I was solidly for Cruz. but the same media that is now castigating Trump was singing his praises back in the primary's, because they knew he was the one candidate that HRC might be able to beat. So they sang his praises and we got him as our nominee. Now that he is, they are vilifying him and NOT reporting on HRC's ongoing problems. Anyone that doesn't believe the mainstream media is solidly behind HRC is a fool. It's disgusting actually, how much they fawn over her.

As to your point about Trump not being a true Republican,, yes, you're correct. He is, first and foremost, a businessman. And he conductes most of his business from NYC, which is solidly Democratic. So he HAD TO BE a democrat if he wanted to survive. He plays the game very well, as is evidenced by the huge fortune he has made. I've both worked in NYC, with some very nice people. If you want to avoid being blacklisted and not getting any jobs, you're a Democrat. Period. End of sentence. So 3 years ago he was a Democrat, fawning over the very powerful Clintons, trying to get some project or another approved. Like I said, he was a businessman first, and a politician last. I might also point out another Democrat that saw the light and changed sides... Let's see... now what was his name?..... Oh ya, I remember. President Reagan. So just because you were a dem doesn't mean you can't change and become something great.

I'm truly sorry for anything that this election cycle may have cost you with your family. No family should ever be that split. My sister and brother in law are solidly Dems, and I know they are going to vote for her, but I love them anyways. Look, I'm not asking you to vote Trump for your family, or for any other reason other than he's really a very smart man that we (as a Country) have a *chance* of surviving the next 4 or 8 years with. We already know that if HRC gets in we will have more national debt, we will probably lose our 2nd amendment rights, the sky will fall, and they will take our beer!!!... Are you listening to me????!!!! Seriously though, just vote for the person that you think will hurt our precious Country the least. To me, that person is Trump. Not that I really like him, but because I KNOW, deep down inside, that he's better than crooked Hillary.

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Hillary

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Ferm - I share your concerns. To your question "What's the difference", the huge difference is that he actually has executive experience - lots of it and seemingly quite successful. I think there's a lot to that. Obama got elected with a resume that wouldn't have qualified him to manage a small gas station and I don't think Hillary has much more executive experience than he did - she certainly hasn't got a minute fraction of Trump's experience. Then, of course there's the lying and the pantsuits.

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[THEFERMANATOR]

I will say I stayed up last night to watch the rerun of Hannity's show where they showed Trump's speech last night in Wisconsin. They said it was his 1st speech with a teleprompter, and it was a completely different Trump. You could tell he winged some of it, but with a prompter he actually had direction to his words instead of just bouncing off the walls. And I'll be the 1st to admit how hard it is to just speak without notes and stay on track, so I don'thold that against him. If he had done this from the get go, this would be a different race right now. Hopefully he finds some better writers(the speech last night was to much ethnic pandering for votes imo), but if he keeps that up, he has a real shot at winning.

As to hillary, I would like to hear some HONEST reasons how people could justify voting for her. Were all entitled to our own opinions, but I personnally cannot see how anybody could vote for her with everything thats happenned.

[bradford]

Neither one has ever cut their own grass.