How's that "Hope and Change" working?

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spoggy

I actually like the guy. It's hard to get anywhere with the whole GOP riding your donkey.

Ummm.. so exactly how does that explain how, during his first year 2 years as president, when he had a democratic super majority in both the house and senate and could have passed ANYTHING that he passed nothing?

You should thank God that the GOP ....yes, even the RINO ones, are blocking his attempts to "fundamentally transform" America.

He and his administration have broken the law more times than ANY other president. A small sample are:

1) Obama Administration uses IRS to target conservative, Christian and pro-Israel organizations, donors, and citizens.

2) Obama has refused to enforce long-established U.S. immigration laws. For example, more than 300,000 captured illegal aliens had been processed and were awaiting deportation. Obama stopped these deportations in violation of law.

3) Congress rejected Obama's DREAM ACT – which would have granted permanent residency to many illegal aliens. So Obama enacted his own version of the DREAM ACT by Executive Order, thus directly defying Congress.

4) Obama has refused to build a double-barrier security fence along the U.S.-Mexican border in direct violation of the 2006 Secure Fence Act.

5) Obama issued, in one day, 21 separate Executive Orders that attack and undermine your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Especially bad are Obama's Executive Orders amending the Obama-care law to allow doctors and hospitals to investigate which patients own a gun. This Executive Order could allow the federal government to track and monitor law-abiding gun owners simply because they sought medical care.

6) Obama's assault on Christians and religious freedom. Obama's Health and Human Services Department has, on its own (without Congressional approval), issued a mandate that all health insurance plans must include coverage for abortion-inducing drugs. As a result, pro-life employers and taxpayers are now effectively required by law to pay for abortions.
This mandate is an unconstitutional attack on the protections for freedom of religion and freedom of conscience in the First Amendment and the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act. It also directly violates the Obama-care law which prohibits any taxpayer funds from being used to pay for abortions.

7) Obama forced Obama-care on an unwilling public through bribery and lying about its cost. Obama managed to secure passage of Obama-care by one vote in the Senate by bribing senators. In addition, Obama knowingly and blatantly lied to America and to Congress about how much Obama-care would really cost. The cost of Obama-care to the American people over the next 10 years will not be less than $1 TRILLION, as Obama promised in his nationally televised speech to the nation. Instead, the real cost of Obama-care to the Federal Treasury is $2.4 TRILLION, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. But the true cost of Obama-care is more like $10 TRILLION when you factor in the cost to the states, the cost to individual Americans who are now required to purchase Obama-approved health plans (the "Individual Mandate"), the cost of exploding health insurance premiums, the $716 billion Obama-care steals from Medicare, and the increased cost to businesses of complying with Obama-care mandates.

8) "Operation Fast & Furious" was the Obama Administration's gun-running scheme that put thousands of American-made semi-automatic weapons in the hands of Mexican drug cartels and resulted in the death of at least one U.S. Border Patrol Agent, Brian Terry. Congress has now held Holder in contempt for defying congressional subpoenas and refusing to turn over thousands of Justice Department documents on Fast & Furious. President Obama asserted Executive Privilege to try to protect Holder. But for Executive Privilege to apply, Obama would have had to have known about Fast & Furious, making the President as culpable as Holder.
Investigators suspect that Fast & Furious was an effort by the Obama Administration to discredit lawful gun ownership in America by purposefully creating gun crimes, thus inducing public outcry for gun control. When it put thousands of semi-automatic weapons in the hands of Mexican drug cartels, the Obama Justice Department knew these guns would be used to commit crimes, perhaps even kill some Americans. Then Obama could say: "See how dangerous these guns are. We must ban them."

9) "Federal Communications Commission (FCC): Regulated the Internet despite a court order from the Circuit Court of Appeals for Washington, D.C. stating that the FCC does not have the power to regulate the Internet."

10) "Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): Imposed Cross-State Air Pollution Rules on the state of Texas at the last minute and without an opportunity for Texas to respond to the proposed regulation.

11) "Department of Justice (DOJ): Rejected state voter ID statutes that are similar to those already approved by the Supreme Court of the United States. DOJ ignored section 8 of the Voting Rights Act which calls for protections against voter fraud, and used section 5 to administratively block measures to protect the integrity of elections passed by state legislatures.

12) "DOJ: In violation of 10th Amendment, sued to prevent Arizona from using reasonable measures to discourage illegal immigration within its borders. Arizona has a large number of illegal immigrants, compared to other states, and needs to be able to act to reduce the number.

13) "DOJ: Went to court to stop enforcement of Alabama's immigration reform laws, which require collection of the immigration status of public school students, require businesses to use E-Verify, and prohibit illegal immigrants from receiving public benefits.

14) "White House: Made "recess appointments" to the National Labor Relations Board and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau when Congress was NOT in recess. The Obama Administration has ignored the ruling by the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals that the appointments are unconstitutional."

15) "Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC): Interfered with a Michigan church's selection of its own ministers by trying to force the church to reinstate a minister who was discharged for her disagreement with the religious doctrine of the church.

16) "Department of Energy (DOE): In 2009, the Obama Administration arbitrarily broke federal law, violated various contracts, and derailed the most studied energy project in American history at Yucca Mountain by denying it a license, thus costing the American people more than $31 billion.

17) Department of the Interior (DOI): Forced Glendale, a family-oriented town in Arizona, to become another Las Vegas against its will by granting "reservation status" to a 54-acre plot in the town, where the Tohono O'odham Indian Nation plans to build a resort and casino.

18) Without Congressional approval, Obama gutted the work requirement for welfare recipients passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.

19) In the bailout of General Motors and Chrysler, Obama illegally shortchanged bond holders in favor of Labor Unions, despite U.S. bankruptcy laws that specify that bond holders be first in line to be paid back.

20) Eager to use the killing of Osama bin Laden for political gain, Obama exposed the identity and method of operation of the Navy Seals team that conducted the operation in Pakistan, thus exposing its members to a lifetime of risk because they have been targeted for assassination by Islamist s. A short time after Obama exposed the Navy Seals' method of operation, 22 SEALs were shot down and killed in Afghanistan. It is a violation of law for the President or any American to reveal classified military secrets.

21) President Obama established an extra-constitutional top secret "kill list" of people (including Americans) who can be summarily killed on sight – presumably by drones -- without due process.

22) Obama Administration officials twisted the arms of defense contractors to not issue layoff notices in October of 2012 so as to avoid causing bad news for Obama right before the election — even though federal law (the "WARN Act") requires such notices. ; Not only is this a violation of the WARN Act, it's also an unlawful use of federal officials for campaign purposes.

23) Obama intervened militarily in Libya in 2011 without the Congressional approval required by the War Powers Act.

24) Obama knowingly lied to Congress and the American people about the killing of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi, Libya. The President and his representatives repeatedly said an anti-Islamic video sparked a spontaneous uprising in Libya that resulted in the killings even though Obama knew that the attack was a well-planned military-style assault by al Qaeda on the anniversary of September 11.

25) Michelle Obama's family trip to Africa in June of 2011, including a private safari at a South African game reserve, cost American taxpayers $424,000 for air travel alone.

Oh, and in the conspiracy theory dept, lets not forget that there is still a very real debate over whether or not he is actually an American citizen and should even be allowed to hold office in the first place. The phony "Birth Certificate" that he presented has been shown to be nothing more than 29 different Photoshop layers. each layer adding in a phony "fact" And the really funny thing about that Hawaii birth cert is that the person that certified it as "real" died in a plane crash once the details of the cover up started to be revealed.

And you like this guy? Sorry, but with all due respect, you need to get your head out of the "sand" and actually start investigating what this piece of crap, this cesspool has been and is doing to your country.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spoggy

Destroyer, I can find as many poor decisions in almost every presidency over the last 100 years. I won't argue with you, you have very strongly held convictions, and I won't try to change your mind. Having said that, I still stand by my statement that "I actually like the guy"

Ummm, no, you cannot. The difference, my friend, is that while other presidents may have made some bad decisions, (no one is perfect after all) nowhere in our history has a president so blatantly flaunted the rule of law on so many occasions. This guy is one step away from becoming a dictator. No other president has issued more Executive Orders than this president, circumnavigating Congress and the Constitution of the United States for his own personal gain or the furthering of his agenda(s).

I actually like snakes. (no, really, I do) Cobras, rattlers, pit vipers, one steppers, copperheads, moccasins, corals, you name it, I like them. But I would be a complete fool to invite them into my house. To me, Obama is far more deadly than any of them, because he is killing the United States. I will not invite him into my home.

FACT: The latest Quinnipiac poll, has voted Obama the worst president in 70 years.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...ii-108507.html
and
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...hows/?page=all

If you want to support this guy, go right ahead. It's your right as an American citizen. (Well, for now at least, until he takes that away also).

[spareparts]

Ok Soggy, I'll play along,I don't know if you are trolling, being sarcastic, making conversation or actually like the guy. So for what reason do you like the guy? Enlighten us? Its always good to hear opposing views to your own

[LESTERUS]

So, Spoogy, years ago you posted this about Obama:

1. Within his first week, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse.

Now, years past our national debt has grown, under Obama's watch, from 8 Trillion, to 18 Trillion dollars, What about that audit about waste and abuse ?, Did he read the report ?
I guess not.....

[bradford]

The game and it's nuances can bite me.

Just got a letter from the health insurance company, my grandfathered plan is no longer available.

I thought I was gonna be able to keep my plan?

Thats what those lying bastards said wasn't it?

I remember some lying bastard saying it over and over on the news/tv/mind control box so it must be fuking true right?

They will let me keep it till the end of the year but will be charging me an additional 90 bucks a month which is still 100 bucks cheaper than any plan I've been able to find elsewhere. I've been pretty much maxed out at what they were charging last year. I'm tired of being a cash cow for these sons of *****es. I've got a $20,000 deductible $10,000 for me, $10,000 for my wife, one can't go towards another I find out, before they have to chip in anything but a doctor check up that I have to pay 50 towards. Don't know the path from here, but do know I'm done. There's more to life than being a slave and paying what could be a mortgage payment to these bastards so other low lifes can suck the whole thing dry. Sitting on their fat asses driving a car or truck 20+ years newer than mine. Done.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Yep, obamas been so good I've had to get on disability just for medicare because we couldnt afford health insurance. You guys can spin it anyway you want, but you can't blame Bush forever. At some point, o is going to have to own this mess. All he's done is throw money at the fire to keep it burning, but eventually we'll run out of money to throw at it, and when it goes out, we'll have a real mess.

[Pipe_Dream]

Goodness knows there is plenty of blame to go around amongst both Democrats and Republicans. Neither side wants to sincerely address the debt. Republicans don't have the will, because it would likely cost them votes. Some Democrats may have that mindset, but a part of me is beginning to believe that many of them want us to go down the road to financial disaster, because ultimately it will give them more power over us. Conspiracy theory? It's pretty commonly known in the insurance business that Obamacare was designed to fail, and be the catalyst for universal health care. Sorry, spoggy, but I'm not buying that they thought they could correct its "issues" afterward in Congress. It was pushed through without adequate review in completely partisan fashion ("we have to pass it to find out what's in it"), and took the SCOTUS' legislating from the bench for it to not be overturned. It is a cluster **** of epic proportions, and as is more often than not the case, those that wrote and passed it are not subject to it. And don't get me started on Ezra Klein.

I hope not to spend too much time politic-ing here, as this is one of the few forums I visit where it doesn't come up much. But, when in Rome...

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spoggy

So, I've really tried to stay out of this particular forum, because I know I'm in the minority. I hear and understand that everyone is pissed at the current situation, and I have two more points to make.

First, our government consists of 3 branches, the legislative, judicial and executive. Any ONE branch can act as a check to the other two. Obama cannot act in a vacuum. If congress doesn't like his wielding of the executive pen, they can craft law to defeat his efforts. Please bear this in mind. Congress can stop Obama if they choose to.

Second, and many of you wont like this, so I'll apologize first. My wife works in government relations for one of the top five health care systems in the United States. She drafted portions of the ACA with respect to reimbursement. People in Washington knew there would be issues with the ACA when it was passed, but the intent was to modify it by law through congress. The republicans gained control, and in an effort to repeal the ACA and get support for doing so from the public, have blocked every bill that would improve the ACA and relieve some of the financial burden of those insured. Let me make this clear, the republicans are blocking legislation that would make the ACA easier and cheaper to use so they can get enough support to repeal it. In the meantime, it's you folks that suffer for the stiff necks in Washington.

Oh please. DO NOT insult our intelligence with dribble and spin like this. Fact. Obamacare was passed in the dead of night by the DEMOCRATS under the guidance of Pelossi and Reid.
Fact. The cost of health insurance for most people just about DOUBLED as soon as it passed.
Fact. That BS about the Republicans blocking every bill is just pure bull. BOTH parties have blocked bills from the other side. The Democrats (who passed this TAX in the first place) are just as guilty as the Republicans, if not more so since they passed this piece of $HIT bill on the American public in the first place!

The government has NO BUSINESS being in health care in the first place! This whole ACA was nothing more than an (unfortunately successful) attempt on the part of the federal government to be able to exert more power over us. (It now controls our money, our food and our medical. Don't tell me that we are free... we're on the path to a dictatorship the likes of which we've never seen. As soon as they take away our guns [One of Hillarys objectives] we're just meat ready to be cut up on the Progressives carving table) And the ONLY way they were able to get this POS bill passed was for the SCOTUS to declare it a TAX (even though the Dems had lied and declared time and time again that it wasn't) Although I cannot prove it, I still think that someone got to that traitor Roberts, who changed his opinion and invented out of whole cloth a new definition of taxation that contravenes long-standing precedent. He added hundreds of billions of dollars to the federal deficit, by way of his Medicaid ruling. And he forever tarnished his legacy as a Justice, and his promise to the nation that "he would serve as an umpire, and remember that it's my job to call balls and strikes, and not to pitch or bat".
But that's just my opinion, and as I said, I cannot prove it. But what I DO KNOW is that since this bill was passed people have had their MANDATED health insurance become an Albatross around their necks, putting them in financial ruin, forcing them to work 2 and 3 jobs just to pay for it. This is NOT what our government is supposed to do to it's citizens. and if anyone is so blind that they cannot see who is directly responsible for this in the first place, ... well, frankly I feel sorry for them because they cannot see past the smoke screen of spin that is in front of them. And now they are trying to elect a thoroughly corrupt politician that belongs in jail, is a liar, very likely a thief and perhaps a murderer. And this is the best they could come up with? That tells you a lot about their party. But I digress.. Obamacare has been a disaster that has cost American taxpayers trillions of dollars in unnecessary costs. Blaming it on the Republicans is just another spin job. It was Democrats that passed it. Period. Anything more than that is just smoke and mirrors spin.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spoggy

Is it fair to blame any President for events over which he had no control?

Why don't you ask Obama? He's been blaming President Bush for everything for the past 8 years.

[bradford]

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