Govt. Shutdown

[SkunkBoat]

In our country, we pass a bill in the house and senate, it gets signed by the president and it becomes law. If the law violates the constitution, the supreme court can strike it down. If it holds up, then it is the law. Period.

If you don't like it then you need to pass a new bill that says "never mind" in the house and senate and have it signed by the president. PERIOD.

This applies to all laws whether they were passed and/or signed by a Democrat or Republican. We can't let a handful of idiots change the way we do things. This time they are republican idiots. Next time it could be democratic idiots. and the next time and the next time.

You lost. Accept it and go about getting your side elected so you can change it.
And start doing your job in the mean time. There have been House and Senate budgets since spring that have not gone to a committee to get hashed out. If you did your job negotiating the best you can get, WE WOULD NOT NEED A CONTINUING RESOLUTION.

OH!!! RABBLE RABBLE!!!

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat

In our country, we pass a bill in the house and senate, it gets signed by the president and it becomes law. If the law violates the constitution, the supreme court can strike it down. If it holds up, then it is the law. Period.

If you don't like it then you need to pass a new bill that says "never mind" in the house and senate and have it signed by the president. PERIOD.

This applies to all laws whether they were passed and/or signed by a Democrat or Republican. We can't let a handful of idiots change the way we do things. This time they are republican idiots. Next time it could be democratic idiots. and the next time and the next time.

You lost. Accept it and go about getting your side elected so you can change it.
And start doing your job in the mean time. There have been House and Senate budgets since spring that have not gone to a committee to get hashed out. If you did your job negotiating the best you can get, WE WOULD NOT NEED A CONTINUING RESOLUTION.

OH!!! RABBLE RABBLE!!!

HUH?? Translate into coherent English please.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat

In our country, we pass a bill in the house and senate, it gets signed by the president and it becomes law. If the law violates the constitution, the supreme court can strike it down. If it holds up, then it is the law. Period.

Agreed! (Unless of course one of the Supreme Court guys gets paid off to make a change in the bill and call it something that even the WRITERS OF THE BILL said it wasn't!!... You know, like calling something a tax when it was strictly stated by the writers that it wasn't ....stuff like that).

If you don't like it then you need to pass a new bill that says "never mind" in the house and senate and have it signed by the president. PERIOD.

Or defund it to protect the citizens of this country from something so egregious that it simply defies description. Since Congress has, by law and definition, control of the Country's purse, what we are seeing is simply an exercise of those laws.

This applies to all laws whether they were passed and/or signed by a Democrat or Republican. We can't let a handful of idiots change the way we do things. This time they are republican idiots. Next time it could be democratic idiots. and the next time and the next time.

Well, Republicans didn't pass Obamacare, it was forced on them just like it was forced on the rest of the Country. They are simply trying to stop it. So this time it's Democrat idiots, but in principle I agree with you.

You lost. Accept it and go about getting your side elected so you can change it.

God, do you have any idea how tired I am of hearing that silly statement?
Like it's the battle cry of the Democrats. "You lost.. accept it"
NO MY FRIEND, I didn't lose. THE COUNTRY LOST WHEN A BUNCH OF GREEDY, MISINFORMED AND UNINFORMED PEOPLE, that thought they were going to get something for nothing, elected this SOCIALIST to the White House. One whose AVOWED objective is to "FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE" America. WE ALL LOST!!!!

And start doing your job in the mean time. There have been House and Senate budgets since spring that have not gone to a committee to get hashed out. If you did your job negotiating the best you can get, WE WOULD NOT NEED A CONTINUING RESOLUTION.

My job? I'm DOING my job. I'm pointing out the truth to uninformed and misinformed people. If they don't want to listen, there's not much I can do about that except to keep trying.
Oh, and for the record, the DEMOCRAT controlled Senate, that is REQUIRED by law to pass a budget every year, (and because of their majority has the power to override any opposition from the Republicans), has not passed a budget since Obama came into office 5 YEARS ago. In fact, in 2012 the Democratically controlled Senate, by a vote of 99 - 0, voted down Obama's proposed budget. At the same time, the Senate also voted on four Republican budget proposal/blueprints, which were all defeated. There's the reason for your continuing resolution. So why don't you do YOUR job and write them and DEMAND that they do their job???!!!

OH!!! RABBLE RABBLE!!!
Still not sure what you mean by that.. ...but ...oh well...

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[RidgeRunner]

Skunk Boat Not the Republicans fault IMO. Thomas Sowell has it right: http://townhall.com/columnists/thoma...6292/page/full

Hard to argue with the facts. Appropriations is full-on the House of Representatives responsibility. They passed a bill to keep goverment running in case nobody noticed, apparently Harry didn't. For someone with a degree in History/Constitution you would think Obama would have forseen this little hiccup. Truth is even though it once garnered a lot of support, as time goes on people have shifted their support from national healthcare to other things like jobs and the economy. Talk about a prolonged recession, 7 years. At what point do the Dems quit blaming GWB as their excuse for a crap economy?

Destroyer, I appreciate the comments from Glen Beck, not my favorite talking head. The president has failed to introduce a budget, (his responsibility as sitting president), five years running no less? Doesn't that small fact concern anyone? Wouldn't he have already been fired if he worked in the private sector?
I had already heard from another source what pricks National Park Service was being about the closed down farm in VA. Hurt the working man is the goal and mantra of the Democrats. They want us to feel it.
I can assure you that they don't have enough government to prevent me from going fishing. What was Glenn Beck talking about? Closing fishing in the keys? Good luck there. Rum soaked Conch Republic will tell you where and how often to go fornicate yourself. If I recall correctly it wouldn't be the first time either.
For any liberal/progressive/socialist/commie out there that claim that the rednecks are clinging to our guns a little too tight. I say not too tight, just right. This is exactly WHY the Second Amendment is so damn important. I will not be dictated to, I am sure others feel the same. Too many good men and women died for the freedom that our govt. is attempting to take away with the stroke of a pen.
I personally feel Obamacare will fail without any help from the Republicans. I have tested the numbers and it just does not add up. Poor working class man doesn't have an extra 10% to throw at health care. It just isn't affordable. Bronze coverage is 60/40? So you just bankrupted the working poor with the health care mandate? Giant premiums, giant out of pocket co-pays if you use the system and god forbid you have anything major necessary because the prices are still going up and you are not going to have access when and where you need it because there will still be tens of millions of illegals milking the system without the first nickel of contributions. Tens of millions more on welfare that don't contribute a nickel to the system either. Where are the additional doctors? Has noone seen this through? They need to start acting a little nicer to me as I am still a contributor. Instead they want to make me suffer. Who wants to make me suffer? Obama and the Dems.
I know there are some people suffering due to lack of insurability, I am not without a heart. something needs to be done. The mandate rubs me wrong and aside from "a pre-existing condition" just doesn't fix much of anything..

[bradford]

Skimmed through a few of these, can't attest to authenticity. If nothing else it's probably worse any way.



FEDS TRY TO CLOSE THE OCEAN BECAUSE OF SHUTDOWN

http://12160.info/page/feds-try-to-c...se-of-shutdown

Police prevent drivers from pulling over and viewing Mt. Rushmore

http://12160.info/page/unbelievable-police-prevent-drivers-from-pulling-over-and-viewing


Obama's Park Service Goons Force Private Property Owners From Lake Homes

http://12160.info/page/first-ocean-now-lakes-obama-s-park-service-goons-force-private-pr


Park Ranger admits being told to make life as difficult for people as possible
http://ning.it/1f8W1dq


Feds Won’t Investigate Worker’s Death In An Ongoing Subway Project Due To “Shutdown”


National Park rangers ordered to keep visitors out of privately run businesses

Outrage: Government Forces Homeowners To Leave Private Residences Amid Shutdown

Obama Shuts Down Amber Alert Website While Michelle Obama’s Let’s Move Website Stays Open

US Shutdown a Smokescreen for Assault on Social Security, Medicare


Shutdown forces owners to leave Lake Mead homes


Feds Spare No Expense to Close Popular Tourist Sites


Forget the government shutdown – it’s about shutting YOU down –


http://www.thedailysheeple.com/forge...ou-down_102013

FDA and EPA are Victims of the Government Shutdown – Is This Supposed to be a Bad Thing?


“Never Forget This Moment. This is how Barack Obama Acts, When Challenged or Resisted.”

[Destroyer]

Thank you RidgeRunner and Bradford

[Destroyer]

What RidgeRunner was referring to with his link to Thomas Sowell is herewith reprinted. I felt it was so necessary for people to actually see and read this that I didn't want to leave it to chance that the site would take it down or that it would suddenly mysteriously disappear. This is the text that Ridge referenced, and is so overwhelming.

Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.

There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going -- except for ObamaCare.

This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.

As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.

Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.

ObamaCare is indeed "the law of the land," as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.

But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.

The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies -- unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.

Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who -- if anybody -- "wants to shut down the government." But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.

The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a "clean" bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word "clean" like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?

If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.

You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.

When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of "legislation by appropriation" as it used to be called.

Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.

Perhaps the biggest of the big lies is that the government will not be able to pay what it owes on the national debt, creating a danger of default. Tax money keeps coming into the Treasury during the shutdown, and it vastly exceeds the interest that has to be paid on the national debt.

Even if the debt ceiling is not lifted, that only means that government is not allowed to run up new debt. But that does not mean that it is unable to pay the interest on existing debt.

None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out -- and articulation has never been their strong suit -- the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose.

[RidgeRunner]

Thanks Destroyer.
And to add to the sentiment that the closure of government is nothing NEW:
A record set by the Democrats back in 1981- by House Speaker Tip O'neil who shut down the government 8 times in 8 years over various topics. MX missile funding, abortion funding by Medicaid, etc.

All shutdowns listed here: http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/0...ment-shutdowns What it accomplished Then was to get President Reagan to conceed a little of the ground he gained to his teammate on the other side. He managed to reach across the isle and in doing so came to some resolution.
Today there seems to be a lack of cooperation like we have never seen. The President and Senate leader Reid are saying it is "Our Way or the Highway". If we could only send them down that "highway", but I digress. Remember, the Republicans funded the Government Operations in full, less Obamacare..
A look back and explaination from a guy who lived it then and a comparison to what is happening today.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...ing-resolution