2014 it Happened

[Destroyer]

Welcome back Spoggy.... Much better post. Backed up with references to your claim, etc. Bravo

As to the subject matter at hand... well, I'm not a tax expert, and at 99,000+ pages long for the tax code, I truly doubt that anyone is. It's designed to be confusing deliberately. Anyway, I'm not going to comment on Willy's stats or Spoggy's rebuttal... I WILL however simply say that as it stands right now the taxes are just too damned high. Don't forget that you're only talking about "some" of the federal and state taxes... when you add in sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes and all the hidden taxes in everything from your phone to the drink in the local Bistro you're already paying far more than you used to... and they are constantly going up as each crooked politician needs more money to pay out as bribes to the people that are keeping him or her in office. I am really starting to think that the people of France, during their revolution, had the correct idea for their crooked politicians.

[cterrebonne]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Welcome back Spoggy.... Much better post. Backed up with references to your claim, etc. Bravo

As to the subject matter at hand... well, I'm not a tax expert, and at 99,000+ pages long for the tax code, I truly doubt that anyone is. It's designed to be confusing deliberately. Anyway, I'm not going to comment on Willy's stats or Spoggy's rebuttal... I WILL however simply say that as it stands right now the taxes are just too damned high. Don't forget that you're only talking about "some" of the federal and state taxes... when you add in sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes and all the hidden taxes in everything from your phone to the drink in the local Bistro you're already paying far more than you used to... and they are constantly going up as each crooked politician needs more money to pay out to as bribes to the people that are keeping him or her in office. I am really starting to think that the people of France, during their revolution, had the correct idea for their crooked politicians.

good post, just add up how much you pay in all taxes on everything you do. It's very high.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Just remember that everybody says we should raise taxes on corporations so we can lower taxes on people. I guess they forget that the PEOPLE are STILL paying the SAME taxes, it just comes in at a sooner stage. And with the higher taxes BEFORE the consumer, it actually ends up costing the people MORE because those added taxes get added on to the things we need and buy sooner and get taxed through more hands than it would if it were just taxed at the end. If you really sat down and added up what you ACTUALLY pay in taxes, most would cry. You get taxed when you make it, taxed when you spend it, taxed when it's made, taxed when it's transported, taxed everytime it changes hands, and if the item is big enough it's taxed when it's resold. Then of course some things are taxed to be disposed of, taxed to be recycled, and then taxed when the cycle starts all over again.

[spareparts]

The ACA was written by the insurance industry under the guise of being affordable,my big fear is during the next administration, what ever party it may be, there will be an excuse to "Fix" the ACA by rewriting it, again the insurance agency will write the rules to their own game. i see the existing issue and no cap on payouts being the first to go. For that reason, my daughters insurance coverage will not be changed to any other company or plan. I'm hedging my bet on this one. can you imagine how many people will have their insurance canceled if this happens?

[spoggy]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

Just remember that everybody says we should raise taxes on corporations so we can lower taxes on people. I guess they forget that the PEOPLE are STILL paying the SAME taxes, it just comes in at a sooner stage...

Kudos to you sir! You are one of the few people that I have known of that understands, People pay taxes, not corporations.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by spoggy

Kudos to you sir! You are one of the few people that I have known of that understands, People pay taxes, not corporations.

And that in lies a HUGE problem with many people today. To many people think if we raise taxes on business's, that there taxes can be lowered and the problem is solved. They just cannot fathom that they STILL pay the taxes. Those corporations simply charge more to offset the added taxes and fees. And when the taxes and fees go to high, they move overseas to cut costs, and those peopel wanting higher taxes on business's wonder why they left.

[spoggy]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Welcome back Spoggy.... Much better post. Backed up with references to your claim, etc. Bravo

As to the subject matter at hand... well, I'm not a tax expert, and at 99,000+ pages long for the tax code, I truly doubt that anyone is. It's designed to be confusing deliberately. Anyway, I'm not going to comment on Willy's stats or Spoggy's rebuttal... I WILL however simply say that as it stands right now the taxes are just too damned high. Don't forget that you're only talking about "some" of the federal and state taxes... when you add in sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes and all the hidden taxes in everything from your phone to the drink in the local Bistro you're already paying far more than you used to... and they are constantly going up as each crooked politician needs more money to pay out to as bribes to the people that are keeping him or her in office. I am really starting to think that the people of France, during their revolution, had the correct idea for their crooked politicians.

See! You can teach an old dog new tricks. Will not debate that we pay too much in taxes, I am in agreement.