2014 it Happened

[spareparts]

I'll be the first to tell you that insurance is cheaper than my daughters hospital bills, so I'm not complaining about the cost, but I will tell you thanks to Obama care, insurance on me and my two daughters went up $250 per month to almost $1000 per month, if my wife was on our policy, it would go up an additional $700 per month. Thats with a $2500 deductible on my kids and a $5000 deductible on me.This is the largest single expense my family endures each month. The way I look at it, if you voted for Obama, you owe me, i take cash, check and paypal

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by spareparts

I'll be the first to tell you that insurance is cheaper than my daughters hospital bills, so I'm not complaining about the cost, but I will tell you thanks to Obama care, insurance on me and my two daughters went up $250 per month to almost $1000 per month, if my wife was on our policy, it would go up an additional $700 per month. Thats with a $2500 deductible on my kids and a $5000 deductible on me.This is the largest single expense my family endures each month. The way I look at it, if you voted for Obama, you owe me, i take cash, check and paypal

Same here. Insurance is cheaper than hospital bills if you have to use it, but insurance is what is most peoples single biggest expense. Me and my son cost right at $500 a month for a basic policy. I wish the ocare plan addressed the actual issues, but yet again it completely missed it. And now I feel like yet again, were being punished for trying to look out for ourselves and planning for the what if.

[RWilson2526]

Sorry Willy, I'm calling BS on your facts again.

http://www.atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-a6996

[ssiredfish]

Originally Posted by spareparts

I'll be the first to tell you that insurance is cheaper than my daughters hospital bills, so I'm not complaining about the cost, but I will tell you thanks to Obama care, insurance on me and my two daughters went up $250 per month to almost $1000 per month, if my wife was on our policy, it would go up an additional $700 per month. Thats with a $2500 deductible on my kids and a $5000 deductible on me.This is the largest single expense my family endures each month. The way I look at it, if you voted for Obama, you owe me, i take cash, check and paypal

Here, here!!!

I am at a whoopin $1500/mth without my newborn son on our policy. That rate is locked until next year when Ive been told it may or may not go up another 20%. I could very well be paying close to 2k by the end of 2015.......Thats sooo F'n retarded I can't even explain it and YES it will be MORE THAN MY MORTAGE AT THAT POINT!!!!!!!! Worse part is we have no Diabetes, Disease or any other prominant illness in my family and we are all under 35.

[Destroyer]

Welcome back Spoggy.... Much better post. Backed up with references to your claim, etc. Bravo

As to the subject matter at hand... well, I'm not a tax expert, and at 99,000+ pages long for the tax code, I truly doubt that anyone is. It's designed to be confusing deliberately. Anyway, I'm not going to comment on Willy's stats or Spoggy's rebuttal... I WILL however simply say that as it stands right now the taxes are just too damned high. Don't forget that you're only talking about "some" of the federal and state taxes... when you add in sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes and all the hidden taxes in everything from your phone to the drink in the local Bistro you're already paying far more than you used to... and they are constantly going up as each crooked politician needs more money to pay out as bribes to the people that are keeping him or her in office. I am really starting to think that the people of France, during their revolution, had the correct idea for their crooked politicians.

[cterrebonne]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Welcome back Spoggy.... Much better post. Backed up with references to your claim, etc. Bravo

As to the subject matter at hand... well, I'm not a tax expert, and at 99,000+ pages long for the tax code, I truly doubt that anyone is. It's designed to be confusing deliberately. Anyway, I'm not going to comment on Willy's stats or Spoggy's rebuttal... I WILL however simply say that as it stands right now the taxes are just too damned high. Don't forget that you're only talking about "some" of the federal and state taxes... when you add in sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes and all the hidden taxes in everything from your phone to the drink in the local Bistro you're already paying far more than you used to... and they are constantly going up as each crooked politician needs more money to pay out to as bribes to the people that are keeping him or her in office. I am really starting to think that the people of France, during their revolution, had the correct idea for their crooked politicians.

good post, just add up how much you pay in all taxes on everything you do. It's very high.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Just remember that everybody says we should raise taxes on corporations so we can lower taxes on people. I guess they forget that the PEOPLE are STILL paying the SAME taxes, it just comes in at a sooner stage. And with the higher taxes BEFORE the consumer, it actually ends up costing the people MORE because those added taxes get added on to the things we need and buy sooner and get taxed through more hands than it would if it were just taxed at the end. If you really sat down and added up what you ACTUALLY pay in taxes, most would cry. You get taxed when you make it, taxed when you spend it, taxed when it's made, taxed when it's transported, taxed everytime it changes hands, and if the item is big enough it's taxed when it's resold. Then of course some things are taxed to be disposed of, taxed to be recycled, and then taxed when the cycle starts all over again.

[spareparts]

The ACA was written by the insurance industry under the guise of being affordable,my big fear is during the next administration, what ever party it may be, there will be an excuse to "Fix" the ACA by rewriting it, again the insurance agency will write the rules to their own game. i see the existing issue and no cap on payouts being the first to go. For that reason, my daughters insurance coverage will not be changed to any other company or plan. I'm hedging my bet on this one. can you imagine how many people will have their insurance canceled if this happens?

[spoggy]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

Just remember that everybody says we should raise taxes on corporations so we can lower taxes on people. I guess they forget that the PEOPLE are STILL paying the SAME taxes, it just comes in at a sooner stage...

Kudos to you sir! You are one of the few people that I have known of that understands, People pay taxes, not corporations.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by spoggy

Kudos to you sir! You are one of the few people that I have known of that understands, People pay taxes, not corporations.

And that in lies a HUGE problem with many people today. To many people think if we raise taxes on business's, that there taxes can be lowered and the problem is solved. They just cannot fathom that they STILL pay the taxes. Those corporations simply charge more to offset the added taxes and fees. And when the taxes and fees go to high, they move overseas to cut costs, and those peopel wanting higher taxes on business's wonder why they left.